How can Shels Survive now

[pete]

Shels will survive if their fans stick by them. If they can average 1,000 crowds on their vastly reduced budget with as many part-timers as they can find then could limp along for a while before finally leavin Tolka for holy grail of new stadium.

If Shels fans fail to support the club by attending matches tey are finished. We will see what committment left...

I don't think its very helpful to jump on anyones grave as all eL clubs only a couple of steps away from financial ruin.

[Dodge]

Helpful? No. Enjoyable? yes...

[MyTown]

I don't think its very helpful to jump on anyones grave as all eL clubs only a couple of steps away from financial ruin.

Spot on Pete - You've obviously been around for a while!

I remember Shels being fully paid up members of the original First Division. Their recent success never made sense to me because they never seemed to have the home support that Rovers, Bohs & Pats.

For now it seems that what goes around comes around, but the reality is that ALL senior clubs in Ireland are always just a puff of wind away from extinction - oh and it's not unique to Ireland either.

[BohsPartisan]

For now it seems that what goes around comes around, but the reality is that ALL senior clubs in Ireland are always just a puff of wind away from extinction - oh and it's not unique to Ireland either.

The differnce with Shels is that they sold the executioner the rope to hang them with.

[WeAreRovers]

Gareth - It may be a very different situation to ours but the solution is similiar. Confront Ollie and demand that he seperate Accolade and Shelbourne FC completely and then hand Shelbourne FC over to the SSDG and the fans.

Let Ollie/Accolade/Dublin City Council and the 3 vultures sort out the debts and the future of Tolka while you get on with running the football club. It will be difficult but anything less will see the end of Shels.

From what I've heard, even Ollie's vastly reduced budget is way out of control and way bigger than ours for instance. That has to be stopped. Don't take any crap from Ollie at tonight's meeting. You need to walk out of there with control of Shelbourne FC. Nothing less.

Give us a shout if you need some crazed loons with experience of getting rid of failed directors and boards. ;)

KOH

[NY Hoop]

1. You reap what you sow.

2. No one person can say "I told you so". Anybody with common sense could see this coming.

3. The convicted criminal is the cancer. Him exiting your club is the cure.


KOH

[Raheny Red]

Mick Neville and I assume he has. I am also not Gareth Farrelly.

Afaik he is still there, just didn't want to take the job!



How about "rent-a-boss" Keely?? :confused: :rolleyes:

He said he wouldn't manage a full-time club again, with they way things are going he could easily be the next man in change :mad:


could they not train with the U21's?



I heard they are training!

[dublinwanderer]

you heard it first here.. Stephen Geoghegan next shels manager

[BrayUnknowns]

Surprised he hasn't been mentioned before actually........

But Ollie was on TV3 last night with Andy King (ex-Swindon Town manager) and they way thery were talking it was already a done deal.

[BohsPartisan]

Heary vows to give his best to Bohs

I'll give my best to Bohs, vows Heary

Owen Heary, released from his contract with Shelbourne by a tribunal decision, has vowed to give his best to his new club.

Heary, who grew up as a Bohs fan, is looking forward to helping re-establish Bohemians as a force to be reckoned with.



Read the rest at Bohs Official Site (http://www.bohemian-fc.com/home/media/hearyvow/)

[Shelsman]

you heard it first here.. Stephen Geoghegan next shels manager

Great striker in his day but a bit of a messer I think. Declan Geoghegan is more like it!

[BohsPartisan]

If its Stephen Geoghan will there be a new sponsorship deal with Carphone Warehouse?

[Raheny Red]

Great striker in his day but a bit of a messer I think. Declan Geoghegan is more like it!


Declan would be a terrible move, absolute plonker as a coach/manager from what I heard!

[BohDiddley]

Heary, 30, will almost certainly be joined at Bohs by Glen Crowe, whose request to leave for free is now unlikely to be opposed by Shels. The club already has had to pay €5,000 for each of three players' cases it contested in vain.
Heary will almost certainly be joined at Bohs by Glen Crowe, whose request to leave for free is now unlikely to be opposed by Shels. The club already has had to pay €5,000 for each of three players' cases it contested in vain.
from the same Sun piece

[lofty9]

you heard it first here.. Stephen Geoghegan next shels manager

And we all heard his kiss arse phone call to Ollie on the Joe Duffy show!

Ollie: "Stephen, phone Joe Duffy and tell him how great I am and you'll be the next Shels manager"

[TheOwl]

Looks like King alright....

http://www.eleven-a-side.com/eircomleague/irish_soccer_detail.asp?newsid=26117

had this mail from a Swindon fan

"Here that former Swindon 'legend' Andy King is taking over at Shels... Not sure about that one, he did ok for us for a while, good signer of players but zero tactical nous"

Oh dear...although we certainly need a good signer for players considering we have none.

[BohsPartisan]

Scored a great goal for Everton V Liverpool in 1977. Its probably on youtube if you can be bothered looking for it.

