View Full Version : Galway UTD FC Go Full Time
Conor H
12/12/2006, 7:49 PM
GUFC will be a full time outfit next season.
Tony Cousins will announce details of signings and squad this Thursday.
Another step in the right direction from GUFC.
where did you here this? i thought it was just the off field staff that were full time and not the players?
Trainee
12/12/2006, 8:08 PM
From a board member who was at the trust meeting
The club had decided on this ages ago but they keept it quite till they knew that we were in the premier
BohDiddley
12/12/2006, 8:15 PM
Good stuff. How long does it take to Galway by road these days? :cool:
fly down and make it a weekend !
Conor H
12/12/2006, 8:22 PM
Good stuff. How long does it take to Galway by road these days? :cool:
3 hrs pretty much.
On a Friday though....5+
Trainee
12/12/2006, 8:33 PM
about 2-3 hours on the train
About 19 small cans of bulmers on a train (offie beside the park) not sure what equates to in time but impossible to drink the full 24.
kdjac
Tony Cousins will announce details of signings and squad this Thursday.
When thay are anounced can you post them in the transfer thread in the stickies.
Cheers
gustavo
13/12/2006, 9:02 AM
No Conor O'Grady for ye so
desaintsno.12
13/12/2006, 9:04 AM
will you be playing on friday nights ?
Gareth
13/12/2006, 9:06 AM
Well I wish ye luck with that so.
Interesting to see if it turns out better for them than with Cork, Bohs, Shels, Rovers or Pats
Ronnie
13/12/2006, 9:34 AM
Fair play to Galway, but can you really generate 1.5million in 2007? Becuase its not really feasible to be full time on any less.
gustavo
13/12/2006, 9:35 AM
Sligo Rovers are also going fully full time with a number of the local players that were on part time contracts leaving due to not being offered full time contracts or not wanting to go full time.
NY Hoop
13/12/2006, 9:49 AM
If true a risky move. IMO full time fotball doesnt work in this league unless the club in question is in Europe every season to generate revenue and is not paying astronomical wages.
I wish GUFC all the best in this but learn from history. Sligo were the first to try this a decade ago and it ended in tears.
KOH
We have a lot of top businesses in the city ready to back up united but at the same time obviously there is a lot of work still to be done by all.
BohDiddley
13/12/2006, 9:58 AM
fly down and make it a weekend !
You have a professional football club AND an airport? :p
Terry
13/12/2006, 10:03 AM
yip, Fair play to our sponsors Aer Arann, you could also stay in the raddison, another sponsor, travel between locations with Galway Taxis another ...... aaagh you get my point !!! :D
In practice it hasn't really worked out, but a full time team can work out cheaper than an expensive part time team. Reason being that with full time players you get the full tax credits, and rather than being hit for the tax at the marginal rate of 42% (41%) you get the amount up to the cut off at 20%. One of the reasons we need gross pay contracts to be the norm, rather than the exception in the league.
Where full time has come unstuck is convincing part time players to go full time - the wages required to match their day job wages plus part time football wages has meant full time wages are ridiculously high.
Ronnie
13/12/2006, 10:18 AM
Macy, gross pay has to be the basis -as players are entitled to tax back then the rate of tax they pay is of no relevance to the club. Problem is the amount a full time players needs to be paid to compensate for the lack of security and the lost wage from working. A guy earning 25k pa plus a part time wage of 20k pa playing football would surely want at least 50k to even consider it. Run right, an average full time club will cost double the best of the part time clubs. I still can't see where 6 or 7 clubs can generate 1.5 pa
gufct
13/12/2006, 10:23 AM
Galway will be working with the Players employers who are in jobs to see if their training schedule and rest days can be worked into the players current working contract.
This happened when Don O'Riordan was manager before and it worked very well.
Macy, gross pay has to be the basis -as players are entitled to tax back then the rate of tax they pay is of no relevance to the club.
At the moment most player contracts are done on a net pay basis. They negotiate for €500 a week net, and then the club has to pay the tax on top of that, be that at 20% or 42%. Hence we had all (what turned out to be evasion) schemes to do with expenses exposed when Rovers went into examinership. Thankfully clubs are starting to get away from this ridiculous position, despite opposition from the PFAI.
A guy earning 25k pa plus a part time wage of 20k pa playing football would surely want at least 50k to even consider it. Run right, an average full time club will cost double the best of the part time clubs.
Yeah, that's what I was getting at in the second part. However, it is still possible with younger, inexperienced players. Afterall, League 2 (Division 4) and Conference teams pay full time players much less than the full time wages we pay.
holidaysong
13/12/2006, 11:19 AM
Bahumbug!
