Due Process...my arse

[Billsthoughts]

Is that actually true about the GAA getting the land out in Rathcoole for nothing?
I dont think it is.AFAIR they bought it years ago and have just never developed it.
And why would Rathcoole/Saggart need three GAA grounds anyway? Why cant they just develop an existing ground into the one they are looking to build.
How can anyone on a football forum support Thomas Davis on this one?
I'd have no problem Ireland playing their home games in another country rather than give the GAA money to p*ss away on court cases.

[NY Hoop]

it's called a hyperlink, use it! :rolleyes:

It's called embarrassment. Delusions of adequacy.

KOH

[wws]

possibly used already but ha

from the guardian


QUOTE OF THE DAY

"Ever since permission [to play soccer in Croke Park] was given to the
FAI, there has been a lot of talk, a lot of photo opportunities at
Croke Park. There's an air of triumphalism about the whole thing. Let
them not forget that they are on our patch" - Munster Council
chairman and 2008 Gaelic Athletic Association Presidential candidate,
Sean Fogarty, accuses the Irish FA of arrogance regarding their
approach to becoming tenants in Croke Park.

*********************

[BohDiddley]

Think they got that from a link here earlier... anseo (http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=70067)a chairde ghael

[G-Man]

Firstly, I've been signed up here a while, but very rarely post, find the site great for local football news and for details on upcoming international fixtures and tickets etc. So apologies for those of you who will want to attack me for my lack of posts.

I've been reading this topic for a while now, and other topics on this DB, but chose not to post. But this time I feel like I should.

First things first, I think what Thomas Davis is doing is wrong and should not be happening. Not being from Dublin or knowing the exact circumstances, is it a personal issue with the TD chairman or just his hatred of football? Its petty, small minded and just down right dumb. Liam Griffin, of Wexford hurling fame is known to have said he wants to see every child in Ireland play hurling, but if they dont he'd want to see them out playing sports and he'd be happy to see them play soccer as long as they were involved. Mick Wallace is known to attend most Wexford GAA games, as is Kevin Doyle (who I played many a game of Gaelic against (and a couple with) when he is around.

Now I know there are some archaic ways in the GAA, but the way some of you on here brand every single follower of the GAA as biggotted and small minded is a bit off. I for one would be a GAA man first, and represented my county at gaelic football (I'm not going to start a debate on the term frequently used here of bogball).

But I also follow football a lot too, granted I dont go to a load of EL games, just a few Waterford ones, but I'd be a regular attender of Wexford games should Mick Wallace (a man I know personally and have a lot of time for) get a team in the league. I have been to all Ireland home games (bar the time I was aborad) and have been to a few away games too. I went to the World Cup in the summer as well, only seeing one game but travelling around germany for 3 weeks soaking up the atmosphere was brilliant.

One thing I dont get, is how a lot of posters here claim the GAA is biggotted but yet they abuse and put down everything they do, call for bans on going to Croke Park and other such things. Its really trivial stuff and do you not see the irony in your opinions and actions?

Secondly, the level of accuracy with regards to the funding of Croke park, mainly displayed on this thread is appaling. You should not put itno print things that you hear. Funding for Croke Park is as follows: (sorry for not having the link, I had this copied on an email from a previous link due to a similar argument)

Total cost 260million

Tax Man 19million
National Lottery 91 million
Sale of seats 20million
Private Funding 90Million
Outstanding loan 36 million

The original plan was 10m in tax mney, but as the special olympics was being held there, the money was pushed up. And some of you are complaingin that the GAA should foot the bill for the installation of floodlights. I really dont see your argument for this, when the GAA put forward a plan a couple of years ago for them, Bord Planala refused them due to the residents. Now that the FAI needs them for their midweek games, I really dont see why they should foot the bill. Another point, Lansdowne road is receiving 191m in funds, about 80m of which is taxpayers money and the rest lottery. So please, can all this talk of tax money going into Croke Park please stop.

