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DeLorean

20/04/2011, 1:19 PM

KK77

20/04/2011, 3:24 PM

Might as well share my entire book reading history (football wise anyway, I'm not a big reader unfortunately)

Keane:The Autobiography - Poorly written (Ann & Barry style), although it was still pretty obvious it was more Dunphy's language than Keane's. Had heard/read most of the interesting bits already. All in all, disappointing.

Paul McGrath:Back From The Brink - Boring and repetitive, but then again I suppose that sums up the life of an alcoholic, in some aspects at least. Drowned in self pity yet constant reminders not to feel sorry for him, but do really! I was happy when I eventually finished it because I was looking forward to getting stuck into this...
Niall Quinn:Head First - Brilliant read, full of great stories from a nice guy who seems to know how to have a good time.

The Damned United - Really enjoyable. Fiction based on fact, but I have a feeling it's nearer the truth than some people would like to admit. Found it anything but boring. Sad yes but boring no. Makes you realise how lucky you can have life at time i thought!

Think that's my lot!

Yeah imagine feeling sorry for a fella who got dumped as a kid in an orphanage by his mother. One minute she's there and the next she's not. Thought it was a great read myself. Sad but certainly not boring. Agree with you on the other three books. Tony Cascarino's book imo was a super read as well.

DeLorean

21/04/2011, 8:31 AM

Yeah imagine feeling sorry for a fella who got dumped as a kid in an orphanage by his mother. One minute she's there and the next she's not. Thought it was a great read myself. Sad but certainly not boring.

Don't get me wrong KK, I'd have huge sympathy for the guy myself, and did before I opened his book at all. I'd heard great things about it before I read it and I think my expectations may have been too high. His childhood is heart-breaking, of course, as is his addiction, but I just didn't get a real sense of honesty in relation to all the people that he let down. He would say things like "I'm not expecting any sympathy" but I got the impression throughout that's exactly what he was expecting. Maybe I'm being a tad harsh alright. Also, I didn't like the constant quotations from other people saying how great he was, I thought it was a bit lazy and would have preferred to read him telling us in his own words what people were saying about him.

Tony Cascarino's book imo was a super read as well.

Must check that out alright. Does Jason McAteer have anything written? Can't imagine he would hold back much!

pineapple stu

21/04/2011, 8:52 AM

Does Jason McAteer have anything written?
Might have written his name once or twice. Might be about it though.

DeLorean

21/04/2011, 9:08 AM

Might have written his name once or twice. Might be about it though.

Fair point, but we are living in a world where Katie Price writes bestsellers!

KK77

21/04/2011, 9:53 AM

Don't get me wrong KK, I'd have huge sympathy for the guy myself, and did before I opened his book at all. I'd heard great things about it before I read it and I think my expectations may have been too high. His childhood is heart-breaking, of course, as is his addiction, but I just didn't get a real sense of honesty in relation to all the people that he let down. He would say things like "I'm not expecting any sympathy" but I got the impression throughout that's exactly what he was expecting. Maybe I'm being a tad harsh alright. Also, I didn't like the constant quotations from other people saying how great he was, I thought it was a bit lazy and would have preferred to read him telling us in his own words what people were saying about him.

Must check that out alright. Does Jason McAteer have anything written? Can't imagine he would hold back much!

Ahh maybe i was being a bit harsh! Understand what you mean now. McAteer good god could you imagine though i do think he likes to play up this image that he is a complete dope! LOL

cornflakes

11/05/2011, 10:23 PM

Just ordered:

When Friday Comes: Football in the War Zone
Broken Dreams: Vanity, Greed and the Souring of British Football
Stramash: Tackling Scotland's Towns and Teams
Behind the Curtain: Travels in Eastern European Football
The Beautiful Game?: Searching for the Soul of Football
A Season With Verona: Travels Around Italy in Search of Illusions, National Character and Goals

That lot should keep me busy for the summer

Stuttgart88

12/05/2011, 4:18 PM

I'm told that Perry groves' book is brilliant, a must read for Arsenal fans or fans who remember the late 80s.

I read a great book recently - nice and short too - called "Playbooks & Checkbooks" by Stefan Szymanski which summarises the economics of team sports in layman's term. Top stuff, although I didn't agree with everything in it.

