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Peadar
21/11/2006, 8:41 AM
To be fair Peadar, we're not owed anything by anybody. We knew at the start of the season that 4th in the league wouldn't guarantee Setanta or Europe.
The league table would have looked very different if Ronan Seery hadn't done his best to destroy the league. Of the top 4, Shels and Cork City were punished for being more successful than Derry and drogs.
OneRedArmy
21/11/2006, 9:11 AM
Of the top 4, Shels and Cork City were punished for being more successful than Derry and drogs.You continue to outdo yourself Peader.
We took 7 (count'em) points off you this season and finished 6 points ahead of you.
Whose to say you and Shels wouldn't have lost to Dublin City in the 3rd series of matches?
Let it go Louie......
Peadar
21/11/2006, 10:50 AM
We took 7 (count'em) points off you this season and finished 6 points ahead of you.
Ollie Byrne isn't done with you yet.
You'll be 3 points behind us when he gets his way.
dcfcsteve
21/11/2006, 10:56 AM
Ollie Byrne isn't done with you yet.
You'll be 3 points behind us when he gets his way.
There's hope. And then there's sheer desperation.....! :D
We'll do our best to get yees into a proper European tournament next year Peader..... ;)
Setanta is a tv competition so the orgainisers want teams with good grounds & decent crowds to put up a tv show. Theres a reason why they showed so many games from Turners Cross last season. United park didn't have any live games as poor ground for tv access.
Ask the guys from Portadown if they'd have us back.
Well some of the portadown supporters that come to drogheda matches wouldn't anyway!! Even sing about drink driver and all that when theyre down!
David, Cork would bring fcuk all to setanta cup away matches!! Pats have a far more loyal away following over the years
Celdrog
I have asked this question before, and I worked last year with someone who lived in Drogheda and had never been to United Park, but went to the Cup Final, how many of these bandwaggoners went to a League game this season?
Not many - but the fact that united park is a sh!thole and not ideal for familes probably had alot to do with it! (even though I love the place, always creates a good atmosphere with away fans, a proper terraced football ground!!) Our new stadium will hopefully sort all that out!
dcfcsteve
21/11/2006, 5:13 PM
David, Cork would bring fcuk all to setanta cup away matches!! Pats have a far more loyal away following over the years
Well - there's one Northern team already in the EL, and Pat's bring next to no fans to their games at the Brandywell, whilst Cork usually bring 100+ (about 400 on Friday last).
Evidence/facts trumps opinion....
Well - there's one Northern team already in the EL, and Pat's bring next to no fans to their games at the Brandywell, whilst Cork usually bring 100+ (about 400 on Friday last).
Evidence/facts trumps opinion....
Playing on a Sunday night/Friday evening doesnt help. We have jobs :rolleyes:
Oh and when the time was convienent the Saturday game last year we took a good 150 up.
Either way argue it out pretty much everybody up North and down here wants Cork in.
Suits us fine 'No one likes we dont care' :cool:
dcfcsteve
21/11/2006, 5:28 PM
Playing on a Sunday night/Friday evening doesnt help. We have jobs :rolleyes:
It's the same for Cork fans though ! Worse in fact, as they have further to travel, yet they still do so in greater numbers than Pats - contrary to what Cosmo is suggesting.
Anyways - if you think travelling from Dublin to Derry for a Friday game once or twice a season is a pain, try doing a similar version in reverse pretty much every other Friday night :eek: . Doesn't stop Derry fans though.... :D
It's the same for Cork fans though ! Worse in fact, as they have further to travel, yet they still do so in greater numbers than Pats - contrary to what Cosmo is suggesting.
Anyways - if you think travelling from Dublin to Derry for a Friday game once or twice a season is a pain, try doing a similar version in reverse pretty much every other Friday night :eek: . Doesn't stop Derry fans though.... :D
In fairness its easier to suppoort a good team??
As for Derry fans during the journey every odd Friday dont agree with it... but you always seem to be around meaning you have no jobs or good bosses :D
For atomsphere, football quality & good crowds home & away best eL teams to partake would be Derry City, Cork City, Shamrock Rovers (maybe a security concern?) & Drogheda (can't believe i suggested that).
dcfcsteve
21/11/2006, 5:44 PM
In fairness its easier to suppoort a good team??
Very true - which knackers the assertion that Pats would bring more fans to Setanta games even more.... :D
As for Derry fans during the journey every odd Friday dont agree with it... but you always seem to be around meaning you have no jobs or good bosses
Our nearest away league game is currently Sligo - about 2 hrs on a bus each way, without stops. Our fans therefore have to do that journey or much further every other week, and they do it. What part of those facts do you not agree with ? :confused:
As for our fans always being around - it's for a variety of reasons. Some are students, some work flexible hours, some are self-employed, some are unemployed, some are based in the Republic etc, whilst many just use their holiday time to follow City. But most imporatnly, all are committed. Also - when you've got one of the largest fan bases in Ireland, it's not hard to always have a percentage who can make any given game..... :D
Aye I do agree but how many would travel if there team was as poor as we've been since 2001 on the road especially :(
Committed as you are I think the fact you are so isolated adds to both your supports a bit like clubs in the North of England who travel in larger numbers then there counterparts in the south. Its also your decision to be in this league and take all punishing trips but we wont go into that.
Either way it will be decided on cup final day and may Pats win :p
dcfcsteve
21/11/2006, 6:16 PM
Aye I do agree but how many would travel if there team was as poor as we've been since 2001 on the road especially :(
It's only in the last 2 years that we stopped being pooere than you !
Committed as you are I think the fact you are so isolated adds to both your supports a bit like clubs in the North of England who travel in larger numbers then there counterparts in the south.