The comments from that fool in Tipperary about the FAI is ridiculous, and the GAA have requested that no one unauthorised be allowed to comment on the matter. Everywhere there will be one or 2 old stled people, but the majority see a future and advancement. Its not a case of you must chose one or the other, but here it seems it is.

But you must also see what is perceived as pettiness on the GAA's side. Staunton has requested on 2 seperate occasions use of Croke Park. Now that is petty, and when refused for the latest one, he complained. I for one, dont see his logic. Playing away to San Marino, he wants to train in Croke Park, nearly 2 months before their first game there. There is a Gaelic game on 2 days before his requested date and the first rugby international is on 4 days after his date. It isnt logical and can be seen as annoying. They are having no such problems from the IRFU who have already submitted a time frame plan for use of the grounds for training and such like to the approval of Croke Park, so its not a case of use it on our terms.

I know many of you wont read all this, especially as I'm after stating I'm from a GAA background and that will already have set off the red lights, but all I'm saying is try not to be as blinkered in your hatred of the GAA. You'd be surprised at how many people like both sports and can play both and enjoy supporting both.

Now, after all that (been biting my tongue for a long time on here), you can beat me with 'you're biggot GAA supporter' stick!!

[BohsFans]

possibly used already but ha

from the guardian


QUOTE OF THE DAY

"Ever since permission [to play soccer in Croke Park] was given to the
FAI, there has been a lot of talk, a lot of photo opportunities at
Croke Park. There's an air of triumphalism about the whole thing. Let
them not forget that they are on our patch" - Munster Council
chairman and 2008 Gaelic Athletic Association Presidential candidate,
Sean Fogarty, accuses the Irish FA of arrogance regarding their
approach to becoming tenants in Croke Park.

*********************

The Irish FA is for the 6 counties, who aren't using Croker! :rolleyes:

[BohsFans]

It's called embarrassment. Delusions of adequacy.

KOH

get with the times, the media have. Now down off your horse.

[NY Hoop]

get with the times, the media have. Now down off your horse.

That's "the media"?.:D :D Maxi is more sane than you.


KOH

[BohsFans]

That's "the media"?.:D :D Maxi is more sane than you.


KOH

keep it coming....it'll just go to the rubbish page :rolleyes:

[gspain]

Firstly, I've been signed up here a while, but very rarely post, find the site great for local football news and for details on upcoming international fixtures and tickets etc. So apologies for those of you who will want to attack me for my lack of posts.

I've been reading this topic for a while now, and other topics on this DB, but chose not to post. But this time I feel like I should.

First things first, I think what Thomas Davis is doing is wrong and should not be happening. Not being from Dublin or knowing the exact circumstances, is it a personal issue with the TD chairman or just his hatred of football? Its petty, small minded and just down right dumb. Liam Griffin, of Wexford hurling fame is known to have said he wants to see every child in Ireland play hurling, but if they dont he'd want to see them out playing sports and he'd be happy to see them play soccer as long as they were involved. Mick Wallace is known to attend most Wexford GAA games, as is Kevin Doyle (who I played many a game of Gaelic against (and a couple with) when he is around.

Now I know there are some archaic ways in the GAA, but the way some of you on here brand every single follower of the GAA as biggotted and small minded is a bit off. I for one would be a GAA man first, and represented my county at gaelic football (I'm not going to start a debate on the term frequently used here of bogball).

But I also follow football a lot too, granted I dont go to a load of EL games, just a few Waterford ones, but I'd be a regular attender of Wexford games should Mick Wallace (a man I know personally and have a lot of time for) get a team in the league. I have been to all Ireland home games (bar the time I was aborad) and have been to a few away games too. I went to the World Cup in the summer as well, only seeing one game but travelling around germany for 3 weeks soaking up the atmosphere was brilliant.

One thing I dont get, is how a lot of posters here claim the GAA is biggotted but yet they abuse and put down everything they do, call for bans on going to Croke Park and other such things. Its really trivial stuff and do you not see the irony in your opinions and actions?

