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Pity TV3 didn't show the tackles on Colin P and Woods just so that people won't think Shels were hard done by having one guy sent off...
I was telling me flatmate about the tackles so i was disapointed not to see them. they didn't pick up on georges little dive either.
btw me flatmate was laughing at the highlights package. in his view the qualaity of the goals was justification to him on the poverty of the fooball in EL
Troy.McClure
04/12/2002, 10:08 AM
Originally posted by dalo
btw me flatmate was laughing at the highlights package. in his view the qualaity of the goals was justification to him on the poverty of the fooball in EL
Well to be fair, he has a point... especially when you compair them to Forlans first cracker against Liverpool over the weekend. Poor old Dudek hadn't a chance! :D :rolleyes: :o
Gone Away
04/12/2002, 10:52 AM
Originally posted by dalo
btw me flatmate was laughing at the highlights package. in his view the qualaity of the goals was justification to him on the poverty of the fooball in EL
What do you mean? That the highlights arent good enough?
If thats what he meant f**k him. After all one has to be able to walk before they can run, and TV3 are doing a bang up job considering it is a brand new show!
eoinh
04/12/2002, 12:17 PM
i know a guy at work who has lived in Barcelona, Milan and Munich. He never went to a match in any of these cities. Paid a few hundred euro recently to fly over to england to see Totenham. Hes a Liverpool "fan" btw. (The Liverpool of England that is not of Namibia or Uruguay, just in case you're wondering!). The Oirish football going public, ahhh I love them I do.
ENGLISH BASED GOALKEEPERS- THE BEST IN THE WORLD :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
You get ****e played everywhere. Most of the people who say the eL is crap have never been to a game and believe the word of a few gob****es.
Dunno how this thread got so off topic in only a few posts but there goes anyways...
A lot of the neuvo (spelling??) football (they probably call it soccer) fans in this country i'd say only know football as a form of entertainment - these people will probably never actually attend a game anywhere.
Probably best to try attract some of the people who travel to engerland to matches to go to the odd eL game. As the eL improves facilities & style of player i'm sure summer foot.ie will attract these people a lot easier...
Originally posted by Conor74
For me, going to a match is more than just football, it's the craic, the atmosphere, the drink, the smell of curried chips, the buzz, the sway in a terrace, the chants, the opposition fans, the people around you, the identification with players who are like you and not holed up in a flash car with tinted windows, the surge when a goal is scored, the shout of some wit in the crowd...
Exactly Conor, I couldn't have said it better myself.
mmmmmm, curry chips.:D
Last foreign game i saw was Spurs v Sheffield Wednesday around 1997-98 as was visiting London & on a lose end. Ended up 3-2 but was snooze fest as stuck up the top of the side stand (camera side).
Had been to many games in London around the late 80's pre-sky sports & somehow more character & passion in the grounds.
Originally posted by Conor74
Truth be told, I was one of those guys who paid a fortune to go to England. And I have been lucky enough to see some cracking games (Man City 3 Newcastle 3 - brilliant fans, Coventry 3 Leeds 4) with great players and fine football. But it's gotten more and more sterile. Elland Road used to be explosive, now it's like a library. Perhaps the lower leagues in England have retained the atmosphere (though some like Cardiff and Milwall have associated atmosphere with violence). And I would watch English football on tv alright.
But as soon as I went back to the eircom League and especially nighttime games at Turner's Cross I was hooked and I won't be shelling out to go back to any games across the water again. Ultimately, I thought I was passionate about Leeds United, but then I sat back and realised that it is so difficult to identify with an English club in an English league, you're scraping around for reasons like how proud you were of John Giles or Robbie Keane or Gary Kelly- it's kind of senseless really. Yorkshire is a great place and I've met some great fans of that club and decent people. But it's not my place, Munster is, Ireland is. And those people, while really nice, have a different background, were exposed to different things, have a different sense of humour and approach to life. I just feel more comfortable watching a Damien Richardson garble on about Irish football, then seeing three figures in a London studio break down a movement into computerised sequences.
English football is reduced to being ejected for standing or swearing, the "you're not singing any more" repeated ad nauseum, the plastic glasses, the presealed sandwiches, the inability to smoke anywhere, the inability to swear or chant, the police dogs, the hiding of colours in certain areas or pubs, the shelling out of small fortunes to get there and then get stuck with some other Irish guy who spends 4 hours talking about "Man Yoo" and never heard of Johnny Carey etc. That's not football, that's a Sky Sports brand being sold to you for a gross overvalue.
