View Full Version : An Example for All eL Clubs
SligoBrewer
20/01/2007, 1:07 PM
if ever there was an example of how to manage money and build up a club here it is (http://www.bbc.co.uk/derby/realmedia/2006/11/ben_robinson_brewers_money.ram)
What is your point though?
SligoBrewer
20/01/2007, 2:03 PM
They NEVER EVER spent outside their means,
and now they have grown from a Dr.Martens League team with a rickety old stadium, to a club who have reached the promised land (3rd round). They have a brand new stadium and are talkin about building a hotel. also are now in contention for promotion to league 2..
I've been saying it for years - eL sides spend too much on wages, until this close season not been foreign clubs queuing up for them.
DmanDmythDledge
21/01/2007, 1:26 PM
They NEVER EVER spent outside their means
Same with UCD, and a few other teams I'm sure. Not a hard concept to grasp.
Réiteoir
21/01/2007, 5:26 PM
They NEVER EVER spent outside their means,
and now they have grown from a Dr.Martens League team with a rickety old stadium, to a club who have reached the promised land (3rd round). They have a brand new stadium and are talkin about building a hotel. also are now in contention for promotion to league 2..
No chance of promotion - Oxford and Dagenham will go up this season - even if one of those don't then York would be the third.
And Burton were absolutely played off the park by Worcester in the FA Trophy a couple of weeks ago - one of the worst teams I've seen this season down at St George's Lane - and I include Hemel Hempsted, Basingstoke and Lancaster City in that
LFC in Exile
21/01/2007, 6:36 PM
Same with UCD, and a few other teams I'm sure. Not a hard concept to grasp.
Yes, but it is hard for other clubs to match UCD's other 'incentives' to players. What other club could attract players by offering scholarships to third level? Wages is just part of it - having UCD's funding for sports clubs - through scholarships particularly is a great leverage for the club.:ball:
gotaroundbetter
21/01/2007, 8:02 PM
Yes, but it is hard for other clubs to match UCD's other 'incentives' to players. What other club could attract players by offering scholarships to third level? Wages is just part of it - having UCD's funding for sports clubs - through scholarships particularly is a great leverage for the club.:ball:
Only 3 scholarships last year but Waterford united have system in place with W.I.T.
pineapple stu
21/01/2007, 8:12 PM
Wages is just part of it - having UCD's funding for sports clubs - through scholarships particularly is a great leverage for the club.:ball:
Do you know how much funding we get through the college?
Do you know how much the club pays for the scholarships?
Context, man, and facts!
SligoBrewer
21/01/2007, 8:21 PM
No chance of promotion - Oxford and Dagenham will go up this season - even if one of those don't then York would be the third.
And Burton were absolutely played off the park by Worcester in the FA Trophy a couple of weeks ago - one of the worst teams I've seen this season down at St George's Lane - and I include Hemel Hempsted, Basingstoke and Lancaster City in that
another weekend win.. 5th in the league, not in 4th only because of 1 goal..
league table dosent lie..
now well in contention in the playoffs..:ball:
Schumi
21/01/2007, 9:17 PM
Yes, but it is hard for other clubs to match UCD's other 'incentives' to players. What other club could attract players by offering scholarships to third level? Wages is just part of it - having UCD's funding for sports clubs - through scholarships particularly is a great leverage for the club.:ball:Is there no university in Limerick, or Cork, or Galway, or Derry?
Dazzy
22/01/2007, 12:32 AM
Is there no university in Limerick, or Cork, or Galway, or Derry?
A good few Derry players are at university here.
Is there no university in Limerick, or Cork, or Galway, or Derry?
City have several players on Sports Course at college down the road from Turners Cross. Its not a University but Liam Murphy runs the course but its third level - not sure what you call it then...?
Schumi
22/01/2007, 12:00 PM
Cork IT is it? That's my point, most clubs have the option of doing something similar to UCD.
Hitman
22/01/2007, 12:49 PM
Cork IT is it? That's my point, most clubs have the option of doing something similar to UCD.
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Raheny Red
22/01/2007, 5:53 PM
Colaiste Stiofain Naofa (no fadas on my keyboard before anyone complains).
Some great footballers there!
Colaiste Stiofain Naofa (no fadas on my keyboard before anyone complains).