PartySaint

13/05/2011, 10:15 PM

I'm reading Football Dynamo by Marc Bennetts at the moment. Very enjoyable so far.

Got it in Hodges Figgis two weeks ago. They had Tor & Brilliant Oranje beside it, I'll be going back for them.

Read thata few years ago, Very good book, some absolutely crazy stories including a good one involving Krylia Sovetov who Pats played in the Europa League 2 seasons ago

Others I had read are:
Paul McGrath 'Back from the brink'- Again some crazy stories, worth a read
Tor- Good history on German football
Morbo- Another good history but on Spanish football
Calcio- Same as last 2 but with Italian footbal with alot more details
Barca 'A people passion'- Tis good but i feel it drags a bit in the middle
Hand of God- I enjoyed it, although I don't think the Argentines did:)
Forza Italia- Not really a football book like the others, more just about Agnews life in Italy but not the worst
A Season with Verona- Brilliant
Gods Vs Mortals-Absolutely love this book, would recommend it to anyone
Feet of the Chameleon- I knew nothing about African football so gave this a read, very interesting
More than Just a Game- Its about the prisoners on Robben Island during Apartheid

Started reading Giles book but have put it down in favour of Football behind the Iron Curtain, Have a few lined up after that, A Brilliant Orange, The Miracle of Castel Di Sangro and Inverting the Pyramid

One book not to go near is A rabdom History of Football, It was written by that clown Colin Murray, god he is a tool

Acornvilla

12/10/2015, 2:04 PM

I'm really, really bored, so I'll bump this..
Not a huge reader by any means, but dabble in the odd football book when there's traveling afoot. Mostly autobiographies, so apologies if they've been mentioned before, but this thread is huge and I've no notion of trawling the whole way through it no matter how bored I may be :D

I got How not to be a football millionaire when it came out, naturally enough being a town fan. Give auld Gillespie a few quid and keep him going. It was far better than I anticipated, well written and very honest, few good stories in there too, especially involving united in his early days, with the class of 92, then with Newcastle and the 'Rape' with Leicester. Good insight into how footballers can and how so many do end up in lots of trouble.

Read I am Zlatan a while back, I found it very tough going for the 1st few chapters, it has an odd first person style, which is far less formal than you come across in most books. It's since come out that it was embellished quite a bit by the writer. Once you get used to the storytelling style it's quite enjoyable. Interesting to see Ibra's views on many events, and get his backstory.

Seen someone else mention Fever Pitch earlier on this page, for what it's worth I enjoyed it. Maybe a bit long, but I found it easy to relate to, given he's mostly writing about going through life with Arsenal being ****. It's better than the film, but the film's probably worth watching if you've dodged it so far, and want to turn your brain off for an hour and a half.

I read a Brian Clough (Auto)Biography?? Years ago now, which came out in the early 2000's at some stage not very long after his death, he possibly died while it was being made for that matter. Chronicled all of his career from player to retirement, lots of amusing quips. he was very bitter about barely playing for or getting his shot at managing England.

Got a book called Faith of Our Fathers 2/3 years ago, I never finished it, so I can't say much, seemed ok, filled with nostalgia and rambling, so I got bored. If anyone wants it, i'll post it to you :)

Pirlo's I think therefore I play is standard enough, if you like him, you'll enjoy it, plenty of funny stories. Big fan of him referring to Christiano Ronaldo as 'the other one' and Fat Ronaldo as 'The Real one'.

Football Cliches is brilliant, not a book in the normal sense, but something every football fan should have a look through at some point. It's essentially a catalog of every football cliche anyone could ever think of, giving amusing examples, diagrams etc.

NeverFeltBetter

12/10/2015, 2:22 PM

I read "The Outsider", by Jonathan Wilson recently enough. It's a history of he goalkeeper position through the lens of various personalities on a general chronological basis. Some interesting stuff in it, especially how venerated goalies were in the Soviet Union in comparison to other parts of the world, but large stretches of the last half were rather dull for the author.

KK77

02/03/2016, 10:00 AM

I am reading provided you don't kiss me 20 years with Brian Clough by Duncan Hamilton. An outstanding read.

Kingdom

23/03/2016, 3:58 PM

I've read some but not as many as a few of you here. I enjoyed Forza Italia as a kind-of-Irishman-abroad football guide than a hardcore fan guide.