Having lived in the north-east of England and watched a lot of football there, I can assure you that that is a myth. Newcastle fans travel well, but that's because it's a massive soccer town and they're the only show there is. Beyond that, travelling support is poor ior at best not spectacular. Sunderland fans are very fickle (teir new found Irish support will feel very at home there... :rolleyes: ) - they've been struggling to get good crowds to the Stadium of Light for the last few years, let alone have many travelling. Boro have a small but comitted away support. Darlington, Carlisle, Blackpool, Preston, York etc - all fairly isolated Northern towns, none with big travelling support.
Anwyays - hopefully Pat's will do their bit to make the Cup Final a decent spectacle by strolling across town in sizeable numbers Sunday week.
It's the same for Cork fans though ! Worse in fact, as they have further to travel, yet they still do so in greater numbers than Pats - contrary to what Cosmo is suggesting.
Corks away crowds in the setanta cup were pure sh!te (also take out the corkies living in dublin and they'd have had a couple of people at their away matches). Not slagging them over it - its just a fact- as its tough heading up for setanta mid week matches when ye probably have to save some annual leave for league, europe, fai cup, etc
I reckon pats would bring more than them to away matches in northern ireland first for the novelty of the setanta cup and also they dont have that far to travel really!
Dazzy
23/11/2006, 10:56 AM
In fairness its easier to suppoort a good team??
As for Derry fans during the journey every odd Friday dont agree with it... but you always seem to be around meaning you have no jobs or good bosses :D
Its good to be a student that doesnt attend class :D
GoldenBridge or Drimnagh luas stops would leave u a 2 min walk from the ground
2 Minutes? Well it's probably all the time you'd want to spend walking in such a deprived area.
a proper terraced football ground
The away terrace can be good for atmosphere, but the depth of the steps make it far from a proper terrace.
bigmac
23/11/2006, 11:29 AM
It's the same for Cork fans though !
Cork fans have jobs? :eek:
TonyD
23/11/2006, 12:32 PM
45 years TonyD , not wishing to rub it in at all but it was 1961.
Yeah, I know. Nice of you to point out my mistake:mad: (I was going to edit it, but couldn't be bothered)Anyway the wait will finally end on Sunday week:D (Probably!)
Cork fans have jobs? :eek:
Yes. We emigrate to Dublin as someone needs to tell the dubs what to do. :)
Dr.Nightdub
23/11/2006, 9:29 PM
While I'd love an away trip up north, I couldn't see us bringing that many midweek, even allowing for the novelty factor. Sligo away in the Cup last year had an element of novelty to it, them having been First Division for a while at that stage, and even though you'd think the Saturday timing would make it easier for people to travel, we didn't bring half as many as we should've.
For some bizarre reason, I reckon Waterford away has been the outside-Dublin game we've brought most to in the last couple of years.
Oh, and Forza, TonyD & co, please get back on-message. We won't win the Cup - after all this time, it'd be simply unPatslike of us. Hope the Cork fans enjoy themselves in the Setanta. :(
While I'd love an away trip up north, I couldn't see us bringing that many midweek, even allowing for the novelty factor. Sligo away in the Cup last year had an element of novelty to it, them having been First Division for a while at that stage, and even though you'd think the Saturday timing would make it easier for people to travel, we didn't bring half as many as we should've.
Sligo wasn't a novelty for most of us...
You're also forgetting the fact that we were awful last year (and have been for a good few years), a cup win fools people into thinking we're not anymore and might see more of them make the effort
Lux Interior
01/12/2006, 10:35 PM
While I'd love an away trip up north, I couldn't see us bringing that many midweek, even allowing for the novelty factor. Sligo away in the Cup last year had an element of novelty to it, them having been First Division for a while at that stage, and even though you'd think the Saturday timing would make it easier for people to travel, we didn't bring half as many as we should've.
For some bizarre reason, I reckon Waterford away has been the outside-Dublin game we've brought most to in the last couple of years.
Oh, and Forza, TonyD & co, please get back on-message. We won't win the Cup - after all this time, it'd be simply unPatslike of us. Hope the Cork fans enjoy themselves in the Setanta. :(
Most Glenmen I know (a lot!) would like Pats in the Setanta.
Good luck from this part of east Belfast on Sunday (think there's a few heading down).
BohDiddley
02/12/2006, 12:57 PM
I see the draw is on the 7th December so not long to wait now to see who we all get. Genuinely not a dig at Derry but I do hope we avoid them. Limited tickets and a nightmare to attend (all no fault of the club I know). Would love to get Drogs and Cork if they make it. If not Pats would do, never been there. Again in all seriousness, is there any danger of Shels not being able to compete due to their problems?
I always like going to Pats. It's not the biggest or most glamorous ground by any stretch, but it has a great vibe to it.
Not sure what the seating arrangements would be, but in the unlikely event that Linfield ended up in the main stand, be advised that you should seek out shrinking pills in your local pharmacy before travelling.
David
04/12/2006, 11:26 AM
Does anyone know what time the draw is at on Thursday?
Peadar
04/12/2006, 11:43 AM
Does anyone know what time the draw is at on Thursday?
I do. 1615 and we're in it! :D
Here is the t-shirt (http://www.spreadshirt.net/shop.php?article_id=4001430) which was born out of a conversation with Derry fans yesterday, about visiting IL grounds.
David
04/12/2006, 12:11 PM
I do. 1615 and we're in it! :D
Here is the t-shirt (http://www.spreadshirt.net/shop.php?article_id=4001430) which was born out of a conversation with Derry fans yesterday, about visiting IL grounds.
Really hope that at last we get you, it is long overdue.
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