View Full Version : Dundalk up the Ante
MyTown
28/11/2006, 9:55 AM
Following their play off win at the weekend, Dundalk have begun to get things moving with loads of airtime on RTE Radio 1 yesterday lunch time and evening.
It was a fairly skillful lobby with a very simple message. We did it on the pitch. How can you deny us a seat at the top table?
I don't want to rehash all the arguments about who signed up for what. I'm simply pointing out that they are very skillfully (and reasonably too) putting pressure on the powers that be as the clock ticks down to December 11th.
You could argue that they are trying to move the goalposts very late in the day. But most soccer fans would have sympathy for a team that let their football do the talking and got the results on the pitch.
Not everyone will like this tactic, but I know I'd expect our Board to do exactly the same if we were play off winners.
There's more on this in the Eircom League forum (Dundalk win play off) if ye're interested.
gufct
28/11/2006, 10:11 AM
John Gill has been whinging all year but the powers that be in Oriel know that they are snookered by their four year form and other licencing issues and they have told me they dont expect to go up.
marley
28/11/2006, 10:33 AM
As your so privy to what goes on in Oriel Park what other licensing issues are there
JC_GUFC
28/11/2006, 10:44 AM
As your so privy to what goes on in Oriel Park what other licensing issues are there
I'd say that being small-minded and playing your games on Thursday nights because "you make more money renting out the bar on Fridays" probably is not the professional approach John Delaney is after for the Premier.
As it stands now Dundalk are ranked above Waterford in this season's league table and appear likely to drop out of the top 12. If neither of us go up it should be a very interesting 1st Division next season.
Terry
28/11/2006, 11:13 AM
wouldnt it be funny if we just scrapped in ahead of say waterford because dundalk beat them in the play offs :D
Lim till i die
28/11/2006, 11:16 AM
wouldnt it be funny if we just scrapped in ahead of say waterford because dundalk beat them in the play offs :D
NO!! :eek: :p
Terry
28/11/2006, 11:24 AM
Hell Limerick could get in if all the dubland clubs got screwed over because of there debts problems over the past few years!!! I have decided to look at everything about this whole invite process as laughable from now on as there is no clear way of doing it by the book
Lim till i die
28/11/2006, 11:41 AM
Hell Limerick could get in if all the dubland clubs got screwed over because of there debts problems over the past few years!!! I have decided to look at everything about this whole invite process as laughable from now on as there is no clear way of doing it by the book
I see the 12 team Premier now:
Limerick
Galway
Athlone
Cork
Waterford
Cobh
Sligo
Longford
Finn Harps
Monaghan
Derry City
and The East Coast Eagles (TM incase your fuppin reading Delaney), an imalgimated club formed to finally settle the problem of too many Dublin clubs fighting for scraps :ball:
Terry
28/11/2006, 12:29 PM
when did wimbledon change there name to "the east coast eagles" ?? :D
Lim till i die
28/11/2006, 1:10 PM
when did wimbledon change there name to "the east coast eagles" ?? :D
Do you not like it??
It was Eamon Dunphys idea :)
Thats the thing, he says they did it on the pitch but still
doesn't realise that there was nothing to play for apart from
extra ranking points.
Calling it a playoff is where all the confusion lies as it is not a
promotion/relegation playoff on account of the entire league
being scrapped and clubs asked to reapply.
Do they deserve the extra ranking points ... Yes, as they won the game
Do they deserve to be in the new Premier Division ... If their overall score
from playing record and other licensing issues aren't good enough, then No
GuisaSaigon
28/11/2006, 2:05 PM
By even having a playoff game the FAI have opened up a can of worms. Surely with all the thought that went into how points were to be allocated there shouldn't have been any need for a playoff. Now we have a situation where Dundalk will feel hard done by when they dont go up, this could have been avoided by keeping the system simple and not confusing people with pointless playoffs.
I am sick and tired of thinking about what the FAI are going to do. When I first heard about this new league I was optimistic but now I'm not so sure.
At the risk of being fined by the FAI I'd say next season will be just as much of a shambles as usual.
Spot on Ash as ive said before if clubs have worked their asses off to get their house in order why should teams who mortgaged their futures be rewarded.
On another point i still feel a properly adminisitered 16 team premier is the only way to go. Athlones new stand and ground are a credit to ye and miles ahead of most other premier teams facilities.