[pete]

FAI pro Licence (http://www.fai.ie/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1608)

According to this article for European competitions the coach needs the highest licence that is available in that country. By that logic any club needs a Pro Licence qualified coach to get a Uefa Licence.


The participants were:Tony Cousins (Galway United), Alan Mathews (Longford Town), John McDonnell (St Patrick’s Athletic), Pat Fenlon (Derry City), John Gill (Dundalk), Paul Doolin (Drogheda United), Pete Mahon (UCD), Damien Richardson (Cork City), Don Givens (Ireland U21 manager), Paul Clement (Ireland U21 assistant manager), Joe Boyle (Ireland U17 coach), Noel King (Ireland Senior Women’s Team Manager), Packie Bonner (FAI Technical Director), Noel O’Reilly (FAI Head Coach), Paul Ashford (Skonta Riga FC, Latvia), Brian Kerr, Pat Dolan, Mike Kerley and Tony Mannion.

Coach would have to be from this list?

[dcfcsteve]

Dude, you talk about setting up a club like you do it as easy as having your cereal.

No-one said it was easy, but neither is it anywhere near as impossible as you are implying.

There is a sizeable and growing list of fan-centred clubs that you can learn from :

AFC Wimbledon
AFC Telford
FC United of Manchester
Clydebank FC
FC Salzsburg

All of those clubs operate at a much lower level than the Eircom League Fisrt Division and, dare I say it, some even have a smaller fan-base than Shels !

Or lookling closer to home - how about Limerick 37 for an example of a club who have usurped an already existing entity.... ?

I guess the key difference between that list of clubs I gave and Shels is that the others have supporters who are genuienly passionate about their club, don't put up withe sh!t, and are by-and-large over the age of 12.....

[Royal rover]

the demise of Shels is truely a sad story, how much did they pay for Crowe, and loosing him on a free- also i feel sorry for Ollie Byrne- i don't have much time for him but, but at least he had a go at trying take shels to the next level, this has leeds and Risdale written all over it,

[DmanDmythDledge]

Looks like King alright....

http://www.eleven-a-side.com/eircomleague/irish_soccer_detail.asp?newsid=26117
Lol at him thinking he will have CL football.

[WeAreRovers]

Scored a great goal for Everton V Liverpool in 1977. Its probably on youtube if you can be bothered looking for it.

Can't tell you how old it makes me feel when I see people ask "Who's Andy King?" :(

KOH

[Tenderloins]

Andy King.... just made me think of my old football card collection from 1978!!

[Raheny Red]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGsLCpByPfo

[Comic Book Guy]

Can't tell you how old it makes me feel when I see people ask "Who's Andy King?" :(

KOH

I could be wrong but the same Andy King played a few games for Cobh Ramblers back in the late 80's when Alfie Hale managed them.

[oriel]

Its my Dad's months mind today. Its strange, my Shelbourne experience began with him and at this moment in time, feels like it could have died with him. Our last match together was Shels winning the league. I'd hate to have had him seen this demise of the club.

I ask people to remember a club is not just a man in charge, its people's lives and memories. Don't sink to jumping on a grave.


Gareth, I think that was a lovely way for you and your dad to spend your last shels match together. Its something I never had with mine, sorry for your loss, you sound a true football fan.

[Buile Shuibhne]

No-one said it was easy, but neither is it anywhere near as impossible as you are implying.

There is a sizeable and growing list of fan-centred clubs that you can learn from :

AFC Wimbledon
AFC Telford
FC United of Manchester
Clydebank FC
FC Salzsburg

All of those clubs operate at a much lower level than the Eircom League Fisrt Division and, dare I say it, some even have a smaller fan-base than Shels !

Or lookling closer to home - how about Limerick 37 for an example of a club who have usurped an already existing entity.... ?

I guess the key difference between that list of clubs I gave and Shels is that the others have supporters who are genuienly passionate about their club, don't put up withe sh!t, and are by-and-large over the age of 12.....

Not forgettng my English team Stockport County who were taken over by my good friends in the supporters trust.

btw - Stephen Geogho is the new Shels manager

[CollegeTillIDie]

Well if Stephen Geogho is the new manager this post may be irrelevant.

Dermot Keely would not be the next Shels manager for two very pertinent reasons 1) He doesn't have the Pro Licence mentioned earlier and
2) Working for Ollie last time left him a broken man and he needed a break to recuperate... or have people forgotten?

[pineapple stu]

Geoghegan doesn't have the pro licence mentioned earlier either.

[Buile Shuibhne]

Geoghegan doesn't have the pro licence mentioned earlier either.


He'll fit in well - Shels probably won't have a licence either :eek:

[Tazskool]

I think I make that Shels have 7 players left ??

[Aaron]

Rogers
Baker
Moore
Crawford
Crowe
?
?

[pineapple stu]

Hawkins
Harris

[Mr A]

Things are looking up for Shels apparently:


Byrne can see light at end of tunnel

Emmet Malone Soccer correspondent

Despite the remainder of Shelbourne's squad being cleared by an FAI appeals tribunal yesterday to cancel their contracts and leave the club, Ollie Byrne expressed the hope last night that the worst of the turbulence may now be behind the league champions.

