The Genesis Report.

[nelo]

How things have blown up in the FAI's nasty faces... I'll admit I wasn't on Keanes side at the time of the Saipan fiasco but after reading the report I am now 100% convinced he was right and what he did may create a new bright future for Irish football.
The FAI is run like a burger van in temple bar on a cold winter night that sells Ice Cream when thousands of people are passing by and all they want is a hot burger. Football is a thriving business and as such requires business minded people to run it.

Menton should be the first in a long line of muppet departures from Merrion square and in their place we should get an assortment of experianced finance, marketing and development executives. There are dozens of suitable candidates around the country who would jump at the chance of mixing their proffesional abilities with their love of the game. But what gaurantee do we have that the FAI will take the recommendations on board, well based on history: NONE.
Personally I think we the fans will ultimetly have to take action such as boycotts to save the game, because we all know as well as the next man/woman that the FAI is unlikely to do us any favours.

If the FAI are to get up to scratch then they need to bring in a visionary leader with the experiance to do the job, an ideal candidate whould be the former chief exec of the English FA Adam Crozier. But with a setup as backward as the one we have there would be more chance of Arsne Wenger taking Mick MC Carthys old seat... Irish football RIP - but there is hope thanks in no small part to Mr. Keane!

[pete]

Originally posted by nelo
Football is a thriving business and as such requires business minded people to run it.

And there was me thinking it was a sport. Are you Mr. R Murdoch in disguise?


Originally posted by nelo
If the FAI are to get up to scratch then they need to bring in a visionary leader with the experiance to do the job, an ideal candidate whould be the former chief exec of the English FA Adam Crozier.

To coin a catchphrase You can't be serious? :rolleyes:

I suppose you think english footballk is the best in the world, Eriksson is a brilliant manager, Beckham is world class & its time to recolonise the 26 counties?

:eek:

LOL

[fosterdollar]

personally i blame Bertie for all our problems
no politics in sport sunshine :rolleyes:

[Éanna]

Originally posted by nelo
The FAI is run like a burger van in temple bar on a cold winter night that sells Ice Cream when thousands of people are passing by and all they want is a hot burger.

If only it were even run that well:rolleyes:

[pete]

Just read that summary of the report & with regards the actual World Cup i don't think the FAI come off that badly - says the Saipan decision was well thought out beforehand & they had a 5 star hotel etc...

It does criticise the whole admin structure of the FAI which i see as a separate matter.

Interestingly it says the players were told at Niall Quinns testimonial that Siapan was for a rest & acclimatisation although RK wasn't present at that match. They seem to suggest RK over reacted although him leaving the squad was only a matter of time anyway such was the way it was building up.

[fosterdollar]

Another thing is that with the advent of this report it is likely that many candidates for manager will want to avoid the Ireland job till things settle down here and the FAi get on track

[Éanna]

Originally posted by Magoo
Another thing is that with the advent of this report it is likely that many candidates for manager will want to avoid the Ireland job till things settle down here and the FAi get on track
the ireland job is the ultimate "poisoned chalice" IMO

[Macy]

Originally posted by Magoo
no politics in sport sunshine

Some times I wonder are you for real....... Irish football has been screwed by bertie and co...... from lack of investment in the eL for development of grounds, the refusal to give funds for eP because of the Bertie Bowl, The promised millions to force the FAI to back away from eP, Bertie Bowl being flushed down the, eh, bowl, and now none of the promised funds coming through....... At the same time the sectarian GAA have got Croke Park practically totally funded by the Government......

[fosterdollar]

Originally posted by Macy
Irish football has been screwed by bertie and co......

dya reckon a load of bogball Fine Gaeler farmers are gonna do anything at all with regard to Irish Soccer?

[fosterdollar]

Originally posted by Macy
Bertie Bowl being flushed down the, eh, bowl,

who did the flushing?

[pete]

Originally posted by Macy
....... Irish football has been screwed by bertie and co...... from lack of investment in the eL for development of grounds, the refusal to give funds for eP because of the Bertie Bowl, The promised millions to force the FAI to back away from eP, Bertie Bowl being flushed down the, eh, bowl, and now none of the promised funds coming through....... At the same time the sectarian GAA have got Croke Park practically totally funded by the Government......

Not that the FAI are of course blameless but speculation was that divisions about EP arose in the FAI alone party politics lices i.e. Bertie got the FF'ers to toe the FF party line.

Without Bertie & his Bowl + FAI getting similar grants as the GAA & i still believe EP would have had a good chance of construction.

[nelo]

I suppose you think english footballk is the best in the world, Eriksson is a brilliant manager, Beckham is world class & its time to recolonise the 26 counties?


I am not talking about Eriksson or Beckham, I am talking about the restructuring work the English FA did on all levels of the game. From schoolboy acadamies to comercialising the international players to make funds available for the whole system. The development and structure was copied from the French who improved upon the original Dutch design. The fruits from the groundwork Crozier put in place wont be visible for at least another 10 years but when they are we will become very, very jealous unless we get our thumbs out of our asses and do the same.

by the way,

Erikssons managerial record speaks for itself and though I'm a Villa fan who hates his faggotty guts Beckham IS a World Class player. As for the 26 Counties......:D

[nelo]

http://www.rte.ie/sport/2002/1113/soccer/fai.html
Surprise, surprise, who would want to work for the FAI anyway.