A life too short about Robert Enke is a very detailed but very sad book. I could relate to it a lot, as I'm sure plenty of people can.
Brilliant Oranje is excellent
Only a game? by Dunphy is a fantastic book, but it is a long-time since I read it. I'd recommend it to everyone.
Football against the enemy - super read.
Behind the Curtain and Football Dynamo - I preferred Dynamo myself.
Garrincha by Rui Castro is a really detailed read on the guys extraordinary amount of tribulations.

I have just started Danish Dynamite. It seems like it is going to be a great read.

KK77

20/04/2016, 2:00 PM

Keith Gillespie - How Not to be a Football Millionaire is an excellent book.

KK77

19/05/2016, 8:13 AM

Read two books recently that I really enjoyed. Alan McLoughlin's and ex Man City player Paul Lakes. Both very good.

KK77

20/05/2016, 10:22 AM

Reading below book that was out this week. Another very good read.

The Story of Adrian Doherty, Football’s Lost Genius, by Oliver Kay, chief football correspondent of the Times.

Forever Young tells the “untold story” of one of Manchester United’s most promising players, Adrian Doherty. Signed by the club in 1989, Doherty looked set for a career that would be the envy of his peers. In this compelling memoir, Oliver Kay describes what happened next to this maverick player who shunned the limelight and died tragically young at the age of just 27.

KK77

20/05/2016, 11:10 AM

Manchester United's forgotten young star
By Adam Bate with Oliver Kay

The name of Adrian Doherty might not resonate with Manchester United supporters as much as his former team-mate Ryan Giggs, but those who saw him in action believe the one-time youth sensation was every bit as talented - and that his story deserves to be told.
Oliver Kay is the author of Forever Young, a new book about Doherty's life, one cut tragically short when he slipped into a canal in The Hague. He was just 26 years old.
Kay paints a vivid picture of Doherty, the musician, the poet, the footballer, the boy and the man. We caught up with him to find out more about this unique figure…

Tony Park, who is a great authority on United at youth-team level, says he was like Ryan Giggs, Andrei Kanchelskis and Cristiano Ronaldo rolled into one.
Oliver Kay on Adrian Doherty
When did you first become aware of Adrian Doherty and what made you want to tell his story?
It was early 2011. I was speaking to some former Manchester United youth-team players for a historical piece I was researching and one of them asked me if I knew about Adrian Doherty. He told me "Doc" was as good as Ryan Giggs at 16 or 17, as talented as any of those who went on to become superstars. I did actually have the vaguest memory of the name, from 20 years earlier, but I had no idea he had died. There was almost nothing on the internet. That only added to my intrigue.
I started making more enquiries, went over to Strabane to meet his family and found out a lot more about the rest of his life and his personality, which was as far from the stereotype as you could imagine - writing poems, writing songs, going busking in the city centre when his team-mates were at Old Trafford. It felt like a story I just had to write.

I suppose the obvious question that people will want to know the answer to is simple: How good do you reckon he was?
I never saw him play, unfortunately, so I've had to rely on the testimonies of others. Should I give you a flavour? Ryan Giggs calls him "incredible". Gary Neville says he was "out of this world". Tony Park, who is a great authority on United at youth-team level, says he was like Ryan Giggs, Andrei Kanchelskis and Cristiano Ronaldo rolled into one. You get the picture.
Sir Alex Ferguson calls him "the boy with the most amazing football skill, but who seemed to be happiest with his books, poems and guitar". I think Ferguson's quote probably says a lot. Everyone says Doherty was incredibly talented - as good as Giggs - but his personality and his interests were very different to the norm for a footballer. Despite that, he was being fast-tracked for the first team.
He and Giggs were neck and neck as to which would make his debut first. They were both due to be in the squad for the Everton match when Giggs made his debut in March 1991, but Adrian injured his knee the week before … and sadly never recovered. Giggs's career and life went in one direction, Doherty's in another.

