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I think we can assume the following clubs will be invited:
1. Shels
2. Derry City
3. Cork City
4. Drogs
5. Bohs
6. Sligo
7. St Pats
8. Longford.
9. Shamrock Rovers
I think that makes 3 places up for grabs with at most 5 candidates.
(Only 3 votes per person please)
DmanDmythDledge
23/11/2006, 3:47 PM
You put Bohs in twice.
IMO UCD, Waterford and Bray/Galway will fill the remaining places.
You have Bohs in twice Pete, to be sure to be sure maybe ?
Edited.
3 from 5 now...
Who i think and who i want are two different things so hand on heart i think you will have a case that it is the 11 teams that finished the season in the Premier and Shams will be the 11 in the new division next year.
great thread for maths this...
BTW Harps are as close to geting in as Dundalk or Galway...
A face
23/11/2006, 5:11 PM
Its going to be Waterford, Limerick and Galway ..... you heard it here first.
Drumcondra Red
23/11/2006, 5:16 PM
I went Bray, UCD and Galway, 2 trips I enjoy (kinda) and want an excuse to get to Galway!!!
garyderry
23/11/2006, 5:24 PM
I went Bray, UCD and Galway, 2 trips I enjoy (kinda) and want an excuse to get to Galway!!!
you can hardly call ucd and bray trips they are more like home matches ;)
Drumcondra Red
23/11/2006, 5:27 PM
you can hardly call ucd and bray trips they are more like home matches ;)
Anything more then a 5 minute walk is a trip!!! Bray great, just for the bar at the DART station!!! UCD, well UCD, I'm not sure about that one, good laugh though... :o
Trainee
23/11/2006, 5:34 PM
UCD seem to have done enough this season so 70% safe
Waterford seem to be safe due the Dealney connection
Dundalk had to win the 1st division to have any chance so they wont be there
So it looks to between Bray and Galway united for the last place
1. Shels
2. Derry City
3. Cork City
4. Drogs
5. Bohs
6. Sligo
7. St Pats
8. Longford.
9. Shamrock Rovers
10.UCD
11.Waterford Utd
12.Bray/Galway united
But remember Its the FAI decision so anything can happen
pineapple stu
23/11/2006, 6:21 PM
I'd vote in a "Who do you want in the Premier" poll, but I long ago gave up trying to anticipate the FAI's decisions, so not voting here...
BrayUnknowns
23/11/2006, 6:36 PM
If they stick to the rules they have set out themselves then Bray will be in the premier next season. On the field we are ranked 10th in points and out most likely challangers for that spot would be Galway who are quite soe way behind us, on the field even Sligo are well behind us over the past few seasons.
Our off the field will be no problem what so ever, were one of the best run clubs in the league.
Bray will be in the Premiership for 2007.
In no order......
1. Shels
2. Derry City
3. Cork City
4. Drogs
5. Bohs
6. Sligo
7. St Pats
8. Longford
9. Shamrock Rovers
10. Bray
11. Waterford
12. UCD / Galway Dundalk / Finn Harps / Athlone
I really think the last spot up for grabs is betwee any number of sides. On the field UCD are miles ahead of any of the current 1st division sides, but it's there off field that they should be concerened about, but IMO they deserve to be there as they are a very good side and are easily one of the best 12 teams in the country. 2 current irish U21 internationals in there ranks says it all really.
EDIT:
Just looked at the poll results, im just wondering why people think that the likes of Galway or Dundalk would be invited ahead of Bray, especially considering there on the field preformances over the past 5 seasons.
FHFC go into the off-field section of the process ahead of both Dundalk and Galway United, so I don't see why they're in there and we're not.
As I have said before though, all indications are that next year's premier will be the current 11 plus Shamrock Rovers.
pineapple stu
23/11/2006, 6:44 PM
2 current irish U21 internationals in there ranks says it all really.
And a B international, and a third player who would have gotten an U-21 cap last year but for injury (Conor Kenna).
gael353
23/11/2006, 6:58 PM
Its going to be Waterford, Limerick and Galway ..... you heard it here first.