Calling it a playoff is where all the confusion lies as it is not a
promotion/relegation playoff on account of the entire league
being scrapped and clubs asked to reapply.
But it was a promotion/relegation playoff. Dundalk got promoted, Waterford got relegated.
Now the old league has been totally scrapped, there is no-one in the premier division, and it will be populated according to FAI criteria.
But it was a promotion/relegation playoff. Dundalk got promoted, Waterford got relegated.
Now the old league has been totally scrapped, there is no-one in the premier division, and it will be populated according to FAI criteria.
But there was never going to be a League for them to get promoted to
as the current League ceases to exist. You cant get promoted to something
thats not there.
If they apply to be in the new Premier and fail then thats exactly what it is,
a failed/rejected application due to a points ranking outside the top 12.
Same as Waterford, they weren't relegated into anything and so when they
apply to the new League if they are accepted it will be an accepted application
and if not its rejected, but accepted for the new First Division.
Surely, for a split second after the final whistle, they got promoted, before the league was dissolved.
I do agree with your second line, btw.
ciaraa
28/11/2006, 3:00 PM
The East Coast Eagles
Ha ha ... brilliant.
Surely, for a split second after the final whistle, they got promoted, before the league was dissolved.
I do agree with your second line, btw.
As the final whistle blew the League disappeared in a puff of smoke :D
Probably a silly question and may have been asked elsewhere, but as this
is a new League ... will clubs previous League honours be looked on totally separately as they are from the old league?
Poor Student
28/11/2006, 3:10 PM
Ash, you're buying too much into Delaney's rhetoric. It's a load of nonsense backwards engineered from him wanting to have certain clubs in the new league.
Ash, you're buying too much into Delaney's rhetoric.
In that case so is every Club who voted for it.
Clubs signed up to this new application process based on points criteria so
theres no point in p!ssing and moaning about promotion and relegation now, IMHO :)
At the end of the day, we're not going to be in it so I don't care how Delaney
carves up the rest of the places.
Although it would amuse me to see John Gill stuck in the 2nd tier for as long as he lives
Conor H
28/11/2006, 3:22 PM
Ash, you're buying too much into Delaney's rhetoric. It's a load of nonsense backwards engineered from him wanting to have certain clubs in the new league.
Maybe so but it has to be transperant and indicate how every team suceeded or failed in getting into the Top 12.They can't say Waterford got in it cause John Delaney said so.
Maybe so but it has to be transperant and indicate how every team suceeded or failed in getting into the Top 12.They can't say Waterford got in it cause John Delaney said so.
Yep, if when the Divisions are decided its shown clearly the breakdown of
points for each club then no team can complain about where they are placed.
Unless that is there are inconsistencies in the points per criteria
WeAreRovers
28/11/2006, 4:22 PM
will clubs previous League honours be looked on totally separately as they are from the old league?
No way, no how!! :D
KOH
WeAreRovers
28/11/2006, 4:23 PM
On second thoughts it'd mean Shels couldn't catch us so maybe..... I'll get back to you.
KOH
pineapple stu
28/11/2006, 4:42 PM
Maybe so but it has to be transperant and indicate how every team suceeded or failed in getting into the Top 12.They can't say Waterford got in it cause John Delaney said so.
Why not? This is the FAI we're talking about. I would be amazed if they released a points tally, for example. Especially given that previous points tallies distributed by the FAI and as posted on here were actually wrong.
Patrick Dunne
28/11/2006, 4:54 PM
I will respect any decision taken if it is transparent and can be linked to the IAG report. However, I don't think it will be.
serious tax issues,cork are going back fully part time,dundalk dont have a proper pitch which gives them an unfair advantage,sham rvs dont have a home-and these are clubs who might get into it ahead of the likes of ourselves,cobh,bray who dont have any off pitch issues of note.theres so many issues for and against some clubs.whats really pi**ing me off is that the IAG will only be recommending clubs to the FAI and their decision isnt final.so ive a qs,was there any FAI officals present the day the presentations were made to the IAG???if there wasnt then what was the point of presenting a case to them because the FAI is an own boys clubs who will keep the likes of s.rvs,shels in it despite them maybe not being recommended by the IAG.
