Mrs Gill steps up to the plate

[hoops1]

The playing field was tilted in his opponents' favour as soon as the process was devised. Shamrock Rovers knew a top-five finish would suffice, and so played without fear or pressure (just as Bernard Tapie fixed Marseille's final league fixture ahead of the European Cup final, except applied to an entire season.) Giller was asked to overhaul what amounted to an undeclared points deduction, with an inferior team (Trevor Vaughan FFS), then prepare his players for a two-legged game of indeterminate consequence against Premier Division opponents, and did all that was asked of him. He's entitled, as a genuine football man (a description which couldn't be applied to most posters here, judging from what I've read over the past 36 hours) to his bewilderment at a decision which offends the very essence of competitive sport.

How can you fit so much rubbish in so few lines.

[harpskid]

But what people are saying elsewhere Flawless is that if the 5th year was included ye still wouldnt have had enough points to go up!

Exactly. Even if the five year record had been taken into account Dundalk still wouldn't have finished ahead of Galway...!

John Gill has been whinging on about this process when instead he should have been going to his employers seeking an explanation into why he didn't know there was a play-off as it was stated months ago that it was taking place.

And I feel the media in Louth have to take a certain degree of criticism as well for their naming of the play-off as the 'promotion/relegation play-off' instead of the correct title 'eircom league play-off'

[NY Hoop]

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Shamrock Rovers knew a top-five finish would suffice, and so played without fear or pressure (just as Bernard Tapie fixed Marseille's final league fixture ahead of the European Cup final, except applied to an entire season.) QUOTE]

I dont like normally making personal statements about individual posters (as opposed to their posts) on any forum but this has to be said, You have issues, genuinely, your grievance against all things Shamrock Rovers has gone beyond the realms of reality at this stage!! The above statement is so wide of the mark in terms of accuracy its undeserving of comment TBH!

Koh

Spot on. He spends more time mentioning Rovers than Dodo ICBITHF CHF Franchise FC which says it all but surely the comment about reputable owners takes the biscuit factory??

Crackpot who slags people off about what class they are:eek: A genuine football person for sure.......

KOH

[mcgonigle]

Time to shut up.

You should take your own advice Hooperatzi before handing it out to others...

Your like a broken record, I'm sure you will now post the same thing again in different words, actually your quite talented :confused:

[Schumi]

No. One year's results are what's used in league's to determine the playing strength of clubs in a one-off snap-shot. Exactly how it should be done. Many past successes were due to ignoring licencing improvements (as Derry should know better than most), the opposite of what this new dawn is supposed to be about.
What if Bohs had been condemned to the First Division because of points deductions over the McGuinness Affair? Or other clubs because of the Dublin City points affair? That shows you the potential for problems when such a narrow time-frame is taken as being representative.Bohs would have stayed up with their off-pitch scores. If they finished behind that Waterford team, they wouldn't deserve any place in the new league.


They're not used in Independent Assessments of which clubs are best equipped on and off the pitch to survive and grow at the highest level.Have you any examples of other independent assessments?

[pete]

Are Dundalk the first eL club to be "promoted" & "relegated" in the same close season?

:p

[holidaysong]

Finally - give me a fairer time-scale than that used, and justify it intellligently. If you can't, then don't criticise that which was used....

Use the league position for this season (the best indicator of how good a team in on the field) and then factor in the off the field points. We beat Shels and Drogheda (among others) on the off the field points. Without getting into whether or not we should have signed up for it, I don't think a system that penalises you for your results four years ago is fair. I think from your comments however you do? I think the FAI were too afraid of how badly some of the 'bigger' clubs (like Shels and Drogheda) would do on off the field matters to do a system that did one season placings combined with off the field points.