Cup Final ticket Sales - Update

[Schumi]

There's no return date on the form, it's €10 less for the East Upper than via ticketmaster.

[Peadar]

Heard that Derry are continuing the tradition of giving away tickets. School kids in the City were being given tickets. Didn't drogs do this too last year?

[wws]

tickets are selling like hot cakes

[Partizan]

I'm going for circa 15k for Sunday next.

Pats - 4k
Derry - 9k

Neutrals the rest.

[wws]

go on the "neutrals"
u must be the ticketmaster CEO

[dcfcsteve]

Heard that Derry are continuing the tradition of giving away tickets. School kids in the City were being given tickets. Didn't drogs do this too last year?

You mean you or someone you were talking to read one post on our site but didn't read the ones after it...? :D

DCFC are certainly not giving any tickets away for free. It's the FAI who are allegedly doing this, but definitely not the club.

We've apparently sold out almost all our own allocation, and are selling the East Upper now that Ticketmaster have given us a few sections there.

[dcfcsteve]

I'm going for circa 15k for Sunday next.

Pats - 4k
Derry - 9k

Neutrals the rest.

I don't think we'll manage 9,000. 7-8,000 max I reckon.

Would also be disappointed if Pats couldn't drag more than 4,000 the few miles across their own city.

[wws]

10,000 SOLD SO FAR (as of last night).

Thats everyone, every outlet. Both Pats and Derry sell on their ticketmaster machines. so 10,000 is what was sold in total last night on all ticketmaster machines

[OneRedArmy]

Heard that Derry are continuing the tradition of giving away tickets. School kids in the City were being given tickets. Didn't drogs do this too last year?Would that we had that much money Peader....

[Dodge]

Would also be disappointed if Pats couldn't drag more than 4,000 the few miles across their own city.
Why? That'd be nearly 3 times our average attendance...

[ColinR]

Heard that Derry are continuing the tradition of giving away tickets. School kids in the City were being given tickets. Didn't drogs do this too last year?

the fai done something for both clubs last year giving batches of 20 tickets away (i think) for local schools and clubs in the area of both drogs and cork. drogs ones were certainly snapped up iirc, not sure if the cork ones were - peader, you might know better on that one?

would be a good idea to do it again - the bigger the crowd the better, and of any bandwagon supporters for a big day, i'd say kids would be the easiest to hold onto

[Peadar]

drogs ones were certainly snapped up iirc, not sure if the cork ones were - peader, you might know better on that one?

would be a good idea to do it again - the bigger the crowd the better, and of any bandwagon supporters for a big day, i'd say kids would be the easiest to hold onto

Nope, can't confirm but I do think it's a good idea.
Better to have loads of kids getting in for free and hopefully enjoying themselves, rather than having empty seats.

10K is a small crowd though.
Could have had it in Tolka and created a bit of a buzz about it being sold out.

[wws]

in fairness thats 10,000 sold on the tuesday night of a final on sunday
(IMO most Irish ppl pay in on the day and rarely buy tickets in advance especially for aN Fai game in a stadium they know will be nowehere near capacity)

[Dodge]

Was it not 10,000 by last Saturday wws? Thought thats what GK said.*

Anyway, with that amount gone and decent weather ahead, 15K look like a decent crowd


*EDIT; just checked "On Saturday 10,000 tickets had been sold for the final"

[dcfcsteve]

Why? That'd be nearly 3 times our average attendance...

1) It's only a few miles across town for your fans.

2) Average attendances are meaningless, as Cup Finals are supposed to bring out your biggest crowds.

3) The Cup should mean a lot to Pats fans, as you've had little to cheer about recently.

4) Winning the Cup would see you enter European competition next season.

5) It's the last ever soccer match in the old Lansdowne.

6) Longford, Bray and Finn Harps have taken more than 4,000 to finals in recent years. If you consider your club to be smaller than them, then fair enough..... :o

[Dodge]

Still persisting with this? Dublin people do not jump on the bandwagon of dublin clubs, country people do jump on the bandwagon of country teams. The majority of people in Dublin could not give a **** about Pats and would have no idea that the game was on.

