View Full Version : Player exodus to the UK
Exodus Team so far:
-------- Forde
Murphy, Dillon
Molloy, O'Callaghan
------- Ward Keegan
Manager: Kenny
How many move will leave? Not many transfer fees involved so far... Possibly biggest exodus from the eL i can remember.
lofty9
12/01/2007, 10:22 AM
Is it a good thing or a bad thing for the league?
It has certainly given us a bit more publicity in our "off" season. Downside is the lack of fees, but I'm sure all these players will be adequately replaced by their clubs (except Shels of course). There will be a lot more attention on the league in the summer from the SPL and England if these guys do well. If our top players do go then we have to get the best price available to help build academies for young talent from leaving these shores. It may be a fact of EL football that we are going to lose our best players in the future to the UK ala Scandanavian teams.
Tenderloins
12/01/2007, 10:25 AM
In a perverse way the more lads being signed by Foreign teams from EL clubs , the more likely young lads are to stay at home and take their chance with an EL team rather than go accross the water at 15?
galwayhoop
12/01/2007, 10:32 AM
In a perverse way the more lads being signed by Foreign teams from EL clubs , the more likely young lads are to stay at home and take their chance with an EL team rather than go accross the water at 15?
i think you could be right. it would make the whole thing healthier if the lads didn't go in the first place as the overall quality would be better from the get-go. however if we lose the cream of the crop at 15 and then lose the best players from the league when they are older it aswell, that would be the nightmare scenario.
but you're point is good if we do have acadamies etc. for the younger players to see a clear route accross the water from the eL if that's what they want.
Hopefully, but we have to have the infrastructures in place. How many years ago were the FAI regional centre's announced? And how many are actually in place?
The short term impact may be to help persuade those kids sent at 15, and dumped at 18, to attempt to make it in the league here - that the dream of "making it" is still alive. It's frightening the numbers that just give up football totally when they don't get a deal in the UK at the end of their apprenticeship.
Hopefully, but we have to have the infrastructures in place. How many years ago were the FAI regional centre's announced? And how many are actually in place?.
I think they have scrapped that now? :confused:
I think the problem this season is the demise of Shels & players leaving for nothing or pennies. Doesn't do the league any favours when trying to sell players in the future as SPL & English clubs get used to getting players for free or very small fees.
I think they have scrapped that now?
I though Delaney was still promising clubs they'd be based beside them? Obviously haven't been replaced by anything else, or any scheme to help clubs set up their own, unless all eggs are in the Abbotstown basket?
galwayhoop
12/01/2007, 10:52 AM
It's frightening the numbers that just give up football totally when they don't get a deal in the UK at the end of their apprenticeship.
it truly is.
it really is essential that centres of excellence (CoE) - or whatever they are gonna be called - are set up immediately.
even if young lads were signed to these for 2 seasons or so and after that offered to eL clubs (or accross the water) - a system not unlike the college system in america. you could offer the players full-time training, an education and each CoE could play in the proposed eL U20.
of course these would have to be regionalised as it may be unfeasible to have to travel too far - you could have one in connacht, one in ulster, probably 2 in munster and 3 in leinster.
I though Delaney was still promising clubs they'd be based beside them? Obviously haven't been replaced by anything else, or any scheme to help clubs set up their own, unless all eggs are in the Abbotstown basket?
All I remember is the Techincal Development plan that proposed regional development centres with accomodation etc... I haven't heard anything about this in last 4-5 years so assumed was dead.
superfrank
12/01/2007, 11:10 AM
It's good, imo, on two pionts.
1. It shows that players in our league seem good enough to play in "holy land" of football.
2. It gives younger players a chance to come through.
Poor Student
12/01/2007, 12:27 PM
You forgot Patrick Kavanagh from UCD to Birmingham. Gary Dicker is also on trial at Birmingham.
Tazskool
12/01/2007, 7:44 PM
In a way its good for grass goots and the kids in Irish football..
They are so used to seeing their players growing up year after year and only playing in Ireland.. and maybe 1 or 2 making it big elsewhere...