For me, going to a match is more than just football, it's the craic, the atmosphere, the drink, the smell of curried chips, the buzz, the sway in a terrace, the chants, the opposition fans, the people around you, the identification with players who are like you and not holed up in a flash car with tinted windows, the surge when a goal is scored, the shout of some wit in the crowd...
It took a long time for me to cotton on, but at last I have. As the computer game says This IS Football, and I love it.
well done, conor. the best thing anybody has posted here in a long time.
you should send that into the irish times, who knows they might publish it
yeah, spot on conor. i´m fed up of telling people that the quality of the football is not the biggest part of it
Originally posted by Conor74
What? That hockey playing Pimm's drinking Fine Gael loving rag?
I miss the Irish Press.. i´m gonna start callin you dev junior if you don´t stop this :)
If TV3 had better camera cover, alot of EL goals would look just as good as UK Prem - but their lack of resources is a limiting factor that they cannot easily solve.
Think back to the first couple of months of the season and some of the class goals City scored on sunny days...and no TV3 there to let the world see...
yeah, but they don´t have the money, market or resources of sky. At any rate they´re a damn site better than RTEngland and look to be improving all the time. With support from fans they can only get better
Originally posted by Éanna
yeah, spot on conor. i´m fed up of telling people that the quality of the football is not the biggest part of it
Eanna, i wouldn't agree with that im afraid. The biggest turn-off for people is that they think there is no quality.
Although funnily enough those quality conscious fans have no interest in europes greatest league. THe spainish league.
Real ale Madrid
05/12/2002, 9:19 AM
The biggest problem is the lack of consistancy in the matches. Now I go to all of City's home games and the odd away one when I get the chance but it is really hard to drum up a bit of interest. For instance I persuaded a friend of mine to a game recently Longford, and all he got was a cold! Some of the games are very entertainig Bohs and shels and shams but some can still be boring Drogs, Pats and longford. To attract people to the game you need to give them a product they will want to return to and the problem at the moment only some of the games are relaying a possitive image, the antics of the shed kids and the abuse coming from certain sections of the ground is not helping. However things are changing a programmes like TV3 will continue to reverse this negativity in the public eye.
Dricky
05/12/2002, 11:29 AM
Conor 74 pass over the soap boxes.
Dalo through your flat mate out the window, even if you live on the ground floor!!!!
One match in the UK €500.
EL match €6-12aprox.
Your money spend as you want,
I say leave them off.
They will never admit that the most likely have gone to a match in the UK and it was crap boring and uneventful a total waste of money, there the FA cup has become a bit of a joke, never mind the MM cup. You go to a stadium where if your not in the front 15 rows you may as well be watching sebuteo at home because that is closer to scale compared to what you would see. No pop star on the el teams bar JAAAAAYSOOON SHERRLICK !!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have seen more exciting el matches then uk matches and I'd watch footie any place anywhere.
Those fans are not footie fans, the Orish footie fans.
Four Jumpers on the ground and a squashed up tin a few of the lads and I'd find that more exciting than last weeks Liverpool .v.Manu.
What skill is there involved in running around a pitch chasing a ball, with the top few being good and the others trying to break there legs, where are the Cryuffs, Van Bastens, Zicos Peles Maradonas, there gone, its the players that are remembered not the teams, its their skill with a ball not who they played for. So follow a team that you will never forget
Follow football because you love it, and when CCFC are playing in Europe enjoy being able to get your ticket and go to see them abroad and at home, enjoy the craic the atmosphere and the chips and remember you can't play football in an armchair.
We know the EL team can produce matches from heaven, some of the CCFC have me and friends still talking about it, remember CCFC v Galatarery and the we should of won, or B Munich and Dave barrys comments, Lausanne and the popcorn, 10-11 thousand at CCFC v Pat, beating Shels to make them lose the title. (just my few as a CCFC fan every team have 'those' matches)
So let them slate our el I say I lose no sleep over it
We have a country full of fans who follow the british game, so what if they say they are the 'real' fans that the others are 'on the band wagon' and that they themselves 'know everything about the game', [B]so what your at a football match not a pub quiz!!!![B] Do you remember when Blackburn won the League, all the fans around the place, all with their brand new tops as the just bought them fresh off the band wagon. where are they now?? or did they change their allegiance.
Leave them be like that, in 5 years time when they all turn around and say 'I've been an el fan all the time the rest are just arm chair fans' just say to them 'who cares I'm here for the love of football not the fashion'
Shed End John
05/12/2002, 11:35 AM
Originally posted by pete
Ended up 3-2 but was snooze fest as stuck up the top of the side stand (camera side).