[Daxion]

If anybody requires a copy of the Genesis Report, I can forward it to you, just supply your e-mail address.
It is 31 pages, in PDF format.

my e-mail
dbyrne@cil.co.uk

[patsh]

Originally posted by DAXION
If anybody requires a copy of the Genesis Report, I can forward it to you, just supply your e-mail address.
It is 31 pages, in PDF format.

my e-mail
dbyrne@cil.co.uk
Or you could just go to the FAI or Irish Times site and get it.
Or, Summary Report:
FAI are a shambles.
They should all resign.
Saipan should never have happened.
RK was proved right on what he said.
McCarthy was a little poodle who should have spoke up and got things sorted. But he was a nice guy and he can't be blamed.
They should do a lot of things in the future.


Result of Report:
Menton resigns.
Loads of talk.
The Heineken rep will continue to be the boss of soccer in this country.
They will do nothing as usual.

[fosterdollar]

Originally posted by oddboy



Result of Report:
Menton resigns.
Loads of talk.
The Heineken rep will continue to be the boss of soccer in this country.
They will do nothing as usual.

very cynical indeed young oddboy ;)

[patsh]

Originally posted by Magoo


very cynical indeed young oddboy ;)
I sincerely hope I'm proved wrong.

[The Donie Forde]

Originally posted by DAXION
If anybody requires a copy of the Genesis Report, I can forward it to you, just supply your e-mail address.
It is 31 pages, in PDF format.

my e-mail
dbyrne@cil.co.uk

I assume this is just the summary that was published yesterday and not the FULL report?

Donie

[Shed End John]

Originally posted by Magoo
Another thing is that with the advent of this report it is likely that many candidates for manager will want to avoid the Ireland job till things settle down here and the FAi get on track

Exactly. Look at the amount of managers who've ruled themselves out: O'Leary, O'Neill, Toshack, Kinnear. At this rate the shortlist for the job will be the shortest one in history.

Murphy Out Now!!!

[Éanna]

Originally posted by oddboy
Result of Report:
Menton resigns.
Loads of talk.
The Heineken rep will continue to be the boss of soccer in this country.
They will do nothing as usual.
Unfortunately thats likely to be spot on :(

[Sage]

The Genesis report is just another FAI shambles - what would Phil Collins etc know about football in Ireland anyway.

[patsh]

Milo Corcoran, the Heineken rep and President of the FAI, has said "that it would take at east 5 years to implement the Genesis Report". He madethis statement in Greece, probably hoping no one would take too much notice.
A week after it's published and already, slowly but surely, it is being longfingered and will be eventually ignored.
These little men will NEVER give up their patch and NOTHING will be done.........:mad:

[The Money Man]

Originally posted by oddboy

A week after it's published and already, slowly but surely, it is being longfingered and will be eventually ignored.
These little men will NEVER give up their patch and NOTHING will be done.........:mad:

Why did you think things would change - because John Delaney said so?? I think that there will be some change in order to pacify the supporters but do we really believe these guys are going to give up their VIP treatment all over the World - free holidays, big ****-ups, new suits etc etc. Are we kidding ourselves?

[pete]

I wouldn't try to suggest understand anything abiout the way the FAI structured but it does appear the decision making bodies are too large.

Seems like every section of the association has to be represented is the decision making process by their delegate. I'm sure also that people who have put many years in as administrators of the various sections of the game in Ireland see election to a senior position as reward for all the years put in.

Maybe if the FAI could be structured in such a way as to repay these peoples work in some other manner they'd be quicker to give up the power?

I don't know if they print it in internationla match programmes but on elook at any FAI cup final programme & you'll see the staggering list of Honorary positions & all sorts of other chairmen for this 'n that...

:rolleyes:

[Shed End John]

Originally posted by oddboy
Milo Corcoran, the Heineken rep and President of the FAI, has said "that it would take at east 5 years to implement the Genesis Report".

All the more reason to implement it. The sooner implementation starts, the sooner it's finished..........and the sooner we can all leave this lamentably shambolic chapter in Irish soccer behind us.

Murphy Out Now!!!

[patsh]

Originally posted by Shed End John


All the more reason to implement it. The sooner implementation starts, the sooner it's finished..........and the sooner we can all leave this lamentably shambolic chapter in Irish soccer behind us.

Murphy Out Now!!!
For gawd sake, it will NOT take 5 years to implement the report. This could and should be done within 6 months. Saying it will take 5 years is the same as saying it will not be done. The point is that wasters like Corcoran and the list of people that pete mentioned, will not DO anything to jepordise their own little world.

[The Money Man]

The first step needs to be the creation of a paid professional executive to run the show. That will require resignations from the current executive. I don't see any queue forming of those ready to step off the gravy train.

[Éanna]

The best way to implement a positive change in Irish football would be to send a firing squad into merrion square :rolleyes:
Nothing will ever change while the junket boys are around :mad:

[The Money Man]

Originally posted by Éanna
The best way to implement a positive change in Irish football would be to send a firing squad into merrion square

Well it would be if they were ever there but as we all know, more often than not, they're off enjoying some nation's hospitality.