No id just say waterford. Galway need it more then any cos of the huge financial outlay from this season. Cant see us getting it unless a zillionaire of a polish businessman comes in and takes us over ;)
Student Mullet
23/11/2006, 6:58 PM
FHFC go into the off-field section of the process ahead of both Dundalk and Galway United, so I don't see why they're in there and we're not.Tell your club!
http://www.finnharps.com/
The club hope to appoint a successor at the earliest possible opportunity in preparation for next season's promotion challenge.
There's a difference between FHFC recognizing that it's unlikely that we will be promoted and this poll which seems to indicate that a team currently three places below us in the football standings has a better chance of making it than we do.
Who i think and who i want are two different things so hand on heart i think you will have a case that it is the 11 teams that finished the season in the Premier and Shams will be the 12 in the new division next year.
I agree, I honestly cannot see GUFC making up the points on the teams currently in the top12 after the points allocation for the on the field criterias. We had to finish in the top 2 to be in with a chance, BUT, who really knows? remember its the FAI and the rule book can change at any time to suit whatever!!!:rolleyes:
Raheny Red
23/11/2006, 7:33 PM
Kepp voting folks, the FAI will use these results for the forthcoming season!
pineapple stu
23/11/2006, 8:29 PM
We had to finish in the top 2 to be in with a chance, BUT, who really knows? remember its the FAI and the rule book can change at any time to suit whatever!!!:rolleyes:
Can't see how an extra place would make any difference if we're assuming the criteria will be applied fairly?
Remember also the crucial line that the IAG's recommendations are subject to the FAI's approval. Anything's possible.
GuisaSaigon
23/11/2006, 8:51 PM
Galway need it more then any cos of the huge financial outlay from this season.
what do you mean "huge financial outlay" if you mean to imply that United are overspending in an attempt to reach the premier division then you would be mistaken.Rumour has it that we have finished the season with a surplus which would be a lot better than many clubs premier or first division.
sniffa
23/11/2006, 9:01 PM
I can't see Galway or Dundalk being promoted even though it looks like they want Galway up there.
If Galway was elected at the expense of Bray or Waterford or UCD would the demoted club launch a legal challenge?
Would the prospect of the all new bells-and-whistles-supa-dupa-zippitty-dooda-league being delayed with bad press be a deterant to bringing Galway in?
Did the clubs, when agreeing to the takeover of the league, sign away their right to appeal?
Kepp voting folks, the FAI will use these results for the forthcoming season!
Can the league "Petes Super FAI League" then. :D
DmanDmythDledge
23/11/2006, 9:29 PM
12. UCD / Galway Dundalk / Finn Harps / Athlone
I really think the last spot up for grabs is betwee any number of sides. On the field UCD are miles ahead of any of the current 1st division sides, but it's there off field that they should be concerened about, but IMO they deserve to be there as they are a very good side and are easily one of the best 12 teams in the country. 2 current irish U21 internationals in there ranks says it all really.
How can you say that Bray are guaranteed to be in the Premier next year and then say that UCD aren't? UCD outscore Bray in almost every department.
CollegeTillIDie
23/11/2006, 10:24 PM
Like a 6th place this season for one. Our five year record is better than most of the First Division muck savage clubs,which failed to gain promotion on merit on the field, being touted on grounds of location .
Like a 6th place this season for one.
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I believe your 6th place this year may have ensured your invite. If you finished say 10th would be in real trouble.
[QUOTE=CollegeTillIDie;580772]Our five year record is better than most of the First Division muck savage clubs, which failed to gain promotion on merit on the field, being touted on grounds of location .
Careful now. While you look safe no guarantee you won;t be muck savages yourselfs next year.
While there is no promotion-relegation playoff it will be more difficult to remove a club that would have been promoted or would have stayed in Premier if not changes.
Schumi
24/11/2006, 10:41 AM
Careful now. While you look safe no guarantee you won;t be muck savages yourselfs next year.
We'll never be muck savages, we're from Dublin. :D
We'll never be muck savages, we're from Dublin. :D
Isn't Belfield in County Dublin or is that Booterstown?
pineapple stu
24/11/2006, 4:38 PM
Belfield is D4. Booterstown is Co Dublin.
Da Real Rover
24/11/2006, 6:35 PM
would love to see dundalk up, great fan base and one of the most illustrious historys in the league, would be a fine addition to the league. UCD will probly be safe and id say shams will go up aswell.