The crowd was split about 50/50 in 2003 in our game with Longford. Either way it doen't really matter. If we beat Derry you can console yourself witht he fact that more Derry fans turned up. The hundred or so Pats fans won't mind one little bit

Oh and where were you enquiring about crowds less than 2 years ago when Derry were getting about 700 at a game. ****ing pathetic arguing over which one of two very poorly supported teams (in real terms) brings more to a cup final

[forza]

1) It's only a few miles across town for your fans.

2) Average attendances are meaningless, as Cup Finals are supposed to bring out your biggest crowds.

3) The Cup should mean a lot to Pats fans, as you've had little to cheer about recently.

4) Winning the Cup would see you enter European competition next season.

5) It's the last ever soccer match in the old Lansdowne.

6) Longford, Bray and Finn Harps have taken more than 4,000 to finals in recent years. If you consider your club to be smaller than them, then fair enough..... :o

So what if its only a few miles?? Dont like blow ins anyway.

2) Thats why we'll take about 3 times our average at least

3)Yeah thats true thats why 3 times our average attendence is going to be there maybe more..

4) See answer 2 or 3

5) Why shoudl that effect our support?

6)Looking for a bite there one I wont provide.

Who cares what we bring end of.

If we win (we wont I know) and have 100 there its all teh same to us... what concern is how many we take to the game of yours anyway??

Derry a big club:D

[dcfcsteve]

Oh and where were you enquiring about crowds less than 2 years ago when Derry were getting about 700 at a game. ****ing pathetic arguing over which one of two very poorly supported teams (in real terms) brings more to a cup final


700 average crowd 2 years ago ?? I don't think so..

And for our last Cup Final appearance in 2002 we brought more than 4,000 - and could've brought twice that many if we hadn't sold out our allocation.

Crowds are always relative. Hearts's 15,000 crowd looks p!ish next to Rangers 42,000 crowds, which look pish next to Celtic's 55,000 crowds, which look pish next to Man United's 78,000 crowds, which look pish next to Barcelona's 99,000 crowds.....

But no matter what way you look at it - if Pats only broguht 4,000 to a Cup Final in their own town, that would be a poor crowd full-stop. I sincerely hope and expect you to bring more though...

[forza]

700 average crowd 2 years ago ?? I don't think so..

We brought 4,500 to our Cup Final in 2002, and could've brought twice that many if we hadn't sold out our allocation.

Crowds are always relative. Hearts's 15,000 crowd looks p!ish next to Rangers 42,000 crowds, which look pish next to Celtic's 55,000 crowds, which look pish next to Man United's 78,000 crowds, which look pish next to Barcelona's 99,000 crowds.....

But no matter what way you look at it - if Pats only broguht 4,000 to a Cup Final in their own town, that would be a poor crowd full-stop. I sincerely hope and expect you to bring more...


What happens on the pitch is relative :rolleyes:

[wws]

im a regular at Derry v Pats in the brandywell and know what I'm talkin about, Dodge would have a few years more experience of travelling there on top of that again

we can both remember clearly filling ure collection buckets when your club was on its knees with f--all in the ground

[forza]

im a regular at Derry v Pats in the brandywell and know what I'm talkin about, Dodge would have a few years more experience of travelling there on top of that again

we can both remember clearly filling ure collection buckets when your club was on its knees with f--all in the ground

So do I :)

[dcfcsteve]

Derry a big club:D

I didn't claim that City were a big club, but as you mention it we did appear to have had the biggest average and individual attendance in the country last season - and probably the island. Big club ? No. But currently the biggest in Ireland if judged by attendances.

The fact that the Final is in Pat's home town has got nothing to do with blow-ins. It's about the fact that it couldn't be easier for your fans to get to it - so time, money and distance are not really valid excuses.

