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Schumi
29/11/2006, 10:10 PM
16 players awarded scholarships this year. I count 8 that have played for the first team already. http://www.ucd.ie/news/nov06/112906_sports_scholarships.htm

Players are:

Billy Brennan (Kilkenny)
John Brophy (Dublin)
Conan Byrne (Dublin)
Ronan Finn (Dublin)
Shane Flynn (Dublin)
Darren Forsyth (Dublin)
Kieran Harte (Donegal)
Damien Kelly (Kilkenny)
David Last (Dublin)
Aaran McEneff (Dublin)
Evan McMillan (Dublin)
Francis Moran (Dublin)
Gerard O’Callaghan (Monaghan)
Eoin O’Cinneide (Dublin)
Declan O’Donnell (Donegal)
James O’Sullivan (Tipperary)
CollegeTillIDie
01/12/2006, 6:28 AM
Ah another O'Donnell from County Donegal! Surely success is guaranteed! :D

and gazing into my crystal ball ...
Billy Brennan and Damien Kelly to go on loan to Kilkenny City in 2008 ;)
BohsFans
07/12/2006, 5:39 PM
So UCD and not UCD FC foot the bill for their education. Correct?
Student Mullet
07/12/2006, 5:44 PM
So UCD and not UCD FC foot the bill for their education. Correct?If they applied through the CAO the government foots the bill (the same as anyone else).

The only exception would be students in sports management who can apply either through the CAO or through an application to UCD, in the second case the soccer club pays.
Burnsie
07/12/2006, 11:45 PM
but surely the scholarship involves an extra grant beyond free third-level education??
Student Mullet
08/12/2006, 12:06 AM
but surely the scholarship involves an extra grant beyond free third-level education??It does but the education part is payed for by the government, same as you and me.
John83
08/12/2006, 4:39 PM
It does but the education part is payed for by the government, same as you and me.
And the extra money comes from the club, right?
Student Mullet
08/12/2006, 4:41 PM
And the extra money comes from the club, right?Yep but the question was who pays for the education.
pineapple stu
08/12/2006, 5:40 PM
How many of our top players - say, those who end up playing with any sort of regularity for the first team - do a course other than sports management these days?

Back in the day, you had Clive and Kenfold doing Commerce, Alan Mahon in Arts, Gavin Whelan in Science, etc. Doesn't seem to be the case these days from what I can tell?
thegit
08/12/2006, 6:23 PM
How could UCD FC pay for the eduaction what money have they got. I think everyone in football knows the sports management course is a joke, even the FAI and for that reason you might not get into the new league.
Aberdonian Stu
08/12/2006, 9:07 PM
If the gate money was the only source of income you'd have a valid point but thankfully we do a good job fundraising.
CollegeTillIDie
08/12/2006, 9:37 PM
If the gate money was the only source of income for clubs..... Shels would never have won a single League title :D
thegit
09/12/2006, 7:22 AM
Fund raising? There must be a lot of it.:confused:
Student Mullet
09/12/2006, 10:40 AM
How could UCD FC pay for the eduaction what money have they got.You're contradicting yourself a bit there. Last week you were saying we have no need for money, this week we don't have enough.

There's 2 cources in sports management. One is an ordinary degree and the other a certificate. The first is less of a joke than the second.

And yes, the club does a lot of fundraising.
pineapple stu
09/12/2006, 11:41 AM
Fund raising? There must be a lot of it.:confused:
Superleague, alumni dinner (http://www.ucdsoccer.com/eircom/gallery.php?cat=2005%20Alumni%20dinner&photo=1069), jersey sponsorship, golf outings, summer soccer camps...
BohsFans
09/12/2006, 8:35 PM
So let me get this straight, the Government pays the education fees (or registration - CAO) of all players at UCD who go to college there?

UCD FC pay their wages.

UCD let them have a ground for free, in return for 'representing' the college.


Is that right?
Student Mullet
09/12/2006, 9:14 PM
So let me get this straight, the Government pays the education fees (or registration - CAO) of all players at UCD who go to college there?

UCD FC pay their wages.