Now with players moving to England and Scotland leagues they have something to aim for.. in the believe that "Yes I can be as good if not better and I will want to play in the Prem League and then for my country..."
As for the money aspect of it.. the players are under valued..but in what way? as in the Irish teams should expect more cause they are the cream of the crop in the EL or the fact the players who move to England/Scotland are no longer big fish and need to prove themselves all over again so the clubs are not willing to spend really big compared to when they spend in England or abroad on players...
As the Irish game grows and gets more players coming thru... making it big with teams going further in Europe you will see players being sold for more..
Its a wheel... :)
pineapple stu
12/01/2007, 7:49 PM
Not many transfer fees involved so far... Possibly biggest exodus from the eL i can remember.
In fairness, although there are a few frees - and Shels' situation doesn't seem to be helping - there seems to be more money coming into the league than ever before -
Dillon - E20,000
Molloy and Keegan - E100,000?
O'Callaghan - E100,000 mentioned somewhere?
Ward - E175,000 basic
Bobby Ryan - E30,000
Don't know about the others; Kavanagh was free. Forde and Murphy too?
That's what - E425,000 in total? If the league can get half a million into it every year and (big and) continue to produce/bring back that calibre of player, it'll continue to improve.
DmanDmythDledge
12/01/2007, 8:42 PM
Forde and Murphy too?
Forde was free as out of contract and over 23. Murphy AFAIK was not out of contract as he officially went to Motherwell when the transfer window opened on January 1, but no fee was mentioned in any media stories I read.
A face
13/01/2007, 12:25 AM
As for the money aspect of it.. the players are under valued..but in what way? as in the Irish teams should expect more cause they are the cream of the crop in the EL or the fact the players who move to England/Scotland are no longer big fish and need to prove themselves all over again so the clubs are not willing to spend really big compared to when they spend in England or abroad on players...
Ok, you are saying that LoI is inferior to other leagues .... with that said, when will it be on parr? what must happen? at what stage can clubs demand a just fee?
Also, you're saying that eL players "need to prove themselves all over again" while players from other leagues dont have to. How, in your opinion can LoI clubs sustain the investment WITHOUT as just fee for players?
Two questions .... answers on a postcard.
Dillon - E20,000
Bobby Ryan - E30,000
€50,000 ..... is that fair? Is that good business? Two of the best players in this league going for a nearly weekly wage of what they could possibly earn in a few years (£33,000)
Somewhere along the line there has a major fawk up. If players are going to go then fair enough but if we have to take two steps back every time we'll get nowhere.
Tazskool
13/01/2007, 6:40 AM
Ok, you are saying that LoI is inferior to other leagues .... with that said, when will it be on parr? what must happen? at what stage can clubs demand a just fee?
Also, you're saying that eL players "need to prove themselves all over again" while players from other leagues dont have to. How, in your opinion can LoI clubs sustain the investment WITHOUT as just fee for players?
Two questions .... answers on a postcard.
The LoI is not as hightly thought of or skilled as the EPL or the SPL.. otherwise youd see players making the reverse trip from England/Scotland to Ireland more to play...
LoI has part time teams and players in it..
Itsa not a matter of being inferior..its not as progressed... and nto as developed or marketed..
Like any player when they move club they " need to prove themselves over again"..
Low prices on players shows that the LoI still has a way to be developed to demand the prices for players that the SPL/EPL/Fixxy pop leagues ask for...
Take a transfer in england recently.. a Division 1 player went to a Premiership team for 600,000 GBP..thats a big move.. a conference player moved to Wolves for more than Ward did...
Also the standard of competition is not as high..
I am not slating the LoI at all... I am just stating that as long as the LoI has part time teams and is still growing players prices will be as low as they are..
Proper marketing... Proper structure and a few good runs in Europe, such as Derry did last season, goes along way to opening the World to the LoI..
Its all about progression and I really do hope that the LoI DOES get alot bigger and makes a statement to the world of football about the state of players from Ireland..
pineapple stu
13/01/2007, 9:36 AM
€50,000 ..... is that fair? Is that good business? Two of the best players in this league going for a nearly weekly wage of what they could possibly earn in a few years (£33,000)
Dillon and Ryan will not be earning £33,000 in a few years. A bit of reality would be welcomed.