And the size of attendance at the showpiece event for Irish domestic football is of concen to anyone who has a genuine heartfelt interest in our league. Of course it is ! Myself and numerous other posters on here from teams other than Drogheda and Cork weer delighted with the large crowd at last year's final. Even if City weren't playing on Sunday, I'd still be keen for there to be a big crowd. This is the showpiece event for our league, being relayed live on TV ffs. Anyone with an interest in our league has a right to be concerned about the attendance that attracts and therefore the message it sends out.

What next - 'what concern is it of yours how any other EL team does in Europe...?' :rolleyes:

[dcfcsteve]

im a regular at Derry v Pats in the brandywell and know what I'm talkin about, Dodge would have a few years more experience of travelling there on top of that again

we can both remember clearly filling ure collection buckets when your club was on its knees with f--all in the ground

Firstly, City were relegation fodder at the time. This season, Pats have been well off the bottom, and have had a good Cup run, so the 2 eras don't compare.

Secondly - 700 average my arse. Pats have never been a big draw in Derry - so I wouldn't use your once or twice a season visit to our ground to then extrapulate an average across 20+ games. I've been to St James Park to watch Newcastle play to a crowd of barely 20,000. Should that therefore be seen as their average attendance for that period....? :rolleyes:

Genuinely - thanks for the contributions at the time though. Hopefully I won't need to return the favour for Pats at any point (i.e. I hope yee's don't end-up nin the soup).

Though what all this has to do with Cup Final crwods I don't know.

[dcfcsteve]

What happens on the pitch is relative :rolleyes:

Indeed. But what's your point ? :confused:

[forza]

I didn't claim that City were a big club, but as you mention it we did appear to have had the biggest average and individual attendance in the country last season - and probably the island. Big club ? No. But currently the biggest in Ireland if judged by attendances.

The fact that the Final is in Pat's home town has got nothing to do with blow-ins. It's about the fact that it couldn't be easier for your fans to get to it - so time, money and distance are not really valid excuses.

And the size of attendance at the showpiece event for Irish domestic football is of concen to anyone who has a genuine heartfelt interest in our league. Of course it is ! Myself and numerous other posters on here from teams other than Drogheda and Cork weer delighted with the large crowd at last year's final. Even if City weren't playing on Sunday, I'd still be keen for there to be a big crowd. This is the showpiece event for our league, being relayed live on TV ffs. Anyone with an interest in our league has a right to be concerned about the attendance that attracts and therefore the message it sends out.

What next - 'what concern is it of yours how any other EL team does in Europe...?' :rolleyes:


My point exactly I dont care how we come across on Sunday off the park once things go right on it .

I dont care how many turn up.

The result is all the matters.

[forza]

Indeed. But what's your point ? :confused:

Theres no spot prizes for bringing the most fans :rolleyes:

[wws]

The fact that the Final is in Pat's home town has got nothing to do with blow-ins. It's about the fact that it couldn't be easier for your fans to get to it - so time, money and distance are not really valid excuses.


and we've told you that the tickets we've sold and will sell will already greatly exceed our home gates (current and historical)

you seem to believe that the cup final being in dublin will increase our historical support level?

I find this bizarre

[dcfcsteve]

My point exactly I dont care how we come across on Sunday off the park once things go right on it .

I dont care how many turn up.

The result is all the matters.

But I'm saying the opposite - that the crowd does matter. If we can't even attract a good crowd to our showpiece event - particularly when one of the teams playing is local - then that sends out a bad signal about our league.

It Pats were bringing a much bigger crowd your tune would fairly change no doubt....

[dcfcsteve]

and we've told you that the tickets we've sold and will sell will already greatly exceed our home gates (current and historical)

you seem to believe that the cup final being in dublin will increase our historical support level?

I find this bizarre

Name me one team in a recent final that didn't sell tickets that greatly exceeded its average home support ??