Secondly, the level of accuracy with regards to the funding of Croke park, mainly displayed on this thread is appaling. You should not put itno print things that you hear. Funding for Croke Park is as follows: (sorry for not having the link, I had this copied on an email from a previous link due to a similar argument)

Total cost 260million

Tax Man 19million
National Lottery 91 million
Sale of seats 20million
Private Funding 90Million
Outstanding loan 36 million

The original plan was 10m in tax mney, but as the special olympics was being held there, the money was pushed up. And some of you are complaingin that the GAA should foot the bill for the installation of floodlights. I really dont see your argument for this, when the GAA put forward a plan a couple of years ago for them, Bord Planala refused them due to the residents. Now that the FAI needs them for their midweek games, I really dont see why they should foot the bill. Another point, Lansdowne road is receiving 191m in funds, about 80m of which is taxpayers money and the rest lottery. So please, can all this talk of tax money going into Croke Park please stop.

The comments from that fool in Tipperary about the FAI is ridiculous, and the GAA have requested that no one unauthorised be allowed to comment on the matter. Everywhere there will be one or 2 old stled people, but the majority see a future and advancement. Its not a case of you must chose one or the other, but here it seems it is.

But you must also see what is perceived as pettiness on the GAA's side. Staunton has requested on 2 seperate occasions use of Croke Park. Now that is petty, and when refused for the latest one, he complained. I for one, dont see his logic. Playing away to San Marino, he wants to train in Croke Park, nearly 2 months before their first game there. There is a Gaelic game on 2 days before his requested date and the first rugby international is on 4 days after his date. It isnt logical and can be seen as annoying. They are having no such problems from the IRFU who have already submitted a time frame plan for use of the grounds for training and such like to the approval of Croke Park, so its not a case of use it on our terms.

I know many of you wont read all this, especially as I'm after stating I'm from a GAA background and that will already have set off the red lights, but all I'm saying is try not to be as blinkered in your hatred of the GAA. You'd be surprised at how many people like both sports and can play both and enjoy supporting both.

Now, after all that (been biting my tongue for a long time on here), you can beat me with 'you're biggot GAA supporter' stick!!

People are not branding every GAA follower as bigoted. The vast majority are not bigots. You do have nutcases (looks like there is the odd football nutter too see Merrion Square today) like the ones leading the charge in Thomas Davis or that Tipperary nutter Fogarty. You also have guys like Tommy Kenoy and Sean Kelly who are superb ambassadors for the GAA. I would strugle to find a bigoted comment or action by a GAA player in the Republic. There are numerous examples still by officials though. Virtually all football fans of a certain vintage will have firsthand experience of GAA bigotry. Most of it is in the past now.

Staunton's request is a valid one. Home advantage is gained by familiarity with the surroundings. It doesn't have to be a photo op as closed doors training is common in all sports I imagine. Using a game on Feb 3rd to deny access on Feb 5th seems a bit like clutching at straws. International football was played at Lansdowne Road for 106 years and I never heard of an issue between the FAI (or IFA) and IRFU making the press. I would love to see examples of the FAI triumphalism. In fact Delaney et al have said bugger all in efforts to avoid controversy much to the annoyance of some on here who think they should go on the attack re Tallaght.

[G-Man]

People are not branding every GAA follower as bigoted. The vast majority are not bigots. You do have nutcases (looks like there is the odd football nutter too see Merrion Square today) like the ones leading the charge in Thomas Davis or that Tipperary nutter Fogarty. You also have guys like Tommy Kenoy and Sean Kelly who are superb ambassadors for the GAA. I would strugle to find a bigoted comment or action by a GAA player in the Republic. There are numerous examples still by officials though. Virtually all football fans of a certain vintage will have firsthand experience of GAA bigotry. Most of it is in the past now.

Staunton's request is a valid one. Home advantage is gained by familiarity with the surroundings. It doesn't have to be a photo op as closed doors training is common in all sports I imagine. Using a game on Feb 3rd to deny access on Feb 5th seems a bit like clutching at straws. International football was played at Lansdowne Road for 106 years and I never heard of an issue between the FAI (or IFA) and IRFU making the press. I would love to see examples of the FAI triumphalism. In fact Delaney et al have said bugger all in efforts to avoid controversy much to the annoyance of some on here who think they should go on the attack re Tallaght.


