The Quinn Brothers

[tetsujin1979]

Stephen makes his second consecutive start for the Blades tonight against Villa, with Alan on the bench.
If Alan does come on, does that make them the first Irish brothers in a long time - possible since Pearce and David O'Leary - to play together in the top flight in England?

[Paddy Garcia]

Just scored a good goal, & was so unlucky 5 mins ago with another volley. Playing well throughout.

[soccerc]

The third Quinn brother, Keith, is set to captain the Blades' youth side in Wednesday night's FA Youth Cup clash at Bramall Lane with Watford

[Dodge]

Another player who started his senoir career with Pats...

[co. down green]

Speaking after tonight's game, Warnock said of Stephen Quinn: "He's a cocky little lad, too much at times - he looks like a choirboy but he's growing up and that goal will do him the world of good. He was a bit surprised i kept him in for a second game."

[irishfan86]

Watched the game earlier and was really impressed with Steven. He's got a determination about him that makes me think he'll do well. He has a great boot as evidenced by that volley, and was unlucky not to get 2 goals really. Great positioning to get that goal, and I can definitely see where Warnock is coming from when he says he's cocky. You could see his attitude in the celebration.

It's a good kind of confidence and determination though. Hopefully he continues to play games now and maybe he can push for Duff's place on the left. I think part of Duff's drop in form with Ireland comes down to lack of competition for places. Obviously Duff has got the reputation, but if McGeady and the Quinns among others start proving that they have something to offer it will really be to the team's benefit.

[Dr. Ogba]

Watched the game earlier and was really impressed with Steven. He's got a determination about him that makes me think he'll do well. He has a great boot as evidenced by that volley, and was unlucky not to get 2 goals really. Great positioning to get that goal, and I can definitely see where Warnock is coming from when he says he's cocky. You could see his attitude in the celebration.

It's a good kind of confidence and determination though. Hopefully he continues to play games now and maybe he can push for Duff's place on the left. I think part of Duff's drop in form with Ireland comes down to lack of competition for places. Obviously Duff has got the reputation, but if McGeady and the Quinns among others start proving that they have something to offer it will really be to the team's benefit.


Lads before we lose the run of ourselves here lets just remember that it was only his second senior game. I thought he did ok but looks far too lightweight at the moment and reminds me a lot of Willo Flood who was getting the same sort of praise and is now languishing on the Cardiff bench...

[greendeiseboy]

very impressive - caught the eye of the commentators and some good comments from the studio panel as well- looks a bit like a young Paul Scholes

[cavan_fan]

Anyone here the Sky commentators say how they'll be celebrating at St Patricks Athletic, made it sound like they were a local pub team.

[cavan_fan]

If Alan does come on, does that make them the first Irish brothers in a long time - possible since Pearce and David O'Leary - to play together in the top flight in England?

Alan didnt come on but I'm fairly sure Pearse and Dave didnt play together in the Division One.

[Dodge]

Anyone here the Sky commentators say how they'll be celebrating at St Patricks Athletic, made it sound like they were a local pub team.

Did they say that? Surprised they knew about it at all tbh. Wouldn't take it badly myself...

[OwlsFan]

Geary did ok as well. Useful player - I remember him from his Owls days (like Alan Quinn). Not sure either will make the international grade but with so little cover for us at left full, he shouldn't be forgotton.

[Tenderloins]

Thought Pierce O'Leary never played in England. Only with Rovers, Vancover Whitecaps and Celtic?

[tetsujin1979]

My mistake, I thought he had played with David at club level at some point

[irishfan86]

Geary did ok as well. Useful player - I remember him from his Owls days (like Alan Quinn). Not sure either will make the international grade but with so little cover for us at left full, he shouldn't be forgotton.

I agree he should be looked at, but his natural position is right back, so that would put him at least behind Finnan, and Carr is probably ahead of him more on reputation than ability.

[republicofwhite]

Neil Warnock had another go at Stan after the Villa match. He reckons Geary is the best Irish full back going and thinks is absolutely ridiculous the Irish boss keeps ignoring him. Also can't understand that he was last capped at under 18 level. In fairness, I respect Warnock's opinion more than Stan's, infinite more character anyway... I do reckon Geary should come into the picture for left back, just to give us some sort of options. Not that that means he's superior to Finnan, Carr et al

[Dodge]

I said at the time Geary's ommision from the B squad was shocking

[as_i_say]

i dont think think theres anything shocking anymore where stan is concerned

[republicofwhite]

And you were dead right. I was castigated for complaining about the likes of Lee Frecklington were selected ahead of more Irish, and more quality players like Shane Long... People argued back that they weren't fighting for the same position. Fair enough. But Geary(who is 100% indigenous 1G Irish!) has nailed down the left back slot at an ever improving Premiership club, is acquitting himself extremely well, was for some inane reason disregarded in favour of ANOTHER LEFT BACK, Luton's Lewis Emmanuel, who just moved from Bradford, and doesn't really offer anything. Case closed. Joke.