Fair point about historical support base though. I guess I made the mistake of assuming Pats were a decent-sized club with a decent-size support.:o

[OneRedArmy]

This discussion smacks of re-arranging deckchairs on the Titanic. Is it really worth arguing the toss over who has the most bandwagon jumpers (when we all know that Cork is clearly the answer to that question ;) )

The telling statistic is that the crowd will be approximately between 30% and 50% of that willing to watch our national team play a Sunday League team on a cold, wet night a few weeks back.

[forza]

Name me one team in a recent final that didn't sell tickets that greatly exceeded its average home support ??

Fair point about historical support base though. I guess I made the mistake of assuming Pats were a decent-sized club with a decent-size support.:o


No we're like you lot. Less blow ins though

[wws]

Name me one team in a recent final that didn't sell tickets that greatly exceeded its average home support ??

Fair point about historical support base though. I guess I made the mistake of assuming Pats were a decent-sized club with a decent-size support.:o

you must be a blow in steve if u dont know the size of our support (one of teh best in the LoI as it happens)

but nowhere near 4,000 weekly regulars in any season ive attended games

[forza]

But I'm saying the opposite - that the crowd does matter. If we can't even attract a good crowd to our showpiece event - particularly when one of the teams playing is local - then that sends out a bad signal about our league.

It Pats were bringing a much bigger crowd your tune would fairly change no doubt....

No I wouldnt I dont care how many go once we win end of.

One game is not gonna change public preception :ball:

[Kildare Lad]

Are Pats seriously only bringing around 4,000 fans? If so, I would be very dissapointed with this, I see where the Derry fans are coming from.

Like your in your own town, and u can only bring that many fans? that is poor....

[forza]

Its not our town:rolleyes:

[Kildare Lad]

well you know what i mean! County!

[Dodge]

you must be a blow in steve if u dont know the size of our support (one of teh best in the LoI as it happens)

but nowhere near 4,000 weekly regulars in any season ive attended games

Late 80s they did (easily, and more) but even at the start of last season there was less than 1,000 people at the Derry Pats game (but we're not a big draw so it doens't count for steve apparently). Maybe you were away for these seasons steve (note the plural)


Are Pats seriously only bringing around 4,000 fans?

The point the Pats fans here are making is that none of us have a clue how many we'll bring and some of us are erring on the side of caution. IN the Tolka Park finals the ground wasn't full once, yet people here talk about bring 8/9,000 to games. Cork fans constantly claimed their crowds were 10,000+ to be told that capacity (with the shed) was less than 7k and every club's fans have (and continue to) grossly exagerate their corwds. Pats don't. Our official figures are available to everybody through our website. If we bring 4,500 to a cup final thats 3 times our average crowd, which by any stretch is a good achievement.

If we were winning leagues we'd be touching on the biggest support in the country (as happened not so long ago) as we have a decent suppport base BUT thats it. A maximum of 5,000 people care what happens Pats to any degree. More or less the same as every other Dublin club and only the idiots and wafflers can argue with this. This will be my last post in this thread as I'm fed up with people having pie in the sky notions of how big this league is

[Kildare Lad]

The point the Pats fans here are making is that none of us have a clue how many we'll bring and some of us are erring on the side of caution. IN the Tolka Park finals the ground wasn't full once, yet people here talk about bring 8/9,000 to games. Cork fans constantly claimed their crowds were 10,000+ to be told that capacity (with the shed) was less than 7k and every club's fans have (and continue to) grossly exagerate their corwds. Pats don't. Our official figures are available to everybody through our website. If we bring 4,500 to a cup final thats 3 times our average crowd, which by any stretch is a good achievement.

If we were winning leagues we'd be touching on the biggest support in the country (as happened not so long ago) as we have a decent suppport base BUT thats it. A maximum of 5,000 people care what happens Pats to any degree. More or less the same as every other Dublin club and only the idiots and wafflers can argue with this. This will be my last post in this thread as I'm fed up with people having pie in the sky notions of how big this league is


Ok, thank you

[micls]

Is it really worth arguing the toss over who has the most bandwagon jumpers (when we all know that Cork is clearly the answer to that question ;) )


And proud of it.....now we just gotta convince them to come to the rest of the games.