In the wake of the decision by Ercus Stewart SC to declare Owen Heary, Colin Hawkins and Greg O'Halloran their freedom to leave Tolka Park, the club's chief executive described it as "another sad day in the recent history of Shelbourne but we'll bounce back from it.

"Going is their legal right and their prerogative. I'm grateful to them for what they did while they were here and wish them well for the future but I'm delighted that some other players have decided not to leave and hopefully they will now form the basis of the squad that carries Shelbourne football club forward again."

Heary acknowledged yesterday he is almost certain to sign for Bohemians with the highly-rated defender, who has a young family, preferring to stay in Dublin rather than take up offers from clubs outside the capital. "At this stage, though, I think Bohemians is the best option for me."

Hawkins, meanwhile, is weighing up his options with Derry City and Dunfermline, both reported to be interested in the centre back while Glen Crowe is now also set to exercise his right to leave Shelbourne in order to return to Dalymount Park.

O'Halloran, however, currently looks more likely to renegotiate his contract with Shelbourne while a number of other players, including both of the goalkeepers released by Pat Fenlon at the end of last season, Dean Delaney and Steve Williams, coming back.

"Having talked to Ollie over the last week or two there seems to be a sense that some of the problems are getting sorted out," said another of last year's championship winning squad, Jamie Harris, yesterday. "And if that happens then I think you'd see a lot of the other players committing themselves to staying on."

Harris himself has agreed to remain at the club and Byrne's hope is that the likes of Dave Rogers, Richie Baker and Jim Crawford might stick around too although getting a manager in place would undoubtedly make the task of reassuring them about the future a good deal easier.

"We'd definitely all like to see something happen on that front within days or maybe a week," said Harris.

As luck would have it former Everton midfielder, Andy King, was at Tolka yesterday in order to have talks with Byrne about the vacancy. The 50-year-old has had spells in management with Mansfield Town, Swindon Town and Grays Athletic since retiring as a player almost 20 years ago and said yesterday that he would see managing a club in the Champions League as "a great opportunity".

Byrne, however, insists King has not been offered the post at this stage. "He comes with a very good pedigree; all of my friends in England say very good things about him and he's interested in the job but none of that means he has got it," he said.

[OneRedArmy]

By all accounts at least 6, and possibly over 10 managers turned down the role over the last few weeks, many of them firmly in the unemployable desperado category and lo and behold Shels are already turning a corner.

They obviously don't share Ollie's view of things.

I'd though Malone, out of all the journos, was above being a puppet for Ollie's groundless propaganda.:(

[hoops1]

There isnt a hope in hell of both Crowe and Hawkins staying
two hungry ****s will probably end up in Derry

[Mr A]

And it would appear that Shels official site is now closed: http://www.shelbournefc.ie/news.php?id=558

[mypost]

Here that former Swindon 'legend' Andy King is taking over at Shels...

...and ex-Waterford boss. No, he didn't stay there long. About 10 weekends or so, before he was back in England full-time.

[The Sheliban]

You may think I’m joking,
You may think it droll,
But thirty years smoking
Have taken their toll.
Too long in the boozers,
I can’t run for buses,
The other bus-users
Don’t know what the fuss is
When, sprinting quite suddenly,
While gasping for breath,
I’m paralysed woodenly
And looking near death.

But Shels have a crisis,
The players have all gone,
The sweet goddess Isis
Has smirked and moved on.
And that is the reason,
As we search for recruits,
At the start of the season
I’m bringing my boots.

Thanks for the words Doc. To be honest, at this stage, I'm just praying we have Friday night football this year, in whatever form it takes, otherwise it looks like Clonee United, here I come.

[dcfcsteve]

Not forgettng my English team Stockport County who were taken over by my good friends in the supporters trust.

There are about 100 sports clubs in Britain that are Supporters Trusts - mostly football (incl the likes of Rangers, Spurs, Villa, Watford), but also rugby and other sports. I would say that the majority of football clubs in England have a Supporters Trust. Sligo Rovers also has one.

It should also be pointed out that Derry City FC was brought back to life as a senior club in 1984 through the efforts of supporters/former players.

The list I gave above is very different than this. It was a list of alternative football teams that were set-up directly by fans of an existing club when they faced problems with their club (e.g. Wimbledon's move to Milton Keynes, Glazer buying United, Clydebank going bust). Both this route and the Supporters Trust route are options open to Shels fans who are unhappy with Ollie Byrne. And there is plenty of evidence to show that such a route is very achievable - despite the nay-sayers in Shels.

[BohsFans]

The spoofer never had a pro license when he managed us in a UEFA competition.

[dublin15bohs]

There isnt a hope in hell of both Crowe and Hawkins staying
two hungry ****s will probably end up in Derry


Halkins was sitting with the dunfermlin director of football today.

[pete]

The spoofer never had a pro license when he managed us in a UEFA competition.

It was not available in Ireland therefore not required at the time.