[tetsujin1979]

Geary(who is 100% indigenous 1G Irish!) has nailed down the left back slot at an ever improving Premiership club, is acquitting himself extremely well, was for some inane reason disregarded in favour of ANOTHER LEFT BACK, Luton's Lewis Emmanuel, who just moved from Bradford, and doesn't really offer anything. Case closed. Joke.

The B International was on the 14 November, at that point Geary had played 5 games in the opening 3 months of the season. He had started all but one of those games, and Sheffield United had won exactly one of those games (away at Newcastle) - http://www.soccerbase.com/players_details.sd?playerid=17133
Emanuel had played 13 times, starting every one, and had only been substituted 4 times, in all those games. Luton's record in those games? W 5 D 3 L 5 ,and he'd scored the winner against Sheffield Wednesday - http://www.soccerbase.com/players_details.sd?playerid=20948

Who would you have picked on club form at that point?

The setup obviously wanted to bring Emanuel into the setup at that point, and I don't think on that club form that Geary would have deserved a call up. Now, a month later, with another 5 games under his belt, I reckon he's worth a place in the squad. But I still don't know if I've seen enough to get him into the starting XI

[eirebhoy]

Is Geary playing left back this season?

[kingdom hoop]

mostly LB, a few games at RB too cos they've had a lot of injuries. unsworth would be first choice LB i'd say but has been out injured for a while but in fairness to derek he has taken his chance and played well by all accounts, in a team that look to have a very good spirit with everyone pulling together. he seems to be pretty versatile, dare i say comparable to jos!

as regards the emanuel situation i dont think its fair to compare players judged on how their team performs. would you expect the blades to beat liverpool with emanuel in their team instead of geary? games are not won or lost because of the full back. stan clearly wanted to bring in emanuel to get him to be irish qualified, but i dont think england were coming calling for emanuel(understatement of the year?) i dont see why the likes of emanuel, tabb etc who are playing for very average championship teams and are extremely unliklely to move to the premiership should be favoured over players that are on the fringes(long, geary) of clearly better teams with the potential for more progress.
maybe the point i'm trying to make is xenophobic or overly patriotic in which case i apologise to any english people who love little old eire but i hate to see stan picking these chaps that arent going to add much, if anything, over lads from crumlin or waterford.
ive wandered way too far off topic, so here's hoping the flaming red head stephen quinn gets his chance in front southend's up and coming left midfielder charles smith

[republicofwhite]

Sheer Eloquence...Beautifully illustrated!

[Paddy Garcia]

Sheer Eloquence...Beautifully illustrated!

........ Quinns volleying ability.

[kingdom hoop]

........ Quinns volleying ability.

i cant wait to see a left footed volley from the boy!

i wonder if former gaa players would be better volleyers seeing as though they're used to kicking the ball in the air.. could be another reason to exclude emanuel et al??!!

[republicofwhite]

A la Kevin Doyle, Shane Long, Stephen Quinn,Darren Dennehy, Diarmaid O'Carroll et al... Think Matthew Taylor played the odd bit off GAA after that wonder strike on Saturday

[kingdom hoop]

Think Matthew Taylor played the odd bit off GAA after that wonder strike on Saturday

i know his mother, she's from leitrim, and said she always tried to get him into gaelic but that her autocratic husband wouldnt have it, but any time he went to work the o'neills was brought out to young matthew's delight, clearly the tactic has paid dividends

[Over the post]

Lads, while I admit that applying the Granny rule can seem cynical when there are decent home-grown lads available, please give concepts like "indigenous" and "1G" a break.
Younger posters may not know this, but not too long ago we had emigration rather than immgration with the result that we have Irish people showing the poor foreigners how to play sports all over the world. You can be 100% Irish without being Irish-born (myself and DeV are prime examples) and given the wanderlust of this island's children over the last couple of centuries I really think indigenity is a redundant criterion.

[Dr. Ogba]

Lads, while I admit that applying the Granny rule can seem cynical when there are decent home-grown lads available, please give concepts like "indigenous" and "1G" a break.
Younger posters may not know this, but not too long ago we had emigration rather than immgration with the result that we have Irish people showing the poor foreigners how to play sports all over the world. You can be 100% Irish without being Irish-born (myself and DeV are prime examples) and given the wanderlust of this island's children over the last couple of centuries I really think indigenity is a redundant criterion.