I can identify with that. Anyone watch the Celtic game on TV last night? You'd have seen better games in the Munster Senior League..........2nd division! Absolute rubbish, and no doubt more to come on Saturday versus Rangers.
Murphy Out Now!!!
Gone Away
05/12/2002, 11:54 AM
If, say, Liverpool Vs Man Unirad had the same excitement as the City Vs Shams game in september, all we would hear about is how this is the best league in the world. Football can be exciting. It can also be mind numbingly boring, be it Real Vs Barca or City Vs Drogs.
What i cant get over is people who wont even give the eL a chance. I was talking to a guy in the pub the other day (he was ashamed to say he is a Villa fan, he asked me, I said City, and you can guess the response), but in the conversation he was referring to the eL as "your league" :rolleyes: .
I would nt watch em if they were out my back garden etc. Lagners.
However, I will say that i enjoy watching the premiership/La Liga. I dont get excited about it, but enjoy none the less. If people want to spend their hard earned bobs on trtavelling to Old Trafford, let em. Its their money, their silliness and ultimately their loss.
Originally posted by SSS
If TV3 had better camera cover, alot of EL goals would look just as good as UK Prem - but their lack of resources is a limiting factor that they cannot easily solve.
It's also up to the clubs to provide the facilities for the Camera's..... Part of the problems with positioning is the clubs fault....
Schumi
05/12/2002, 12:37 PM
Originally posted by Gone Away
I was talking to a guy in the pub the other day (he was ashamed to say he is a Villa fan, he asked me, I said City, and you can guess the response),
The response that pi$$es me off is when someone asks who I support and when I say UCD, they say "No, who do you support in the Premiership?" as if I couldn't really support a club in Ireland.
Originally posted by Schumi
The response that pi$$es me off is when someone asks who I support and when I say UCD, they say "No, who do you support in the Premiership?" as if I couldn't really support a club in Ireland.
I always ask when a someone says they support a english/scottish team or that they are "mad" Man U, Liverpool or Arsenal "fans" is do they go to the games much. the answer is usually NO!!!!
Then I ask them have they gone to many EL games (after they slag it off)- the answer is again NO
Finally do you go to many Irealnd soccer games the answer is again NO!!!!
It's great watching them squirm:D
Is not always about quality... chances or bad refin' can creat a stir...
Been to games in Britain and Ireland. The live game is the only way to go. City are me team but that does not mean I do not follow the exploits of other non-Irish teams.
You get crap games in every league.
Schumi
05/12/2002, 2:58 PM
Originally posted by Conor74
The one thing I forgot in my rant in some thread about what makes Irish football is a good old fashioned scrap.
You'd never know you were from a GAA stronghold.:p
b_mcsweeney
05/12/2002, 3:06 PM
i used to love it when there'd be an incident, a bit of shoving and suddenly derek would appear in the middle of it and everyone used back off him. say what you like, he always looked like a mean b@stard. that and kelvin throwing shapes at all and sundry. class!
Originally posted by b_mcsweeney
i used to love it when there'd be an incident, a bit of shoving and suddenly derek would appear in the middle of it and everyone used back off him.
collar up, cúntona style, he wades in and them dubs just start runnin :)
Dricky
05/12/2002, 3:16 PM
That is what is missing from the CCFC team people to stamp their athority on the game, we need it most in mid field
Originally posted by Dricky
That is what is missing from the CCFC team people to stamp their athority on the game, we need it most in mid field
Greg and Rennie were doing a perfectly god job at that until Gunther, in his infinite wisdom, decided to bring an unfit Grady back in.
Originally posted by Dricky
That is what is missing from the CCFC team people to stamp their athority on the game, we need it most in mid field
what about patsy's stamp on fenlon in the cup final replay in 1998. now that was a stamp of authority.
there was some great scraps in the cross over the years- another great kicking duel was deccie and gilzean in a league game in 1998. deccie went to the line
however some of the best ones were in league season in 1998-1999- the opposition just used to lose the head all the time. that cork team were not to be messed with- now we have the sight of george acting like a fairy every time he gets touched.:confused:
b_mcsweeney
05/12/2002, 4:15 PM
does anyone remember a game, i think it was against dundalk, and a ball that had gone over the wall was kicked back in. so the ref stopped the game and removed the offending ball. it was nil nil at the time and from the drop ball, instead of giving possession to dundalk, herrick played it out wide and city scored from the ensuing cross. dundalk completely lost it, while we were all celebrating. won 2 nil in the end.
there was a spell there where no opposition team seemed to be able to finish a game with 11 players.