Schumi
13/12/2006, 11:19 AM
Galway will be working with the Players employers who are in jobs to see if their training schedule and rest days can be worked into the players current working contract.They'll still be working at other jobs while full-time footballers? :confused:
NY Hoop
13/12/2006, 11:25 AM
They'll still be working at other jobs while full-time footballers? :confused:
Rosenborg players do the same. But employers over there are more friendly towards their league. IMO the only way forward as this league cannot sustain full time football.
KOH
Dodge
13/12/2006, 11:26 AM
The theory is to be a full time fotballer and part time worker. Similar to most Irish athletes etc
bohs til i die
13/12/2006, 11:31 AM
Rosenborg players do the same. But employers over there are more friendly towards their league. IMO the only way forward as this league cannot sustain full time football.
KOH
Rosenborg players dont do the same. Rosenborg players are all full time with no other job. When we were there in 2003 we were givena tour around the stadium, training facilities etc and they explained to us that some clubs in Norway do operate that sort of scheme but Rosenborg havent done so since the mid 90's
The theory is to be a full time fotballer and part time worker. Similar to most Irish athletes etc
Didn't Pats try this under Collins?
Dodge
13/12/2006, 11:44 AM
Aye, still do for certain players AFAIK. Problem with the Collins experiment was that he let go perfectly capable players who wouldn't got full time and replaced them with rubbish full timers. The theory is sound enough
Dazzy
13/12/2006, 11:44 AM
They'll still be working at other jobs while full-time footballers? :confused:
Derry has been doing that the last two years.
red bellied
13/12/2006, 11:47 AM
Galway will be working with the Players employers who are in jobs to see if their training schedule and rest days can be worked into the players current working contract.
This happened when Don O'Riordan was manager before and it worked very well.
That will only be possible for players working in the Galway area mainly what ever locals are playing there at present, anyone else they get in I think would be on full time contracts. This is how it worked at Sligo the part-timers (the locals) trained at night and the boys who were on full time contracts had a session in the morning and then again at night. Since Rovers entered the LOI in the thirties, the club has always had full time pros from England and Scotland and this has more or less continued to the very day.
About to change next season, with the new manager adopting a strictly full time option with training in the morning and afternoon though losing out on local players like Mc Namara and O Grady who were unwilling to give up their jobs.
gufct
13/12/2006, 11:47 AM
It is the only way it will work for us.Sligo have let go players this season without thinking through how they will get replacements.
red bellied
13/12/2006, 11:54 AM
It is the only way it will work for us.Sligo have let go players this season without thinking through how they will get replacements.
Well that is down to McDonald he has his own ideas, if he is successfull is another thing.
Redzer
13/12/2006, 12:35 PM
Sligo have let go players this season without thinking through how they will get replacements.
Please explain how you came up with this gem of information!!!!
We have a budget for players you know. We also have a new manager in who has his own ideas of the type of player he wants. He has explained to the public in great detail on this weeks local paper, the reason each player has left or was released.
He has a very good idea of getting replacements, including one from Galway.
I havn't got a link, but look up the Sligo Weekender for more details.
green-blood
13/12/2006, 12:46 PM
eh cough cough
Now that the league is being rin by Fran Gavin - beware, ALL players wil lahve the new standard contract.
bigmac
13/12/2006, 12:49 PM
hope it doesn't go belly up on Galway, seems like a very big step to take very quickly though.
NY Hoop
13/12/2006, 1:31 PM
Rosenborg players dont do the same. Rosenborg players are all full time with no other job. When we were there in 2003 we were givena tour around the stadium, training facilities etc and they explained to us that some clubs in Norway do operate that sort of scheme but Rosenborg havent done so since the mid 90's
Not Rosenborg? Well knew it was some Norwegian clubs that do it. You were there in 2003? Fair play.
KOH
The 4.55 train on Fridays, no messing pending, gets in at 7.15 or so - perfect. You can even walk to the ground with that much time.
Our budget is e1.1m, which really in this day and age isn't a huge amount of money.
beware, ALL players wil lahve the new standard contract.
Does that have pay as net or gross? I don't think that was answered on the previous thread on the new contracts.
Think Delaney mentioned something about tax, didn't get into specifics. PFAI should have it on their website (as in I don't thkn they do, but if they were serious, they would...)
Who gets Gavin's job now?
That is the total budget for the club not just wages.
Raheny Red
14/12/2006, 9:13 AM
Who gets Gavin's job now?
Stephen McGuiness maybe???? :confused:
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