Well there are quite a few on this thread who clearly dont like GAA folk! And there have been comments from the hierarchy of the FAI about the GAA, but anyway, I've said my piece on it.

With regards to Stauntons request, to try play 2 matches within 7 days in different sports (and one will be the first time so a bit of extra time with regards preparation will be needed), with different pitch requirements, goalposts, advertising etc. and fit in a training session in between, I think is a bit hard to do. I understand that he wants to familiarise the squad with the grounds, but the timing isnt the best and he should understand that. There hasnt been any issue with the IRFU looking for the ground for familiarisation time or anything, so why the FAI (or Stan) is getting annoyed is a bit silly IMO. Anyway, that is a very minor issue, and Fogarty making an issue of it just makes it worse, thats why he's basically been told to shut up by Brennan.

[gspain]

Well there are quite a few on this thread who clearly dont like GAA folk! And there have been comments from the hierarchy of the FAI about the GAA, but anyway, I've said my piece on it.

With regards to Stauntons request, to try play 2 matches within 7 days in different sports (and one will be the first time so a bit of extra time with regards preparation will be needed), with different pitch requirements, goalposts, advertising etc. and fit in a training session in between, I think is a bit hard to do. I understand that he wants to familiarise the squad with the grounds, but the timing isnt the best and he should understand that. There hasnt been any issue with the IRFU looking for the ground for familiarisation time or anything, so why the FAI (or Stan) is getting annoyed is a bit silly IMO. Anyway, that is a very minor issue, and Fogarty making an issue of it just makes it worse, thats why he's basically been told to shut up by Brennan.

What comments and from Who in the FAI hierarchy?

Can you provide a link to Brennan's comments on Fogarty? I'm very dubious about Brennan to be honest. The fact that he took a Sunday out in the middle of the championship to open Kevin Lynch park for Kevin Lynch GAA club in a ceremony that involved a paramilitary style parade gives an indication where he stands on certain issues.

The GAA match will be over by Feb 5th. A training session can an hour with just bibs and cones. I think it is being very very petty. I very much doubt if the IRFU would have a problem.

I think the reasons why some people on here don't like the GAA are obvious.
Thomas Davis GAA club and Fogarty do a lot of damage.

[G-Man]

Sorry for the lack of links, its one thing I dont like myself when people post randome quotes and messages. The comments from someone to do with the FAI was made at the opening ceromny for the Special Olympics, something to do with a ground built on bigotry. I dont have a link or who said it, so take into that whatever you may. All I am trying ot say is that it works both ways.

This is a link about the use of Croke Park for training purposes: http://www.gaa.ie/plugins/newsfeed.cgi?rm=content&plugin_data_id=16526

IRFU/FAI 2007 Games

It was agreed that two familiarisation sessions for the Irish Rugby team could take place in Croke Park in late January and training sessions in the week prior to the games. The IRFU had requested this facility. It was explained that a request from the FAI to use Croke Park for a training session on 5th February could not be accommodated because of the Allianz National League game on the 3rd and the Rugby International on the 11th February. It was stated by the President that any request received for an acceptable alternative date would be accommodated.

Nothing too sinister in that IMO.

There was a directive issued by the GAA Central Council that only croke park officials are to comment on the subject from now on, sorry again for the lack of a link.

And I can see why a lot wouldnt like the GAA due to Thomas Davis' actions and that from before too, and I understand that, but they are a small minority in a large organisation. Everyone is being tarred with the one brush and I just dont agree with that.

[NY Hoop]

keep it coming....it'll just go to the rubbish page :rolleyes:

Where your link belongs?

Anyway Rovers in court about now. Date for next month should be clarified.

KOH

[gspain]

I've yet to see anybody provide any link to any comment by any FAI official on Croke Park that is triumphalist. There is plewnty of guff from people like fogarty, Lynch and Brennan.