I would also imagine that they've left on the cheap because of Shels' problems. If Shels weren't screwed and effectively a one-man seller's market, the price would have been more reasonable. As it is, I'm amazed they got E50k.
Dillon starts for Dundee United today away to Rangers. Very surprising that eL player in close season good enough to go straight into SPL side.
:eek:
Exodus Team so far:
-------- Forde
Murphy, Dillon
Molloy, O'Callaghan Ryan Ward
------- Byrne Keegan
Manager: Kenny
McChrystal also left Derry for Partick
-------- Forde
Murphy, Dillon McChrystal
Molloy, O'Callaghan Ryan Ward
------- Byrne Keegan
gustavo
13/01/2007, 4:57 PM
According to Craig Levein , Dillon is a right back who can occasionally play left back
pineapple stu
13/01/2007, 10:20 PM
Exodus Team so far:
-------- Forde
Murphy, Dillon
Molloy, O'Callaghan Ryan Kavanagh
Byrne, Keegan, Ward
.....
Lux Interior
14/01/2007, 10:50 PM
Don't forget Dean Fitzgerald to Glens.;)
finnpark
15/01/2007, 9:17 AM
Dillon starts for Dundee United today away to Rangers. Very surprising that eL player in close season good enough to go straight into SPL side.
Apparantly one of their best players
Exodus Team so far:
--------------- Forde
--- Murphy, Bennet Dillon
--- Molloy, O'Callaghan, Ryan, Ward
--- Byrne, Keegan, O'Donovan
Bennet & O'Donovan as official bids made & rejected.
Not a bad team, nice formation...
I can never remember so many eL players linked & signing for Uk clubs of these standards...
superfrank
17/01/2007, 4:42 PM
I can never remember so many eL players linked & signing for Uk clubs of these standards...
A clear sign of progression in the league.
OneRedArmy
17/01/2007, 6:41 PM
Exodus Team so far:
--------------- Forde
--- Murphy, Bennet Dillon
--- Molloy, O'Callaghan, Ryan, Ward
--- Byrne, Keegan, O'Donovan
Bennet & O'Donovan as official bids made & rejected.
Not a bad team, nice formation...
I can never remember so many eL players linked & signing for Uk clubs of these standards...3-4-3 Pete?!?! aggressive formation away from home :D
3-4-3 Pete?!?! aggressive formation away from home :D
No defensive midfielders either.
Getting depressed as more & more players leave. Will take a long time to replace some of that quality.
pineapple stu
17/01/2007, 10:53 PM
Pat Kavanagh's getting very good reviews at Birmingham so far. Scored on his debut for the stiffs, and was singled out as the exceptional player in their next game (they've only played two since he joined). Touch wood he'll keep making that progress. More potential than any of the midfielders in pete's XI. ;)
Excuse my ignorance but who is Pat Kavanagh?
:confused:
dcfcsteve
18/01/2007, 11:43 AM
Don't forget Dean Fitzgerald to Glens.;)
To be fair - a drop to junior football on the island doesn't count.... :D :p
dcfcsteve
18/01/2007, 11:44 AM
Excuse my ignorance but who is Pat Kavanagh?
:confused:
Funny you should say that - I've just had a text from Pat saying "Who the fcuk is Pete...?"
:D
Tazskool
18/01/2007, 12:27 PM
Players moving to the UK is great for things in Ireland on many points..
Look at it this way.. the player spends 2-3 years here making their mark on the game
get scouted..
bought by the English clubs.. (money into the team and league - some may feel the amount is not enough but over the years the amounts will grow).
Presence of the League and teams is improved around Europe..
Players who move to the UK improve
Represpent the Rep of Ireland and improve the national team
Improves the league again
Kids in Ireland see the teams doing well.. more press.. more influx of players..
More players improve in the bigger spot light of the league..
Attract more scouts..
Attract higher prices..
circle goes around..
Cant be a bad thing?
