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win or no win. the man is an idiot. for the good of the club get rid of him now. OUT OUT OUT
No one expects you to change your opinion Eanna, and you probably feel obliged to reiterate it but read Rennie's interview, read the Lennox article in the offical programme & watch the highlights. Even then you won't have the full story of last night.
The team, who many thought were anti-Murphy are strong allies of his now. And the Lennox articale was the strongest endorsement of a manager I have ever read.
The outcome of last night is that LM is further from leaving than he has been for months.
thecorner
30/11/2002, 9:58 AM
what does lennox know about the beautiful game
he should have to stuck to making chips and burgers
Originally posted by thecorner
what does lennox know about the beautiful game
he should have to stuck to making chips and burgers
that's a stupid thing to say. Eanna is right though and eventually Lennox will see that Liam Murphy has taken us as far as he can. Lennox hasn't made his money out of employing idiots. that spells the end for more than one person in the club
IMO the only reason Lennox is sticking with Murphy is either
- he does not have it in him to sack someone associated with the club so long or...
- hes not ready to replace him in the next few months & will wait til the end of 2003 season.
I never thought Murphy was up to much but was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt as results came in plus no obvious replacement. Decisions, Comments & results in the last few weeks have made me realise that Murphy has reached his limit.
Just watch the crowds fall off next year as Murphy continues...
Whatever about releasing him at the end of the season i cannot think of any good reason to basically kick him out of the club in the middle of a "title chase".
:confused:
ccfcman
30/11/2002, 11:03 AM
Originally posted by Éanna
the man is an idiot.
explain that......how exactly is he an idiot?????
You really are a L@nger ccfc Child. A complete moron of the highest order.
If u have been reading this forum, if you have beeen reading the papers you will see why the guy is an idiot. He is not a good manager, never has, never will be ansd if you atre hapopy with mediocrity, then feck off coz u and the likes of you are whats wrong with CCFC.
thecorner
30/11/2002, 2:41 PM
Originally posted by Boom
that's a stupid thing to say. Eanna is right though and eventually Lennox will see that Liam Murphy has taken us as far as he can. Lennox hasn't made his money out of employing idiots. that spells the end for more than one person in the club
HOW CAN U SAY THE MAN DOESNT EMPLOY IDIOTS. WHATIS MURPHY. GOD OR SOMETHING, U STUPID ****
Originally posted by SSS
The team, who many thought were anti-Murphy are strong allies of his now
Appearances can be deceiving. That type of solidarity is a real sign that the end is nigh for Murphy- after all, as i said before, you have to be behind someone to stab them in the back :) he won´t last
Eanna, did you see the goal celebration or hear pre and post match interviews with the players -- if they want to stab LM in the back, they're mighty dishonest.
Originally posted by SSS
Eanna, did you see the goal celebration or hear pre and post match interviews with the players -- if they want to stab LM in the back, they're mighty dishonest.
Well according to your buddy Liam, SSS (are you Noel Spillane btw?), "his players are too honest".
How many players actually went to LM ?
G O'C was the only one I saw hug Murphy, the rest, it seemed to me, followed G O'C.
Am I wrong in thinking this?
Yes Oddboy, you would be wrong to think that. So wrong because you dare question anything that happens within CCFC.
Now, if only you could just be a good boy and blindly follow Liam, accept second best and mediocrity, and not let your opinion be heard, we will all be happy.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Originally posted by ccfcman
explain that......how exactly is he an idiot?????
I dont know whether ccfcman was trying to get at this but, whatever some people think of Gunther as a manager of CCFC I really do think at times attacks on him have been too much of a personal, non-football nature, Im sure well intended as a joke but IMO overboard from time to time.
As a recent convert to the Murphy-Out (well Murphy to Director of Football-role) I know that voicing opposition to Gunther at matches can be done by people who are passionate bout City but at the same time the man afforded some human dignity, for his own sake and the sake of his family.
Originally posted by oddboy
Well according to your buddy Liam, SSS (are you Noel Spillane btw?),
Oddboy, In my first posting after the match on Friday I said anyone who came back with the "LM is disguise" stuff could get lost... What is the point of that...
Oh wait, I'm getting the hang of it now, it's a great way of undermining the other argument..
So here we go
Eanna= Tynan
Oddboy=Kelvin
etc etc ( funnily enough there probably is a former player for every one on this board.)
so all your comments are crap lads coz you're former CCFC players with an axe to grind with LM because he knows you weren't good enough.
James
01/12/2002, 12:10 PM
Originally posted by SSS
The team, who many thought were anti-Murphy are strong allies of his now.
rubbish SSS
the players want murph out
Originally posted by SSS
Oddboy, In my first posting after the match on Friday I said anyone who came back with the "LM is disguise" stuff could get lost... What is the point of that...
Oh wait, I'm getting the hang of it now, it's a great way of undermining the other argument..
1. Where did I accuse you of being LM ?
2. The humourous aside asking you were you Spillane was because your post was like a NS column, i.e. only look at the trees and ignore the wood, as in
Tree = players run to LM, therefore everything OK.