Is there any footage? If not, what challenges did that represent in building the picture?
There is very little action footage unfortunately, but it's not one of those books where you're spending much time detailing on-pitch action. I've left the descriptions of his playing style and performances to those who witnessed him at the time. But one thing I did manage to get my hands on was some old Camcorder footage of him playing the guitar and messing around with his mates in Manchester.
That was the first time I'd even heard him talk and, even after speaking to so many people, it gave me an insight to his personality that I hadn't had before. And the book is more about the personality and his life than it is about describing a goal he might have scored in an A team match against Liverpool.
It seems as though you've been exhaustive in your research. Have you found that a lot of people were keen to talk about him?
Yes. Extremely keen. His family and friends were extremely helpful, as you can imagine, but I was also tracking down and getting in touch with a lot Adrian's ex-team-mates and ex-colleagues (from various walks of life), many of whom had no idea what had happened to him or couldn't begin to understand why I was writing a book about him. A lot of those whom he met subsequently in Preston and Galway, after leaving United, were shocked when I told them he had been a professional footballer. He had never told them!
With his team-mates, most said they didn't know him all that well, but then they would find themselves talking about him for an hour, remembering more and more, perhaps reflecting on his personality and his eccentricities in a way they never had done before. Very few people felt they actually knew him properly, but all of them spoke so fondly about him.

People are fascinated by lost talents aren't they? But sadly this is much more than that… a lost life too…
Regrettably, yes. I kept thinking I would love for there somehow to be a happy ending. But sadly there isn't. Adrian died the day before his 27th birthday. The chapters about his death, his funeral and what his family have had to deal with for the past 16 years were very painful for me to write.
There were times when I felt like I was writing about a mythical character, weaving a too-good-to-be-true character into a storyline that everyone knows, but then I would be standing at his grave in Strabane, or talking to his parents or his siblings or his cousins or his mates, and the reality would hit me very hard. The past 16 years have been incredibly difficult for his family and I sincerely hope that the book helps them in some way.
Were there any surprises for you (particularly in researching Doherty's later life) during the course of this journey?
Yes, I don't want to give away the whole story, but there are plenty of surprises and unexpected twists. It's anything but the typical story of a footballer who was cut off before his prime. One thing that surprised me was the quality of his writing - his poems and songs, some of which are featured in the book. He was just writing them for fun, with no great ambition, but he had a real talent and a way with words.
Another thing I found really amusing was the story of his trip to New York in the summer of 1992, performing at gigs in the East Village in the hope of landing a record deal. I dread to think what Sir Alex Ferguson would have thought if he had known about that…
And finally, what are your hopes for the book?
I would like people to enjoy it, obviously, but my main hope, sincerely, is that it helps the family. I'm not talking about 'closure'. I'm talking about taking a story that has gone pretty much untold for far too long and opening it up to a wider audience. The story is amazing. I'm not saying my book is amazing, but Adrian's story certainly is. I just wish he had been around to write it himself.
Forever Young: The Story of Adrian Doherty, Football's Lost Genius is released by Quercus books on May 19

OwlsFan

12/10/2016, 2:33 PM

Has anyone read this book? Recommend it? That's one of my heroes from the past, the late Johnny Fullam on the left.

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DeLorean

12/10/2016, 4:00 PM

OwlsFan

12/10/2016, 5:03 PM

Has anyone read this book? Recommend it? That's one of my heroes from the past, the late Johnny Fullam on the left.

2474

Just realised that an outsider could pronounce the title as Feckup.

The most recent book I read is A QUARTER OF SHEFFIELD WEDNESDAY which will be a best seller on this site:

2475

I waded my way through it as it is a modestly interesting saga of how a club can go from a top club to just avoiding relegation to the bottom tier in about 10 years. Coventry are in a somewhat similar position now but at least their older generation have an FA Cup Final success to look back on. Wednesday fans have only a League Cup victory to which a lot of the book is dedicated, which says a lot about the club. Ignoring all the cliches about how great the fans were/are, since 99.9% of the purchases will be by the fans (the 0.01% being door stops), the tale of how each manager came with great ideas and promises of success, only to be shown their P45s before too long, albeit some faster than others, makes good reading. Big Ron was the only one who left voluntarily just after winning the Cup to manage Villa to the usual chants of "Judas!".

One interesting comment by Jack Charlton while at Wednesday and in an attempt to lessen the hooliganism connected to the club "Tell the fans how well behaved they are and they'll soon be well behaved".

One regret: Howard Wilkinson when he left and won the league title with Leeds bemoaned the fact that it hasn't been with Wednesday. You and me all Howard.