The mention of the special olympics was mentioned by Breheny in the Indo. He never named the official or his source. You may recall Humphries in th eTimes making a claim about FAI officials on the plane back from Belfast in 93. I've spoken to 3 people on that flght and his story is crap.

I still fail to understand how a training session on Feb 5th can impact on a game played on Feb 3rd.

[NY Hoop]

This is more important:

Court Update
14 Dec 2006. At the High Court today Judge Quirke set March 16th as the hearing of the Thomas Davis GAA Club appeal for a judicial review.

Yet more waiting which is exactly what TD wants.:mad:

KOH

[DvB]

This is more important:

Court Update
14 Dec 2006. At the High Court today Judge Quirke set March 16th as the hearing of the Thomas Davis GAA Club appeal for a judicial review.

Yet more waiting which is exactly what TD wants.:mad:

KOH

Being Paddys w/e it'll also no doubt make it easier for TD's council request yet another delay which is their base tactic anyway!!

How thoroughly frustrating is the irish legal system though!?? :mad:

Koh

[chippie0001]

Being Paddys w/e it'll also no doubt make it easier for TD's council request yet another delay which is their base tactic anyway!!

How thoroughly frustrating is the irish legal system though!?? :mad:

Koh

Better all vote FF in the election so that Jimmy Denihan does not become minister for sport or you are screwed. That said can't see FG win the next election so the GAA will be in no better position.

[paudie]

This is more important:

Court Update
14 Dec 2006. At the High Court today Judge Quirke set March 16th as the hearing of the Thomas Davis GAA Club appeal for a judicial review.

Yet more waiting which is exactly what TD wants.:mad:

KOH

I was at a course given by a barrister recently and he said that a decent barrister can keep a case going for ages (potentially years) by filing motions, getting adjournments etc.

Basically it's a game. TD have told their barrister to string it out. Unless Rovers and SDCC put pressure on their barrister to combat these tactics tooth and nail TD are laughing.

[gspain]

This is more important:

Court Update
14 Dec 2006. At the High Court today Judge Quirke set March 16th as the hearing of the Thomas Davis GAA Club appeal for a judicial review.

Yet more waiting which is exactly what TD wants.:mad:

KOH


That's awful news. Another win for the bigots.

[BohDiddley]

Nothing too sinister in that IMO...
they are a small minority in a large organisation. Everyone is being tarred with the one brush and I just dont agree with that.
You seem to take the position that the GAA can validly do nothing and somehow passively erase its history of bigotry and prejudice, and that a GAA official who doesn't act or speak spitefully towards football is a paragon of tolerance. But, given its history, the ban, Rule 42, the bullying in schools, and, in the present, the continued outbursts from 'the ranks', don't you think GAA's leaders should be actively trying to show goodwill towards other codes, rather than passively hoping that its disgraceful past will be forgotten?

There's an oft-spun PR line here that peddles the lie that those in the GAA who get up to this sort of nonsense are some lost old guard, like Japanese soldiers still fighting WWII in the jungle. But there is still evidence of the old anti 'English game' attitudes in the foot-dragging and inertia that happens whenever co-operation with football arises. It's not as if these people aren't being paid for facilities that otherwise would be empty.

I'm not an avid GAA (organization) watcher, but someone who seemed to know what they were talking about told me recently that, in the vote that overturned the farcical Rule 42, one third remained opposed. That's not a small minority. Let me know if I'm wrong about that.

[G-Man]

Didnt really want to comment anymore as this is bringing it too far off topic and dont want to be taking it away form the reall story of Shamrock Rovers ground.

I dont know if you were around during the time of the ban, and I dont know if you were bullied in school (neither of which I experienced) so maybe your dislike of the GAA stems further than most. But many here still harp on about the ban which ended over 30 years ago and wouldnt have seen for themselves. Yeah, the GAA made mistakes by and large, but cant we move on? Its like a sore chip on the shoulder. Sure if we bore grudges to everyhting that happened in the past no one would buy Audis, BMW's or Merc's because they come from Germany? Do you not think there is goodwill shown by the current leaders in the GAA? What do you want them to do, Sean Kelly was seen attending Irish international and extending best wishes to the FAI. If people here dont get over what happened years ago then there is no way forward, and I know it is deeply rooted in some, but others use it as a tool to lash into the GAA at any given oppertunity.