Wood = No matter how many players run to LM, the problems remain.
Spillanes column on Saturday starts with "A result to silence the critics", so in Spillanes logic: City beat Shelbourne so the people who want Murphy out have been proved wrong.
When we were beaten
Rovers 4 - 1 City
UCD 1 - 0 City
Did any of Spillanes columns start off with "A result to silence Murphy's supporters" did it?
3. Are you another of those posters who does not have a sense of humour ?
When City got the lead goal the other night some fella goes to me, "what about Murphy Out now?"
Same guy shouted dogs abuse at everyone when Shels equalised.
I think that most of the Murphy in people are just trying a bit too hard at this point!
Afterall, one win means we will win the league doesnt it.
Murphy out and out now, take deccie with you, maybe patsy and a "marketing" person with you, start your own club and you will have your own supporters.
fonzi
02/12/2002, 11:00 AM
i think firstly we must seperate the idea of Murphy the man and Murphy the manager and the way in which we look at him.
to say murphy is an idiot in a sporting sence is acceptable but on a personal level, i think its a bit far fetched and dillusional.
Dricky
02/12/2002, 12:42 PM
Solidarity Good result etc
Doesn’t change a thing
Murphy out, we are in second place on the merits of other teams not on our own merit.
A good run consists of more than one win, which was at home.
Cork City should be playing consistently both home and away, the only consistency in the away matches is the fact that we play crap away from home, the manager has had all season to fix this and he hasn't therefore there are two people who should be held accountable, BL and LM, BL won't fall on his own sword so that means the chop has to come.
With the home advantage we have we should be top of the table, with the away form we should be relegated.
I see your wedding is public knowledge Conor (well aftewr me posting this it is!!).
But there was a mention of a South Kerry wedding in the programme last friday.
Oh and i wasnt joking about the invites either :D :D :D
Originally posted by Conor74
Objectively, City are turgid to watch. We have been played off the pitch by Bohs, Shamrock Rovers, Longford Town, just about any side when City travelled north of Glanmire etc. etc.
I don't mind the long ball, it can work well for limited players. It brought Ireland to the World stage. It kept Wimbledon in top flight football over the water for a while. But frankly, I don't think we have limited players. I believe that players like Murray, O'Flynn, O'Callaghan, Reynolds, could walk on to teams that play better football than us. There is no reason why Longford Town, who are slipping into relegation trouble, are able to play neater football, while City can only thump the ball forward.
Don't get me wrong, I'd take success before pretty football any day, a strategy that has worked well for Gerard Houllier at Liverpool, but this team might be missing an opportunity to get either.
For me, Murphy isn't the antichrist, and I'm sure he does try hard and is more committed to Cork City than many of us could ever be, but where is the imagination, the tactics, the pattern, the style?
excellant thread conor. you are right city are turgid to watch. they have been for years. it goes back to the days when noel o'mahony was in charge. a lot of mates just laugh when i try to get them go to games
we have talented players but a lot of them do go hiding when things get tough- alan carey, woods, o'callaghan. some are over the hill - daly and others are simply average - bennett. devine is a tad overated in my view while o'flynn (a gem) is plainly not match fit. others like greg, reynolds and o'grady are natural players and natural winners but don't always get the response .
form players around them.
yet why we keep going (or i keep going). it's because we know in our bones we have great potential but it just never happens. sometimes it's the players fault, sometimes it's the managers fault (dave barry to a extent, mountfield, hindmarch, murphy).
I have to admire murphy's spirit and fight in all this and that is why he has been a valuable player and servant to the club. however he would be doing the right thing in stepping down in jan. he can be his worst enemy at times giving ammo to people who probably don't realise the work that goes into running a club.
even murphy should realise he gave it his best shot and did a great job as assitant manager and taking us out of the mess created by DM. we are a lot better in someways than last season
but progession is needed. i am not in favour of seeing him sacked that could create more emity than unity- he is a after all a local man who is more city than any of us.
the guts shown by the city team on friday was great to watch but it ain't going to take us to the top i'm afraid.
Originally posted by SSS
Eanna, did you see the goal celebration or hear pre and post match interviews with the players -- if they want to stab LM in the back, they're mighty dishonest.
No I didn´t- I´m in Spain. It wouldn´t be the first time in recent times that a CCFC manager has been stabbed in the back by his players, Murphy should know that better than anyone seeing as he did F**K all to prevent it happening to his predecessor.
Originally posted by SÓCcfc
I dont know whether ccfcman was trying to get at this but, whatever some people think of Gunther as a manager of CCFC I really do think at times attacks on him have been too much of a personal, non-football nature, Im sure well intended as a joke but IMO overboard from time to time.
As a recent convert to the Murphy-Out (well Murphy to Director of Football-role) I know that voicing opposition to Gunther at matches can be done by people who are passionate bout City but at the same time the man afforded some human dignity, for his own sake and the sake of his family.
fair point SOCCFC- just to clarify the point. When I refer to LM as an idiot, I am referring principally to his abilities as manager: I don´t know the guy, so I have no intention of commenting on his personal life. I don´t agree that Murphy should get personal abuse. but neither should he have told the press that the fans "know nothing about football" or that we were being brainwashed by the media. He is (at least) partly responsible for the fact that this has fgot personal- in insulting the fans, he cast the first stone IMO.