CollegeTillIDie
24/11/2006, 7:27 PM
One thing the FAI have to take on board with this merger and their new Uberliga. As long as real football retains it's basic principle of being a meritocracy it will remain the World's greatest game. Screw with that basic principle and who knows where it could lead?
Screw with that basic principle and who knows where it could lead?
This invite is a once off. Eventhough this is not a breakaway those types of leagues typically have an entry criteria. The FAI could just as easily have said you need minimum number of stand seats or terrace. As Belfield only has temporary seating UCD would be excluded. As i've said numerous times before the clubs voted in favour of this process. I believe UCD are safe however being made to sit in the 1st division for one season would have zero impact on you in the long term. You won't lose monye, crowds or players & would most likely get promoted next season anyway.
Poor Student
24/11/2006, 9:12 PM
Pete, it could set the club's progress back a lot. There's a lot of players that may not stick around if we're sent to the First Division. UCD are only getting themselves back in order after the damage of Doolin's reign. It would be an awful kick in the teeth for the club. I am confident we could get back into the Premier but right now we're on the verge of being best of the rest outside of the European places. Our forward momentum of the last three years will be kicked into sharp reverse.
DmanDmythDledge
26/11/2006, 10:02 PM
being made to sit in the 1st division for one season would have zero impact on you in the long term. You won't lose monye, crowds or players & would most likely get promoted next season anyway.
If you look at the attendences thread it is clear that our attendences will be down and we would obviously lose players.
Superhoops
26/11/2006, 10:11 PM
Bray, Waterford and Dundalk.
Conor H
26/11/2006, 10:13 PM
Whoever said Harps will outscore UTD off the field is talking through their arse and they know it.
I reackon the 3 teams will be....
UTD
Waterford
UCD.
I can see us pipping Bray to it if any team.
Whoever said Harps will outscore UTD off the field is talking through their arse and they know it.
Galway might well outscore us off the pitch, but I don't think it's anywhere near as clearcut as you seem to think Conor.
On the 10% for Infrastructure 60% is for future plans- and we certainly hold the upper hand there. Of the other 40% most of the marks are for fairly straightforward stuff, but Galway would obviously be somewhat ahead on current facilities.
On the 15% for club licensing- hard to say which way this would go, wouldn't say there'd be much in it though.
15% for strategic planning etc. Both clubs have a clean licensing record, strategic plans and from our problems this season we can certainly show how our financial control and monitoring works. Galway probably present their plans much more slickly, but we can point to a completed five year plan as we move into a new planning cycle. Again probably no clear winner here.
10% for target market, attendances and population density- both have big areas to themselves, Galway have by far the upper hand on crowds this year but Harps probably have better over the past couple of seasons which count too. Again I can't see a really clear winner here.
Of course the IAG may have their own ideas (and anyway assessing this stuff on the basis of a 1 hour presentation is a fooking joke), and be simply ignored by the FAI anyway, but as I read the stuff Conor I don't see quite why you're so dismissive of us.
Mental Man
27/11/2006, 7:41 AM
The IAG has now done the assessment of all the clubs in the country and have brought forward their results to the FAI who will now decide who stays up/down in the respective divisions.
EVERY CLUB agreed to this set-up and no pint in whinging about it now, the only club that didnt agree is the now defunct CHF.
As far as i know the present 11 teams in the premiere will stay but will be joined by Rovers for 2007 season.
But as i said its the FAI will now make the decision.
Magicme
27/11/2006, 8:06 AM
No Mons didnt agree to it and we have no chance of being part of this league unless all the other teams above us go bust.....where did i put the direct line number to the collector general?? :D
EVERY CLUB agreed to this set-up and no pint in whinging about it now, the only club that didnt agree is the now defunct CHF.
As far as i know the present 11 teams in the premiere will stay but will be joined by Rovers for 2007 season.
But as i said its the FAI will now make the decision.
No fans agreed to this set up and some of us have every right to whinge. It'll be neither Harps nor Galway btw, with Bray talking the last spot
LFC in Exile
27/11/2006, 8:45 AM
Its going to be Waterford, Limerick and Galway ..... you heard it here first.