Cue another repeat of the "another scottish player declares for us" thread....:eek:

[Irish_Praha]

i know his mother, she's from leitrim, and said she always tried to get him into gaelic but that her autocratic husband wouldnt have it, but any time he went to work the o'neills was brought out to young matthew's delight, clearly the tactic has paid dividends

That's Matthew Taylor of Portsmouth? He's Irish?:confused:

[kingdom hoop]

sorry praha, that was a bit of wishful thinking on my part. he's actually being touted for england at the moment given their dearth of LM players. i hoped the post was off the wall enough not to create any confusion. apologies!!

as for this indigenity thing..best to keep it away from this thread, we dont want to steal any of the quinn bros limelight with such a fervent topic. i'll be happy to contribute to the debate on a new thread if it needs resurrecting. just as i'm on it though i think emanuel, frecklington are exceptional and are signs of stans woeful inadequacy-he said he'd scour the country(england) looking for new players while neglecting to watch stokes("he's gone backwards at arsenal"). in other words time was wasted trawling through genealogy of players who would be flabbergasted to get an irish call up to the detriment of guys playing their heart out with the hope that they might be called upon to play for their country

[Over the post]

Agreed, I doubt it's necessary to start a new "How Irish R U?" thread. All credit to Stan and his mates for casting the net far and wide but they do seem to have overlooked a few more obvious candidates.

[danonion]

I happened to catch that Sheffield UTD game and the quinn fella seemed like a good wee player, but I think if he played international, the opposing players would target him because he looks like a featherweight and he wouldnt add much to the setup.

[cavan_fan]

I happened to catch that Sheffield UTD game and the quinn fella seemed like a good wee player, but I think if he played international, the opposing players would target him because he looks like a featherweight and he wouldnt add much to the setup.

Sort of agree though think he's a bit of a shorta*se rather than lightweight. Think if he can make it in the Preimership, he'll be OK internationally, not as if he'll be coming up against significantly better players internationally than in that League which has the best player from Germany, Czech Republic and Wales (amongst others)

[thegit]

Yeh cause short a*** players never make it, Maradonna springs to mind ! I could go on and list a whole lot players who have been vertically challenged. The lad is a good player and he plays with passion from what I've seen from the Villa match.

[republicofwhite]

Thought I'd throw this in to fuel my Derek Geary obsession, Neil Warnock's latest praise... "And Warnock feels the way in which the Dubliner has adapted to the top flight makes him one of the best full backs around.

He said: “The team have surprised themselves, not me because I know they are capable. They were a bit apprehensive going into the Premiership but they’ve relaxed a bit and now they are more confident.

“Take Derek Geary, he’s got into the side, is playing better than ever and on current form is the best in the Premiership - yes, he’s playing better than Ashley Cole." http://www.eleven-a-side.com/acrossthewater/irish_soccer_detail.asp?newsid=25823

And reverting to the real topic, Quinn with a solid performance and assist for the United winner... Shortarse or no shortarse he's doing the business.

[tricky_colour]

I remember watching Sheffield last season so I could get a look at Quinn, however the player who did impress me was Geary, I remember thinkng, "It's a pity he isn't Irish!!", I didn't realise he was at the time!! Also saw a bit of him against Man U, where Rooney tried a bit of showboating in front of him, which ended up with Rooney looking bit of an old wreck when Geary put in a challange on him! I can certaintly see where Warnock is coming from. I would not be surpprised to see him in the first team before long. I also heard a Shefield fan on the radio saying he was out jumping Heskey to get to balls, who is about twice his size!!

[greatbleddyman]

Geary has improved since his time at wednesday but he is not international class. He's a trier who is very limited going forward and liable to do rash things

[Dodge]

Geary has improved since his time at wednesday but he is not international class. He's a trier who is very limited going forward and liable to do rash things

Its not about his class. Its whether there are 2/3 better Irish left backs than him. IMO there isn't

[republicofwhite]

very limited going forward and liable to do rash things Sounds like John O'Shea and Ian Harte to me... Note I left out the "trier" tag, in other words at least Geary tries, unlike the others. And in terms of the international class debate...I think thats irrelevant, I dont think Ireland can ever proclaim to have the luxury of fielding 11 genuinely international class players. The facts are that we will never have a true embarrassment of riches in our squad pickings so in that case, players who will give everything for the jersey should deserve their place,its their attitude which gets results, to make up for the ability. Geary, IMO, has an excellent attitude, as exhibited consistently throughout this season, much better than the seemingly disinterested O'Shea. When we're talking about the Irish left back position, I think its a bit ironic and rich of us to start being selective and choosy...