Every start has a base.. this yeah has seen alot go and for record prices.. next year who knows...
pineapple stu
18/01/2007, 12:46 PM
Excuse my ignorance but who is Pat Kavanagh?
:confused:
Your ignorance is noted and duly excused. ;)
He's a right winger we signed from Wayside Celtic during the summer on amateur terms. Scored five minutes after coming on for his debut against Waterford, but then went off to Canada for two weeks because he had holidays booked. He scored in each of our last three games to end with four goals from ten games before Birmingham took him on trial and (depending on who you talk to) signed him on a six month deal. He's a quality winger - kind of in the Damien Duff mould, who just picks up the ball and runs at you. One to keep an eye on.
Poor Student
18/01/2007, 12:48 PM
To add, I think Kavanagh's about 23 and was released by Bohs a couple of years back as a failed U-21.
BohsPartisan
18/01/2007, 12:51 PM
He's a quality winger - kind of in the Damien Duff mould, who just picks up the ball and runs at you.
Sounds more like he's in the William Webb Ellis mould. :D
pineapple stu
18/01/2007, 12:52 PM
Touché!
He's a right winger...
Could do with him in the Current Affairs Forum. :cool:
BohDiddley
18/01/2007, 4:58 PM
Your ignorance is noted and duly excused. ;)
He's a right winger we signed from Wayside Celtic during the summer on amateur terms. Scored five minutes after coming on for his debut against Waterford, but then went off to Canada for two weeks because he had holidays booked. He scored in each of our last three games to end with four goals from ten games before Birmingham took him on trial and (depending on who you talk to) signed him on a six month deal. He's a quality winger - kind of in the Damien Duff mould, who just picks up the ball and runs at you. One to keep an eye on.
Good against Bohs anyway! Then again,who wasn't in 2006?
DmanDmythDledge
18/01/2007, 7:21 PM
To add, I think Kavanagh's about 23 and was released by Bohs a couple of years back as a failed U-21.
He's not that old, only 21/22 at most.
Lux Interior
19/01/2007, 4:56 PM
To be fair - a drop to junior football on the island doesn't count.... :D :p
You mean the same "junior team" who beat your lot last season, despite having it's worst season in living memory (and your best)?
Tsk, tsk.
:)
SaucyJack
19/01/2007, 5:22 PM
Does Sean Dillon count as part of this exodus?, he's just returning to Britain, having spent 1999-2002 at Villa(youth and reserves).
Does Sean Dillon count as part of this exodus?, he's just returning to Britain, having spent 1999-2002 at Villa(youth and reserves).
Youths only. ANd of course he counts...
Who will the first member of the exodus to get an Ireland call up? I predict that to be a must day of foot.ie
:o
Soper
20/01/2007, 12:02 PM
Young Trev Molloy is sure to be the first
Tazskool
20/01/2007, 1:43 PM
Ward is on the bench for Wolves match today...and has come on after 80 mins
Byrne has just scored the winner
Tazskool
20/01/2007, 1:56 PM
i know:( i had money on 1-1!!!!
Byrne has just scored the winner
Ireland sqaad again? Championship must be easy as I don't believe he been training recently?
BTW George O'Callaghan is on the Ipswich bench.
Yeah, cardiff manager two days ago 'he'll have to get fit, as his season finished while ago, and we will also have to see if he will be able to make the big step up'.
Also, commentator said that players like Doyle and Byrne are few and far between in Ireland...don't think he realised where Ward came from??
With Shane long on RTE tv today good chance will be threads in the Ireland section calling for his inclusion in the next Ireland squad. Surprised not been a Byrne one yet :D
From the BBC
Debut-making striker Jason Byrne came off the bench to give Cardiff their first win in 13 games.
Bluebird fans banned from the ground missed Mike Chopra breaking his drought in style with an airborne chip over Matt Murray from 20 yards.
Craig Davies hit the post and had a goal disallowed before his surging run brought the equaliser, setting up Seyi George Olofinjana from short range.
With two minutes to go Chopra slid a pass to Byrne who blasted in the goal.
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