In fairnes i think Drogheda might actually have taken that title based on the cup finals

[micls]

Cork fans constantly claimed their crowds were 10,000+ to be told that capacity (with the shed) was less than 7k


Untrue. With all the standing area around the ground it held a good bit more than 7k- and always room to queeze one more in ;)

There was definately more than that at the last game against Derry last year although nowhere near 10k.

Completely beside the point anyway.

fact is all EL clubs attendences are rubbish. Derry are coming off the back of a fantastic season where they were the talk of the town and country because of the European run. of course they will get more bandwagoners for the day out.

We brought well over 10k to last years final...the feelgood factor.

How many were back this year when we badly needed the money?
The attendence in a one off game a near doesn't matter a damn if the clubs can't figure out a way to get them off their asses for the rest of the year.

[Dr.Nightdub]

I fail to see see why people expect Pats fans to apologise for the laziness / lack of interest of the non-Pats-following Dublin football public.

Our all-time record home attendance was 7098, back in April '99 in what was effectively a League decider against Cork. Of that, I'd guess that Cork brought anywhere between 1000-1500 so even when we were the best team in the country, the fairweather brigade could only swell our numbers to 6000.

We're a long way from best in the country now. Check the attendances thread, I think our average this season was around 1400-1500. I'm assuming that all of them will turn up on Sunday, any occasion-junkies (no pun intended) on top of that is a bonus.

Then throw in the fact that the bookies, most neutrals and many Pats fans (me included) all reckon we haven't a prayer and why would non-regulars with at best a passing interest in Pats bother their holes going to a game that they think we're gonna lose anyway?

The short-distance argument is totally irrelevant. Lansdowne was the same distance from home for me last Sunday as it'll be next Sunday, but I didn't bother going to see Ireland v Pacific Islands in the rugby simply cos I've no interest in rugby no matter who's playing. The same logic applies to the Cup Final, unless for some bizarre reason non-Dubliners expect people to go stand in the cold for two hours to watch something they've no interest in - just cos it's handy? That just defies belief.

The real issue isn't whether Pats can magic up a few thousand new fans out of nowhere between now and Sunday. The real issue is why the idiots in Merrion Square persist with this nonsense of staging what's meant to be their "showcase event" in a stadium that will at best be half full.

[Peadar]

Cork fans constantly claimed their crowds were 10,000+ to be told that capacity (with the shed) was less than 7k and every club's fans have (and continue to) grossly exagerate their corwds.

Thought you said you were in Turners Cross on a Saturday in 1998, when over 11,000 paid in? Before we had seats in the St. Anne's end and on the Derrynane side. Our "seated" capacity will be in the region of 7,000 when the new stand is finished. Do you have difficulty comprehending how making the ground all seated can reduce the official capacity?

[ciarandcfc]

it said on tele txt that derry are bringing 10,000 fans
i've heard we've sold about 6k tickets

it also said on the bbc news that pats have only sold 800 tickets

[Dodge]

it said on tele txt that derry are bringing 10,000 fans
i've heard we've sold about 6k tickets

it also said on the bbc news that pats have only sold 800 tickets
Well thats completely wrong...

And Peadar there's a huge difference betweena reported 11,000 and an actual 11,000

[Peadar]

And Peadar there's a huge difference betweena reported 11,000 and an actual 11,000

You're correct. I was told, by someone who should know, that there was close to 13,000 there that day.

[Dodge]

exactly. And about 60% were pats fans ;)

[Peadar]

exactly. And about 60% were pats fans ;)

Where have they all been since 1998? :confused:

[Dodge]

Most of them died on those fields. brave, brave soldiers

[Peadar]

Most of them died on those fields. brave, brave soldiers

That's the punishment for pitch invasions at Turners Cross. :D

[dcfcsteve]

That's the punishment for pitch invasions at Turners Cross. :D

Or more probably the fall-out from a bad batch of heroin...... :D

;)