With regards to the voting on rule 42, there was 227 votes for, and 97 against. As far as I know, every northern Ireland county voted against it, and past presidents also get a vote so thats were the negative votes came from, along with a couple of others.

[bennocelt]

i know a lot of Ga heads, a few of them play for their county, and while they admit to liking "soccer", and will watch with me in the pub and chat about it, push them further.and they hate "soccer", they really do, and their whole outlook in life has is got to do with the Gaa, and the "commitment" that Ga players give,, blah blah blah
i had one fella telling me that Westlife was the greatest cause of all the hard work they did, entertain the fans.."just like Gaa players"!!!!

[gspain]

Only Cork and Monaghan in the Republic voted against opening Croke Park. All 6 NI counties did too. Interesting you mention the past presidents as they were the ones that tried to block the motion (and succeeded in the past)

Sean Kelly was as you say in no way a bigot and a superb ambassador for the GAA. The jury is out on the current incumbent.

I was very young when the ban was lifted. However certainly up until the mid 80's there would have been a lot of overt bigotry.

[G-Man]

Only Cork and Monaghan in the Republic voted against opening Croke Park. All 6 NI counties did too. Interesting you mention the past presidents as they were the ones that tried to block the motion (and succeeded in the past)

Sean Kelly was as you say in no way a bigot and a superb ambassador for the GAA. The jury is out on the current incumbent.

I was very young when the ban was lifted. However certainly up until the mid 80's there would have been a lot of overt bigotry.

That thing where the past president got the final say over what went out for a vote was absolutely ridiculous. I couldnt believe that when it happened. Of the current lot in power (basically Nicky Brennan), I wouldnt really think he has any agenda with regards to soccer. Nicky Brennan is a kilkenny man who has a passion for hurling, and thats where his priority lie. While you may see him as a GAA man, people in the GAA see him as a hurling man and he would be against Gaelic football generally. His reaction to cancelling the Int Rules shows that. Thats why hurling conties were wary of Sean Kelly as he would be a Gaeilc football orientated man.

Like I said, I'm not here to preach holier than thou, I am just saying there are 2 sides o everything and that many can enjoy and participate in both. In my case, I am on our clubs first team in football, and also the first team in Gaeilc and a sub for the first team in hurling. Of the 15/16 on the football first squad, 12/13 play for the gaeilc club too. My father is chairman of the Gaelic club and president of the soccer club and owns the soccer pitch. He was a member of the first team after the ban was lifted and helped set up the club. He has been selector with u.21 county teams in gaelic and is on the wexford county board. And our club isnt unique. Where I went to school, an extremely succesful GAA school, everyone of us were also playing soccer at weekends. In my year alone, there was I think 4 players on my schools Gaelic team that played for Mick Wallaces youth team.

Basically all I'm trying to say is that there is tolerance to both sections, maybe for some reason more so from where I am, but there is no evidence of bigotry either way, there is no bullying and everyone is free to play what they want. And most do. I'm not here to change your mind, I know there are a lot here that hate the GAA, but you want open mindeness from certain Gaa heads, what about the other way around?

[BohDiddley]

I dont know if you were around during the time of the ban, and I dont know if you were bullied in school (neither of which I experienced)
You're in denial here. Are you trying to say the ban never happened, or if it did that it's irrelevant now? And are you seriously suggesting that, just because it didn't happen to you, having GAA-only schools throughout the education system didn't represent coercion?
As for the voting figures on Rule 42, you've qualified your 'tiny minority' delusion with the opinion that these inconvenient people don't matter anyway because they're northerners.
It seems to me that you will engage in any twist of self-deception that allows you to cling to the belief that the GAA is above reproach. The last blast of GAA atavism didn't come from some ghoul you'd rather leave buried in south Armagh. It came from Tipperary.