UCD let them have a ground for free, in return for 'representing' the college.


Is that right?Everything except the quotation marks around the word 'representing'.
CollegeTillIDie
09/12/2006, 9:19 PM
Well we are the best administered club in the entire League. Because we are the only club the PFAI didn't have to speak to concerning unpaid wages to players.
thegit
10/12/2006, 8:08 AM
Can I not ask a question student mullet? I didn't realise that the government paid the college fees. And as far as wages go Tony Mc Donnell is the only one who has a wage worth mentioning as far as I heard all the so called students earn pitance:confused:
pineapple stu
10/12/2006, 12:08 PM
No idea re wages, although I remember a story about James Timmons looking for £75 a week about six years ago. But the bottom line is the players are evidently happy with the wages they're getting as we've a solid squad who've been around for three years or so. Obviously not going to be able to compete with full time offers from cross channel though.
BohsFans
10/12/2006, 4:10 PM
Well we are the best administered club in the entire League. Because we are the only club the PFAI didn't have to speak to concerning unpaid wages to players.

Minnowism at it's finest.

"The PFAI never had to talk to us, we're the best administered club in the league (claim)"

"We always win the Fair play trophy"


**** sake lads, hardly stuff to be proud of or stuff to boast about!

Winning trophies or qualifying for competitions is what it's all about, not that other crap (btw I know you can qualify for Europe through FAIR play, but is a very long shot)!
pineapple stu
10/12/2006, 7:30 PM
Actually, it's not minnowism at all. We know we're a small club, but because we're well administered, we consistently punch above our level. It's partly because we're well administered and, for example, Bohs are a shambles (or recovering from a shambles) that we finished ahead of you in the league.

If it were all about winning trophies, half the teams in the league would have given up by now. It's about coming as high up as you can with the resources available to you, and in that regard, we're bloody successful. If we get a following of the level of Cork or Derry, we'd be the best club in the league.

CTID may have been excessively proud of our achievements, but that doesn't qualify them as minnowism.
BohsFans
10/12/2006, 7:37 PM
CTID may have been excessively proud of our achievements, but that doesn't qualify them as minnowism.

from the outside looking in, it certainly does!
pineapple stu
10/12/2006, 7:39 PM
Well, I just explained why they weren't in the part of the post you cut out!!
BohsFans
10/12/2006, 11:02 PM
Well, I just explained why they weren't in the part of the post you cut out!!

Don't worry, I still think it's minnowism! :)
pineapple stu
11/12/2006, 12:50 PM
That's what I'd expect a club in the bottom half of the table to say. :)
BohsFans
11/12/2006, 11:20 PM
That's what I'd expect a club in the bottom half of the table to say. :)

Actually check again, we're top! :D
pineapple stu
12/12/2006, 8:29 AM
And we're second off the field. :)
BohsFans
12/12/2006, 3:47 PM
And we're second off the field. :)

We outnumber your home support any time we go to Belfield. :p
John83
12/12/2006, 3:57 PM
We outnumber your home support any time we go to Belfield. :p
The same is true whenever you visit Tolka. I don't really care.
BrayUnknowns
12/12/2006, 4:00 PM
Well we are the best administered club in the entire League. Because we are the only club the PFAI didn't have to speak to concerning unpaid wages to players.

We have never missed a player payment, a player might have went to the PFAI about an issue he had but it certianly wasn't for non payment of wages
John83
12/12/2006, 4:08 PM
We have never missed a player payment, a player might have went to the PFAI about an issue he had but it certianly wasn't for non payment of wages
Yeah, I think CTID was misquoting there. It's been said that we're the only club the PFAI haven't had to deal with at all, but I'm sure that more than a few other clubs have only had a few minor scrapes.
johnmayo
12/12/2006, 4:44 PM
A few years I put players from my club towards scholarships (never got one ) from what I remember since the free fees came in the scholarships took care of things like

Accommodation
Living Expenses
Payment for Books
Free Physiotherapy treatment if injured
Free Membership of the Fitness Centre
Free equipment

I think it is pretty dependent on the circumstances of the player involved

but I would not be able to stand up in court on this :o