Spot on. And if Limerick don't get it the whole process has no credibility.
Gotcha :)
EVERY CLUB agreed to this set-up and no pint in whinging about it now, the only club that didnt agree is the now defunct CHF.
Ah sure some fans will tell you that they were intimated to voting in favour. :rolleyes:
The process has been very successful so far as has speeded up the demise of CHF. IMO its quiet clear the FAI knew 12 months ago the teams they wanted in the new Premier. Knowing the outcome makes it a lot easier to come up with entry criteria.
Poor Student
27/11/2006, 12:15 PM
Ah sure some fans will tell you that they were intimated to voting in favour. :rolleyes:
What's the eye rolling about?
Lim till i die
27/11/2006, 12:21 PM
What's the eye rolling about?
Because it was obviously a completly fair process with absolutely no chance of any of the "smaller" clubs being shafted ;)
bluemovie
27/11/2006, 12:33 PM
I reckon the current eleven will be joined by Rovers. At the start of the season, I got the impression the FAI wanted Rovers, Galway and Limerick in at the expense of Dublin City, Bray and UCD. DC went, Limerick fell away on and off the pitch. You can see the masterplan is a little map in John Delaney's head with dots in each corner of the country (4 in Dublin, one in the North East, etc).
I have a feeling that if Galway had finished second and beat Bray in a play-off, it would have given them the excuse to replace Bray with Galway. When it turned out to be Blues v Dundalk, I'd say they'll settle for the status quo apart from Rovers replacing DC. It seems a very subjective choice for the FAI so if they had wanted Dundalk, they'd have used the last 10 years as a criterion rather than the last 4 when Dundalk finished 9th, 10th, 6th and 6th in the First Division whereas Waterford won the First, then came 6th, 5th and 8th in the Premier Division.
It seems a very subjective choice for the FAI so if they had wanted Dundalk, they'd have used the last 10 years as a criterion rather than the last 4 when Dundalk finished 9th, 10th, 6th and 6th in the First Division whereas Waterford won the First, then came 6th, 5th and 8th in the Premier Division.
Dublin City & Kildare did not exist so could not go back that far.
Seems very irish thing to vote in favour of something, then claim you didn't know what voting for & change your mind when see results. Its like everyone moaning about FF/PDs but you know at least half them will vote for them again.
Mental Man
27/11/2006, 12:43 PM
Dublin City & Kildare did not exist so could not go back that far.
Seems very irish thing to vote in favour of something, then claim you didn't know what voting for & change your mind when see results. Its like everyone moaning about FF/PDs but you know at least half them will vote for them again.
Well done Pete, its typical oirish alright and hopefully this will put and end to the debate, i think BLuemovie is spot on, you will see a more regionalised Premiere set-up, i think rovers will go up at the exoense of Either UCD or Bray and Galway could surprise also ;)
Schumi
27/11/2006, 12:46 PM
Rovers will come up at nobody's expense as there's a spare place in the premier. Whether anyone else comes up at our or Bray's expense is the question.
pineapple stu
27/11/2006, 12:49 PM
Seems very irish thing to vote in favour of something, then claim you didn't know what voting for & change your mind when see results.
The fans, as noted elsewhere, didn't vote for anything and are entitled to be aggrieved.
The clubs were effectively threatened with their grant money to vote yes. I've been told that by directors of three clubs, who I'm not going to name for obvious reasons. If you want to counter that, you may come up with evidence more substantial than a :rolleyes:
bigmac
27/11/2006, 2:41 PM
No Mons didnt agree to it and we have no chance of being part of this league unless all the other teams above us go bust.....
It's 50-50 so? :D
The fans, as noted elsewhere, didn't vote for anything and are entitled to be aggrieved.
Why didn't UCD ask you what your opinion was?
The clubs were effectively threatened with their grant money to vote...
I think that was the same for everyone as the new FAI prize money was contingent on new FAI run league post eL-FAI merger...
UCD have done their part on the pitch which is good but lets be honest unless ye can come with some plans & progress off the pitch what do ye bring to the future of the eL. 500 people at premier division matches is ok now as some other teams not so far ahead of ye but if say everyone else doubled their attendances what could UCD offer then?
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