[irishfan86]

Geary was one of the stars this weekend. I watched the last two Sheffield United matches and Geary has played a key role in both. Stephen Quinn was a little more subdued but very effective on the left flank again, and did well to get the ball to Hulse for the winner.

[danonion]

2 Stephen Kelly
3 Steve Finnan
4 Paul McShane
5 John O'Shea

That was the back four vs. Czech Republic. I can't say I remember how well Kelly played, but if Geary is playing left full week in and week out in the premier league, he has to be our first choice, since Finnan is not comfortable on the left flank.

a back four of (Right to left) Finnan, McShane, Dunne, Geary has the potential to be very very mean, especially with Carsley sitting on top of them

[tricky_colour]

Sounds like John O'Shea and Ian Harte to me... Note I left out the "trier" tag, in other words at least Geary tries, unlike the others. And in terms of the international class debate...I think thats irrelevant, I dont think Ireland can ever proclaim to have the luxury of fielding 11 genuinely international class players. The facts are that we will never have a true embarrassment of riches in our squad pickings so in that case, players who will give everything for the jersey should deserve their place,its their attitude which gets results, to make up for the ability. Geary, IMO, has an excellent attitude, as exhibited consistently throughout this season, much better than the seemingly disinterested O'Shea. When we're talking about the Irish left back position, I think its a bit ironic and rich of us to start being selective and choosy...

I would definately agree with that, when I first saw him play he seemed to be putting twice as much effort in as anyone else one the pitch!! Imagine if everyone else was doing the same, we would be a hard team to beat then!
The more you try the better you get, and I think you need those types of players in a team, players who don't give up, especially if you are play more 'cultured' players in the team. 'Trying' should be considered one of the most important skills.

[cavan_fan]

I'd have him behind Harte, if only for the free kicks which in a full campaign should be 2/3 goals. O'Shea is not suited to full back as it requires energy he doesnt have.

[OwlsFan]

I'd have him behind Harte, if only for the free kicks which in a full campaign should be 2/3 goals. O'Shea is not suited to full back as it requires energy he doesnt have.

And what about the 2/3 goals Harte will give away? I won't forget Japan/Korea in a hurry. Geary played for Wednesday when they were in Division 1 and he was no more than average at that level. Unless he has made great strides since he went across the city, I really doubt if he is close to international standard. One good performance on TV doesn't make an international. He is in the Alan Quinn class - will never quite have the ability to really make it but won't be for the lack of trying.

I think O'Shea tries by the way. He just has that style that makes him look laid back and languid. Interesting that SAF brought him on when they were chasing the game against West Ham :eek: Centre-half should eventually be his position.

[cavan_fan]

And what about the 2/3 goals Harte will give away?


I think the real check is how many more goals will he 'give away' than other possibilities at LB. I'm not sure in that case he is any worse than the others.

[eirebhoy]

And what about the 2/3 goals Harte will give away?
I have to point you towards this post again:
http://foot.ie/showthread.php?p=368189#post368189
;)

We've actually done well recently with him in defence. He played 5 for us games last season (280 minutes) and we didn't concede a goal when he was on the pitch. :) I still think he's our best left back, pity he has been injured all season.

[citizenerased]

I think geary should definately be in the squad, in fairness, harte although he may sneak an odd free kick, is liable to cost you games. O'Shea, should never play left full again, he is too disinterested and consistantly plays sloppy passes. I think finnan should revert back back to the right, its silly when you think about it, one of the best right full backs in the Premiership and we play him on the left(granted as a result of limited left full alternatives). I

I think putting Geary in the Squad at least is a no brainer

[republicofwhite]

Definite No Brainer. Its ridiculous that the idea of playing a Champions League winning/Premiership's finest Right Back playing on the left is even mooted... Now that we have Geary in the picture, the full backs should really pick themselves. Kelly is doing well at high flying Birmingham, mind. A nice back up. He'll be playing regular Premiership football next year.

[eirebhoy]

Definite No Brainer. Its ridiculous that the idea of playing a Champions League winning/Premiership's finest Right Back playing on the left is even mooted... Now that we have Geary in the picture, the full backs should really pick themselves. Kelly is doing well at high flying Birmingham, mind. A nice back up. He'll be playing regular Premiership football next year.
I'm still weary about the fact that he's not a natural left back. I've still yet to see him play there though tbf.