i cant remember the last time an issue got so many posts on any m.b or forum.i think the paul marney affair on the old eircom.net mb would be the only thing able to rival this for amount of discussion generated:) .
cork are going back fully part time,
No were not. Teh way rumours suddenly become fact on here is hilarious
inthestand99
28/11/2006, 8:08 PM
The IAG will not be making the decisions, the FAI will. If they so desire they can completley disregard what the IAG recommend. As you all know lads and lassies the FAI are even less predictable than the weather were having at the moment. When the announcement is made John D will blind us all with his own brand of science and expect us all to be as convinced as he is that his is the only way forward. On the other hand if complete transparency exists and all things appear equal!!! people still wont be happy. Someone has to loose out. If the worst happens and GUFC dont get the nod the fact that we didnt mortgage the family silver will stand to us and the improvements made on and off the field over the last while will make GUFC some force in the so called First division next season. Bring it on!!!!!!
pineapple stu
28/11/2006, 8:09 PM
If the worst happens...the improvements made on and off the field over the last while will make GUFC some force in the so called First division next season. Bring it on!!!!!!
I dunno - if we get screwed over, we'll walk all over you next season just like in 2004. ;)
inthestand99
28/11/2006, 8:24 PM
I think you misunderstood me stu. We will be in the Elite for 2007!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. I think you guys are in bum twitching territory right now.
geezer
28/11/2006, 8:52 PM
dundalk manager was on radio 1 at 6.30 this evening with Des cahill saying it would be a travesty of justice if they dont get in. There PR machine in dundalk is in full spin now and they will make it hot and heavy for the fai. It will be interesting to see the fine he gets for bringing the game into disrepute in a fashion unrivalled this season. i suppose thsi multo millionaire business man white knight from dundalk will cough up the dough. Jesus the way gill was talking they had bigger plans than chelsea for world domination.
i do have to say though their fans travel in big numbers and i have an ounce of sympathy for them
inthestand99
28/11/2006, 8:59 PM
The SUGARDADDYS soon get fed up pouring money in the black holes that are most EL clubs. The Dundalk dons will move on someday too and they will be back where the have been so many times lately, still clutching to their excuse for playing on a Thursday night. The aforementioned manager will head down the M1 too as soon as it goes pearshaped.
Paddyfield
28/11/2006, 9:08 PM
...cork are going back fully part time,...
Hmmmm. Last season, Cork were partly full time. Next season, they are going fully part time. :D
exiled_gufc_fan
30/11/2006, 1:06 PM
The IAG will not be making the decisions, the FAI will. If they so desire they can completley disregard what the IAG recommend. As you all know lads and lassies the FAI are even less predictable than the weather were having at the moment. When the announcement is made John D will blind us all with his own brand of science and expect us all to be as convinced as he is that his is the only way forward.
It really wouldn't surprise me if, say, they were to decide that only clubs with the letter "S" in their name were to be in the Premier Division! :D
and would that be just the one "S" like the "No Homers Rule":D
GUISAUltra
30/11/2006, 4:55 PM
Another good thing that came out of the AGM last night. They were talking about how Dundalk are trying to put a squeeze on the IAG and the FAI to get themselves promoted. They are nearly 100% sure that they will not be influenced that anything Dundalk are saying now because Dundalk knew what they signed up to at the start and they wont just include them because of winning the playoffs
"dundalk manager was on radio 1 at 6.30 this evening with Des cahill saying it would be a travesty of justice if they dont get in."
Dundalk voted in favour of the new FAI-led regime and all that entailed. End of story.
Poor Student
05/12/2006, 10:57 AM
"dundalk manager was on radio 1 at 6.30 this evening with Des cahill saying it would be a travesty of justice if they dont get in."
Dundalk voted in favour of the new FAI-led regime and all that entailed. End of story.
I happened to be looking on a Leinster Senior League forum the other day and somehow it seems a lot of Dundalk fans are convinced the playoff was only invented a few weeks ago. One guy even said a player who is a relation of his is livid about it!
Terry
05/12/2006, 10:59 AM
they're thinking that PS as that is what there club is saying too apparently, a case of the blind leading the blind me thinks.
GUISAUltra
05/12/2006, 6:17 PM
the play off was in the criteria right from the start on the FAI website, people only realised it towards the end of the season
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