Real ale Madrid
05/12/2002, 4:54 PM
Originally posted by b_mcsweeney
does anyone remember a game, i think it was against dundalk, and a ball that had gone over the wall was kicked back in. so the ref stopped the game and removed the offending ball. it was nil nil at the time and from the drop ball, instead of giving possession to dundalk, herrick played it out wide and city scored from the ensuing cross. dundalk completely lost it, while we were all celebrating. won 2 nil in the end.
there was a spell there where no opposition team seemed to be able to finish a game with 11 players.
Remember the game well . Flanagen scored the goal youre talking about and the Dundalk lads didn't like it one bit. Ollie scored a brilliant chip late on anyway. It broke a bad spell of results i remember at the time we couldn't get out of a run a drawn matches and teams were sitting back big time at the X.
You can't judge any league on a few games as you get crap game sin the eL just as much as in the english Premiership.
You could excuse people for watching the english Premiership but why the hell does nayone watch the SPL?????? Saw a bit of that live match last night with tv on in the background & was pure drivel. Wheres the appeal in watching uncompetitive (ok last night Glasgow Celtic scrapped through) game after game with a league basically decided on 4 old firm games. If you have a look at the SPL Premier table you'll see only 2 clubs have a positive goal difference. *LOL*
I know RTE get the SPL for pretty much nothing from BBC but i be amazed if that match last night could match a live eL tv match on a wednesday.
btw footballs entering whatvere the standard once you care about the outcome.
Originally posted by Real ale Madrid
Remember the game well . Flanagen scored the goal youre talking about and the Dundalk lads didn't like it one bit. Ollie scored a brilliant chip late on anyway. It broke a bad spell of results i remember at the time we couldn't get out of a run a drawn matches and teams were sitting back big time at the X.
remember it well- that was revenge for mcnulty and them dirty dundalk shower were going absolutely ape about it :D :D
Counting Crow
07/12/2002, 7:47 PM
I brought an American friend to a few games earlier in the year ( THE game v. Rovers, the Cup replay v. Harps and the Cup Semi Final v. Derry ) - the guy is totally sold.
Unfortunately for him, he is going back to the US in the New Year. He says he will really miss the atmosphere from the City games as he says they don't sing at American sporting event ( just "Go USA" etc ).
I say there is nothing like live football and in particular live games in The Cross. Oh and before anyone asks I have been to games in England. I love football and if I'm in another City I'll try and get to see a game - ( I went to see Galway v Drogs a few years when on hols. for Gods sake ). I don't associate with anyone else but City though.
Get this - he now signs his e-mails @ work "City 'till I die". Classic.
City Hero
07/12/2002, 10:48 PM
Originally posted by b_mcsweeney
there was a spell there where no opposition team seemed to be able to finish a game with 11 players.
Even this season, the visitors to the cross have found it difficult. There have been a fair few red cards at the X.
Get this - he now signs his e-mails @ work "City 'till I die". Classic.
He'll probably be arrested my the FBI are a suicide bomber or something.
:eek:
Troy.McClure
09/12/2002, 3:53 PM
Originally posted by b_mcsweeney
does anyone remember a game, i think it was against dundalk, and a ball that had gone over the wall was kicked back in. so the ref stopped the game and removed the offending ball. it was nil nil at the time and from the drop ball, instead of giving possession to dundalk, herrick played it out wide and city scored from the ensuing cross. dundalk completely lost it, while we were all celebrating. won 2 nil in the end.
there was a spell there where no opposition team seemed to be able to finish a game with 11 players.
Ah them were the days:)
That first goal was fine IMO because City had possion on the 1/2 way line when Herrek played the ball down the wing to a city player in space, then the other ball reappeared and the match was stopped. City got the ball uncontested from the dropball and Herrek played the exact same ball down the wing to the player still in space. Ah, that was one of the sweetest goals for so many reasons :) Ollie's goal was class aswell, but seeing that he is now a Juda$, I'll just say that he mis**** his cross (Which I hind of suspected at the time). Ba$tard :mad:
Oh all of them red cards 'for' us were 2nd yellows for late challenges on Ollie who was prob on the form of his life that season
Originally posted by Troy.McClure
Oh all of them red cards 'for' us were 2nd yellows for late challenges on Ollie who was prob on the form of his life that season
Ollie was on fire that season & most teams had to put two players on him. I think i remember counting the sendings off before & I think Ollie basically singlehandedly got 6 opposition players sent off at the cross that season - most in fact two yellows as well.
:)
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