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According to Citynet, the two prime suspects are lined up. Should be more entertaining than Friday night........Roll on Thursday.....
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24.11.2002 | General News
Lennox, Murphy to meet fans
The Star newspaper has organised a series of National League fans forums, which will give supporters the opportunity to put questions to club representatives. The ground-breaking move will be attended by The Star journalists Paul Lennon and Mark McCadden. Darren Bernstein of the eircom League will also be present. The Cork City Fans Forum is this Thursday, November 28th at PJ Turners Beer Garden at 8pm. Cork City FC will be represented by Liam Murphy and Brian Lennox.
Originally posted by Ali-G
Cork City FC will be represented by Liam Murphy and Brian Lennox.
I still say I´ll be very surprised if Murphy turns up. Some last minute excuse about having to take training or something. If he turns up- after the sh¡te he's come out with after the last few days- NO MERCY. Get him OUT NOW
Dricky
25/11/2002, 9:31 AM
I still say I´ll be very surprised if Murphy turns up. Some last minute excuse about having to take training or something.
More likely he is doing the going away speach at Mulls going away party and so will have to go to that ;) ;)
But they have the Card-board cut out of him to give us the deep insight that we expect of him.
Originally posted by Dricky
More likely he is doing the going away speach at Mulls going away party and so will have to go to that ;) ;)
LOL :D :D
patsh
25/11/2002, 11:07 AM
Trevor had an item on his bench last night, with Spillane and one of the guys from the Star.
Spillane reckoned there would be a big attendance at this, as a few fans may have something to say to the manager!
I think if Murphy does actually show up, people need to be careful not to give him an excuse to walk out. A full frontal attack on Murphy will do nothing really, when well made points in a non-aggressive manner will be much more beneficial.
I think the person that has to be impressed and convinced is Lennox. This is the man with the power ultimately, and if he can be persuaded that the future of the club will be better served without Murphy, I think he will act.
Two other points I'd like to make.
1. It is quite conciveable that there will be a large group of people who will be there to defend Murphy. Be prepared for this and let's not allow things to get out of hand and degenerate into a slagging match. The "Murphy Out" people will be blamed very quickly for any "unpleasantness".
2. If the alleged behaviour of Noelle is true, it seems that there may be a move within City to back Murphy fully. While it may be the most pressing issue for the fans, there are other important issues regarding the future of the club and the eL. If the club come out and fully support Murphy and only want to deal with these other issues, please stay and take an active part in the discussion. Don't allow fans who want Murphy out to be seen as people who have only one agenda. We need to show it's not a personal thing against Murphy, that we feel this way because we care about whats best for City and we do have other concerns and ideas for the future.
Originally posted by oddboy
I think if Murphy does actually show up, people need to be careful not to give him an excuse to walk out.
Murphy won't be there. That's official.
But Neil, it says on Citynet he will be there. Are you the official spokesman for the club, if not, where did you hear otherwise.
;)
from someone who was talking to Lennox. But don't quote me!
i'd be surprised if he was there and I am sure BL will make sure the agenda will be carefully adhered to.
besides any body who starts shouting the odds deserves to be booted out
Casegrande
25/11/2002, 1:50 PM
Originally posted by dalo
besides any body who starts shouting the odds deserves to be booted out
The odds on what? Murphy's replacement?
"7 to 4 on Damian Richardson.... 6 to 1 Alan Matthews.... 8-1 Don O'Riordan... 15-1 Dave Hill"
Originally posted by oddboy
Trevor had an item on his bench last night, with Spillane and one of the guys from the Star.
Spillane reckoned there would be a big attendance at this, as a few fans may have something to say to the manager!
I think if Murphy does actually show up, people need to be careful not to give him an excuse to walk out. A full frontal attack on Murphy will do nothing really, when well made points in a non-aggressive manner will be much more beneficial.
I think the person that has to be impressed and convinced is Lennox. This is the man with the power ultimately, and if he can be persuaded that the future of the club will be better served without Murphy, I think he will act.
Two other points I'd like to make.
1. It is quite conciveable that there will be a large group of people who will be there to defend Murphy. Be prepared for this and let's not allow things to get out of hand and degenerate into a slagging match. The "Murphy Out" people will be blamed very quickly for any "unpleasantness".
2. If the alleged behaviour of Noelle is true, it seems that there may be a move within City to back Murphy fully. While it may be the most pressing issue for the fans, there are other important issues regarding the future of the club and the eL. If the club come out and fully support Murphy and only want to deal with these other issues, please stay and take an active part in the discussion. Don't allow fans who want Murphy out to be seen as people who have only one agenda. We need to show it's not a personal thing against Murphy, that we feel this way because we care about whats best for City and we do have other concerns and ideas for the future.
Exactly. This is crucial. The club look like they´re realising the desperate situation Murphy has got himself into- don´t give them any excuses to get him out of it.