They're going to Stefain Naofa and play for Cork? Jesus they must really have ****ed off Buddha in their last life
Réiteoir
23/01/2007, 2:49 PM
another weekend win.. 5th in the league, not in 4th only because of 1 goal..
league table dosent lie..
now well in contention in the playoffs..:ball:
Even if they did go up by some fluke - they wouldn't be able to sustain Full-Time Football on Football League budgets and costings - Tamworth tried it to some extent in the Conference - now in major trouble, Telford tried it to get themselves up to standard to push for promotion to the Football League - they went bust and had to reform as a new club in the Unibond.
Scarborough are another team that have problems thanks to the cost of trying to sustain League Football a few years back...
Even Hereford have stuggled a bit this season with the progression to League 2...
SligoBrewer
23/01/2007, 9:13 PM
Even if they did go up by some fluke - they wouldn't be able to sustain Full-Time Football on Football League budgets and costings - Tamworth tried it to some extent in the Conference - now in major trouble, Telford tried it to get themselves up to standard to push for promotion to the Football League - they went bust and had to reform as a new club in the Unibond.
Scarborough are another team that have problems thanks to the cost of trying to sustain League Football a few years back...
Even Hereford have stuggled a bit this season with the progression to League 2...
True True.. but you never know.. The Playoffs always are interesting.
But all of those clubs didnt play in a major money spinning 3rd round draw did they?
superfrank
24/01/2007, 9:28 AM
Ourselves and UCD are two prime examples of clubs living within their means and making a right go of it.
I've been saying it for years - eL sides spend too much on wages, until this close season not been foreign clubs queuing up for them.
A salary cap should be introduced like they have in American sports. Each club would only be allowed to spend so much on wages per year and if they brerak it they get fined.
pineapple stu
24/01/2007, 12:38 PM
Ourselves and UCD are two prime examples of clubs living within their means and making a right go of it.
Have you seen Bray's retained losses in their accounts?
superfrank
24/01/2007, 7:38 PM
Have you seen Bray's retained losses in their accounts?
Em no, how bad are they??
pineapple stu
24/01/2007, 11:24 PM
How can you assert that Bray live within their means if you haven't seen their accounts?
superfrank
25/01/2007, 10:33 AM
How can you assert that Bray live within their means if you haven't seen their accounts?
We're still in business.
Poor Student
25/01/2007, 10:35 AM
We're still in business.
As of now, so are Shelbourne.
pineapple stu
25/01/2007, 12:37 PM
As are everyone in the league. So why single out UCD and Bray?
Student Mullet
25/01/2007, 1:43 PM
As are everyone in the league.As is everyone.
endabob1
25/01/2007, 1:56 PM
Have you seen Bray's retained losses in their accounts?
Making a loss and living within your means are not mutually exclusive.
passerrby
25/01/2007, 5:14 PM
three students on this page I thought you told your parents that you needed them laptops for study.
pineapple stu
25/01/2007, 5:39 PM
Making a loss and living within your means are not mutually exclusive.
Never said they weren't. However, why single those two clubs out? That's all.
three students on this page I thought you told your parents that you needed them laptops for study.
:rolleyes:
Hilarious. Never heard that one before...
superfrank
27/01/2007, 7:35 PM
As are everyone in the league. So why single out UCD and Bray?
You don't need to be a rocket scientist to see that Bray and UCD get far fewer people at their matches then the likes of Shels, Bohs, Derry, Cork, etc. My point is it must therefore be harder to achieve success with limited finances available, that's why the teams with smaller attendances (therefore smaller income) should be credited for doing well.
gustavo
27/01/2007, 7:38 PM
Yeah but those clubs that do spend more , are more successful than either Bray or UCD.
superfrank
27/01/2007, 7:45 PM
Yeah but those clubs that do spend more , are more successful than either Bray or UCD.
I know. But if their income is similar to Bray or UCD's, they are taking a gamble. If it pays off well done but if it doesn't you get something like the Shels crisis.
pineapple stu
27/01/2007, 10:03 PM
You don't need to be a rocket scientist to see that Bray and UCD get far fewer people at their matches then the likes of Shels, Bohs, Derry, Cork, etc. My point is it must therefore be harder to achieve success with limited finances available, that's why the teams with smaller attendances (therefore smaller income) should be credited for doing well.
Don't think Bray have been achieving success of late!
Bray's retained losses are approaching the million mark at this stage. If we define "living within your means" as break even and not living off share capital from directors, then Bray aren't living within their means.
Nothing against Bray, but just wanted to set the record straight.
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