Originally posted by James
rubbish SSS
the players want murph out
Between this and Eanna telling me that I am "totally wrong" I'm feeling a bit hurt here.
Clearly they were trying to suffocate him in the dressing room on Friday when dalo was peeping...
;)
sry SSS
but thems the breaks :)
good idea bout the sufficating thing though
but its something i wouldnt recommend
sufficatiion is not the answer kids
[QUOTE]Originally posted by oddboy
[B]1. Where did I accuse you of being LM ?
Didn't say you did. I referred to the "LM in disguise stuff" - and NS, as we all know, is no better. Whether or not it was humourous ( you forgot the smiley face:) ), such comments are often attached to replies to anyone who dares write anything that questions the Anit LM agenda/position, thus subliminally undermining their view..
Do I have Sense of humour? Apparentlynot. LM is the funniest man alive in my book, with that deadpan look but twinkling eyes giving a clue to the comic genius within.
:rolleyes:
There's the funny thing - I don't particularly support LM, I just question the extremes to which some people are anti LM.
Someday he'll be blamed for the floods in Blackpool...
Originally posted by SSS
There's the funny thing - I don't particularly support LM, I just question the extremes to which some people are anti LM.
Someday he'll be blamed for the floods in Blackpool...
pretty hostile aren't they SSS? having a objective point of view can be a dangerous thing;)
Originally posted by SSS
[QUOTE]Originally posted by oddboy
[B]1. Where did I accuse you of being LM ?
Didn't say you did. I referred to the "LM in disguise stuff" - and NS, as we all know, is no better. Whether or not it was humourous ( you forgot the smiley face:) ), such comments are often attached to replies to anyone who dares write anything that questions the Anit LM agenda/position, thus subliminally undermining their view..
Do I have Sense of humour? Apparentlynot. LM is the funniest man alive in my book, with that deadpan look but twinkling eyes giving a clue to the comic genius within.
:rolleyes:
More looking at trees while not seeing the wood. Yet another post talking about the agenda of other posters while not putting forward anything to rebut the points they make.
Take it easy and learn to take the opinions of others with a little humour. Not everyone is out to get you........or Liam ;)
Gone Away
03/12/2002, 10:46 AM
Originally posted by SSS
There's the funny thing - I don't particularly support LM, I just question the extremes to which some people are anti LM.
Someday he'll be blamed for the floods in Blackpool...
Blame him for flooding the Northside. I think if it is dfown to him he should be given the freedom of the City.
Rotten Northside!!:D :D :D
Exactly what extremes SSS. People have their opinions, and they will be hard to change. Just because people hold up a Murphy Out flag and so on doesnt mean that they are extremists!!!
Originally posted by SSS
There's the funny thing - I don't particularly support LM, I just question the extremes to which some people are anti LM.
Maybe people wouldn´t dislike the guy so much if he hadn´t insulted fans. I was against the guy on the basis of his (lack of) ability to begin with, but after being told that "I knew nothing about football" and that my support for a change in management was because i had been brainwashed by the Echo, I feel perfectly entitled to be (more than) a bit annoyed with LM.
Originally posted by Gone Away
Blame him for flooding the Northside. I think if it is dfown to him he should be given the freedom of the City.
Rotten Northside!!:D :D :D
Exactly what extremes SSS. People have their opinions, and they will be hard to change. Just because people hold up a Murphy Out flag and so on doesnt mean that they are extremists!!!
Just to top it all off lads, I'm a Norrie.....
The extremes I refer to are a complete refusal to give any credence to any occurrence that may in some manner have strengthened LM's position when the events of the last few days clearly have.
How can it be seen to be damaging the club...As far as the wider audience is concerned CCFC is a club in the top 3 of the league, fighting against a couple of fulltime squads with a manager who has received very public support from players and board alike. This is the club that went six or seven home games in a row last season without scoring. Of course the fact that most peole don't see the away performances doesn't help.
Originally posted by SSS
How can it be seen to be damaging the club...As far as the wider audience is concerned CCFC is a club in the top 3 of the league, fighting against a couple of fulltime squads with a manager who has received very public support from players and board alike. This is the club that went six or seven home games in a row last season without scoring. Of course the fact that most peole don't see the away performances doesn't help.
so what you´re basically saying is that, because most people don´t see away games, we shouldn´t talk about them, and should just concentrate on the "positives" of our home form :confused:
Originally posted by Éanna
so what you´re basically saying is that, because most people don´t see away games, we shouldn´t talk about them, and should just concentrate on the "positives" of our home form :confused:
"You are wrong" to quote a once great poster.:)
What I am saying is that the away performances are not a factor in most peoples view of LM because they haven't seen the games and can only judge the team on the home form which is multiples better than last season.
BTW, if Murray's goal against Derry was not wrongly disallowed & Devine stayed on his line against UCD, City would have another three points and be clear second behind a tema who no-one can seem to catch.
It's a thin line...
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