Liam Murphy will not appear at fans forum
his place to be taken by Cork City Commercial Manager Jim Murphy (more then likely)
and lads anyone going keep the questions someway intelligent
any personal attacks or stupid comments or chants aint gona do us any good
Troy.McClure
25/11/2002, 3:48 PM
Originally posted by Neil
from someone who was talking to Lennox. But don't quote me! Sorry, couldnt help it ;)
I think that there are 7 main points to talk about
1)Will the club turn professional soon?
2)What were the financial implications with the Leicter deal? How much money did we get?
3)What has and will he do about the stewards/Gardai/scumbags in the shed?
4)Is he going to renew Gunters contract?
5)What is the timeline and cost Re the redevelopment of the Shed?
6)Will he ever spend our chip money on buying players instead of getting "free's"?
7)Why was Jimmy Mul let go (for free)?
I think that the issue of going pro is far more important as to who is going to manage us for the next few months, and it would be a shame if the meeting was bogged down with Gunter.
good points there troy
alot of which was on my Question list
the others i have added.. :)
Can we add one more question:
What is Lennox's recipe for Cheese and Onion Pies?
yeah like he's honestly gona give that secret out?
come on ali lets me realistic here like
Originally posted by Troy.McClure
1)Will the club turn professional soon?
2)What were the financial implications with the Leicter deal? How much money did we get?
3)What has and will he do about the stewards/Gardai/scumbags in the shed?
4)Is he going to renew Gunters contract?
5)What is the timeline and cost Re the redevelopment of the Shed?
6)Will he ever spend our chip money on buying players instead of getting "free's"?
7)Why was Jimmy Mul let go (for free)?
Agreed troy:
Also as I posted before Murphy went hiding:
1. "What direction are you taking the team in?"
2. "Where do you see the team this time next year?"
3. "Can we still win the league- if not, why not?"
4. "Why is our away form so poor- whats being done to remedy that?"
5. "Why do we have such a high turnover of players?"
Can now be addressed to those who do turn up as questions we would like to have asked murphy.
Originally posted by James
Liam Murphy will not appear at fans forum
Is that for sure? If so, it´s pure and utter cowardice.
Originally posted by Conor74
If Murphy is not there the first question should be
"Where is the manager and does his absence have anything to do with the increasing calls for his removal by fans?"
perfectly worded
well the obvious reply to that will be
'given the results on the field have not been the best lately and in an effort to do the best possible for cork city, liam has organised another training session for the lads tonight'
Originally posted by James
well the obvious reply to that will be
'given the results on the field have not been the best lately and in an effort to do the best possible for cork city, liam has organised another training session for the lads tonight'
perfectly worded :rolleyes: Unfortunately you´re probably right james. Of course if Liam stayed away from the training sessions, maybe we´d have a chance
what methinks though is
liam/ brian / the club whoever would be stupid to send / allow liam to go into what for him will be a hostile environment in PJ turners.. due in no small way to the nature of the set-up.. lookat the equation
fan + bar + drink + bad results
DO Not = nice place / safe place for manager
were it to have taken place in a hotel u could have properly monitored and moderated the forum, and then imo liam would have little excuse
Shane
25/11/2002, 10:01 PM
I think you guys are spot on about not turning it into a personal campaign and slagging match against LM. That will achieve nothing. Certainly this issue of turning full time pro should be addressed and after the Longford game, the issue of the stewards and the young drunks in the shed. It makes it all far to easy for them to paint all city suporters with the same brush by using this mob as an example.
Originally posted by Shane
I think you guys are spot on about not turning it into a personal campaign and slagging match against LM. That will achieve nothing.
Yeah Shanes right. Of course, if people feel strongly about it, it should be brought up. But not to the exclusion of everything else. Otherwise its a wasted opportunity. Every subject of interest should be brought up.
TheNorthsider
26/11/2002, 11:31 AM
dont honestly think lennox/murphy will leave themselves wide open to attack they will surely have a few of their own in the audience and there are also those who are blinkered in favour of murphy.respect those who are talking know ur facts and try talk with the star reporters to get the media on ur side..i think with supporters pressure and media coverage lennox might have no choice..dont let thursday nite be a slagging match at least drunken 14 year olds wont be there
If it turns into a slagging match, well then itll show that the Murphy Out people are the idiots that people have been accusing them of being.
Howver, i know that many of them are not idiots, and have well thought out, balanced opinions on certain matters.
So lets not let ourselves down eh?
this forum is not a vehicle to voice your criticism of LM... it's about marketing the club and providing feedback to everyone involved with the eL, media and the club. It's about UEFA licencing, it's about progressing the club and the league. While attendances are linked to performances don't let valuable time be consumed by the Murphy out campaign...
Are you not a Longford fan???
ya, I know what you mean, but you know as well as me that it will be questions asked of the club for the most part!
sorry if I'm stepping in but if the wider picture is taken into context you have to realise what these forums are trying to establish, and that is to enhance attendances and structures and to ask fan's for their opinion of future directions... One of the lads at work was at one and he said alot of time was consumed on short term issues and he was undecided as to wheither or not something constructive came out of it...