[bennocelt]

Like I said, I'm not here to preach holier than thou, I am just saying there are 2 sides o everything and that many can enjoy and participate in both. In my case, I am on our clubs first team in football, and also the first team in Gaeilc and a sub for the first team in hurling. Of the 15/16 on the football first squad, 12/13 play for the gaeilc club too. My father is chairman of the Gaelic club and president of the soccer club and owns the soccer pitch. He was a member of the first team after the ban was lifted and helped set up the club. He has been selector with u.21 county teams in gaelic and is on the wexford county board. And our club isnt unique. Where I went to school, an extremely succesful GAA school, everyone of us were also playing soccer at weekends. In my year alone, there was I think 4 players on my schools Gaelic team that played for Mick Wallaces youth team.

Basically all I'm trying to say is that there is tolerance to both sections, maybe for some reason more so from where I am, but there is no evidence of bigotry either way, there is no bullying and everyone is free to play what they want. And most do. I'm not here to change your mind, I know there are a lot here that hate the GAA, but you want open mindeness from certain Gaa heads, what about the other way around?


thats all very well, but i know many decent young football players who had "pressure" put on them by the Ga club and maybe their parents to give up playing and concentrate on gealic,
also i find it very amusing how the Ga always seem to have their training sessions on at exactly the same time as the football

[G-Man]

You're in denial here. Are you trying to say the ban never happened, or if it did that it's irrelevant now? And are you seriously suggesting that, just because it didn't happen to you, having GAA-only schools throughout the education system didn't represent coercion?
As for the voting figures on Rule 42, you've qualified your 'tiny minority' delusion with the opinion that these inconvenient people don't matter anyway because they're northerners.
It seems to me that you will engage in any twist of self-deception that allows you to cling to the belief that the GAA is above reproach. The last blast of GAA atavism didn't come from some ghoul you'd rather leave buried in south Armagh. It came from Tipperary.


Ah here, you're taking me up wrong altogether. The ban happened, all I'm saying is it happened over 30 years ago. The GAA isnt above reroach. Sure the papers lately have loads of stories of violence in games and Brennan came out with a statement the he wants this behaviour to stop. They arent perfect, far from it, but beating them over a rule abolished over 30 years ago isnt going to serve any purpose.

And I never said a tiny minority voted against opening Croke Park, but the majority against it were Northern counties and I dont want to open up further debate regarding there stance and political status. All I'll say is that many in hurling counties in the Republic were very agrieved with the northern counties stance as they wanted to stop Croke Park being opened up but yet wouldnt try promote hurling there.

And I already pointed out that it was someone from Tipperary who made the stupid comments about the FAI lately. And I think it was stupid and the GAA issued a directive that no one outside of those in Croke Park could comment on it as men like him are an embarrasment and create all this divide that can be clearly seen here.

You can take my comments any way you want, like i said, I'm trying to put forward an unbiased view. The GAA are far from perfect, I know that, but if you want bigotry to end you have to end it on both sides. The rules made regarding the ban and the grounds were made in very different times to these where there was a struggle to retain national sports. It took far too long to amend these however.

And bennocelts comment on training being on at the same time as football, I dont get. What football and whose training. If you mean football being shown on TV, well there is effectively at least one game shown on Sky sports every eving of the week, so any one doing any training is going to coincide with that. I have soccer training on at the same time as champions league games, but the club cant help that, its just the way it is.

[pete]

also i find it very amusing how the Ga always seem to have their training sessions on at exactly the same time as the football

I heard that GAA clubs so hard up for players in Dublin that kids teams playing mid week so as not to clash with football games at the weekend.

Apart from a good run in the 70s the dublin senior gaelic football team have won feck all. Easy to see why no GAA role models for dublin kids.

[dynamo kerry]

A statement that is wrong on so many levels!

and the sad thing is YOU know it too!


how did you get over 1000 posts without having a burst blood vessel.

he's fishing you know.

and right

anyway- for once I'm with rovers