Ya, i know what you mean, but the problem is, is that there is so many problems with CCFC at present and we have so little oppurtunities to those in the know, that we must take every oppurtunity we can to air our grievances.
But i will also be interested in what they have to say about the eL and what are the future plans etc.
Thing is, your grievances whilst valid are probably (in the most part) common problems other clubs share... the only club IMO that can be happy is Bohs, they are devolping all sides of their product, long before the advent of the eL's newest international, they marketed the club to school kids and bang 1500 extra paying adults, they are also top of the league...
Originally posted by Xlex
sorry if I'm stepping in but if the wider picture is taken into context you have to realise what these forums are trying to establish, and that is to enhance attendances and structures and to ask fan's for their opinion of future directions... One of the lads at work was at one and he said alot of time was consumed on short term issues and he was undecided as to wheither or not something constructive came out of it...
Well I don´t see a long term future for Cork City if that man continues to ruin our club. Murphy leaving is the most important issue to City fans, and seeing as he is intent on insulting fans and then retreating into the shadows without responding to criticism, this is the only chance to deal with the matter- if he had turned up to the Supporters Club meeting last season when he had the chance (and he had a lot more support) then maybe this wouldn´t be such an issue. I don´t thnk the whole meeting should be consumed by this issuie, but it must be raised, after all without a team and fans the club is nothing, and the way murphy is going we won´t have either for much longer
As a prelude to having a fulltime manager (adios Liam), players & club maybe someone would be brave enough to ask where all the cash from this seasons (surely monster) takings?
the city website, citynet, has said in its preliminary lead up report to the game that liam murphy has reportedly told the organisers that he will not ba attending....
isnt that nice???
Are you really surprised rolo (feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen)?
Id be hugely surprised to see his mug there.
Anyway im more interested in hearing what Lennox has to say.
Just another thing about the Echo yesterday, why does LM think that the whole OUT thing is personal???
And why did Spillane call it a "controversy "?
Originally posted by rolo
the city website, citynet, has said in its preliminary lead up report to the game that liam murphy has reportedly told the organisers that he will not ba attending....
Well I heard from Brian Lennox that Murphy will be there. Still wouldn't be surprised if he didn't turn up, looks like we will just have to wait and see.
I wouldn´t be surprised to see him hiding. He disappeared at short notice last year when he was supposed to attend a supporters club meeting, and the athmosphere was no-where near so hostile, so what odds he´ll have the guts to turn up tomorrow :rolleyes:
Originally posted by Éanna
eleven-a-side (http://www.eleven-a-side.com/premier/story.asp?newsid=2959)
A defeat would see Murphy come under even more pressure and whether the manager is able to shoulder the criticism remains to be seen - he has reportedly pulled out of a fan’s forum to be held tomorrow night (Thursday).
I feel there has been a mojor "Murphy is the greatest campaign" going on all week. I think he may show up, with a large band of supporters to back him up and to stifle any criticism.
Originally posted by oddboy
I feel there has been a mojor "Murphy is the greatest campaign" going on all week. I think he may show up, with a large band of supporters to back him up and to stifle any criticism.
I think you might be right there. If this turns out, I hope that there can be reasoned debate and those who support murphy will realise the error of their ways :)
Does anyone know of the agenda for the Fan forum Meeting?
I would have thought this was a meeting about how the club & the league can progress as won't Berstein be attending? This might mean the managers position may come into it indirectly but would seem a shame if people went just to criticise or abuse Liam Murphy.
Either way looks like I be missing some great entertainment tonight. ;)
Éanna
28/11/2002, 10:34 AM
Originally posted by pete
This might mean the managers position may come into it indirectly but would seem a shame if people went just to criticise or abuse Liam Murphy.
Yeah it would. This is a rare opportunity for us to speak to the club (although in fairness to Lennox he is very approachable) and we shouldn´t make it a one issue thing. My fear is that the club will stonewall questions on murpjhy and the athmosphere after that won´t allow the meeting to progress to other issues.
Originally posted by oddboy
I feel there has been a mojor "Murphy is the greatest campaign" going on all week. I think he may show up, with a large band of supporters to back him up and to stifle any criticism.
sure we all know murphy's is the greatest boy- isn't it corks own.?;)
Originally posted by pete
Does anyone know of the agenda for the Fan forum Meeting?
I would have thought this was a meeting about how the club & the league can progress as won't Berstein be attending? This might mean the managers position may come into it indirectly but would seem a shame if people went just to criticise or abuse Liam Murphy.
Either way looks like I be missing some great entertainment tonight. ;)
fair points Pete, you can't be seen as being there for the Murphy Out point alone...
Personnally if I was a Cork supporter I would go with an open mind, I would ask Lennox what his perception of a successful season was and have to convince him that success is needed... If lennox expectations match your final position... Murphy stays... if not he's gone, you need to work on Lennoxs expectations....
If i wasn't prepared to have a level head i'd leave it to someone else to raise the point and concentrate on wider picture...
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