Andy Reid's position [Archive] - Page 2

dr_peepee

07/12/2006, 9:34 PM

Great performance from him last night. They played him just behind the front two. With three workers behind him. His vision was top notch in my opinion and his passing was very good also. I would rather have the likes of Reid in our team than the Kilbanes of the world. Its all about what type of player we want in our team and I want footballers who keep the ball and I think Reid is one of those.

No doubt about it.. Playing very well.. We all agree he has the abililty. But it brings back the original point of the thread "Where to play him?" Charlton are accomodating him and rightly so with 3 grafters (Kishishev, Faye and whoever). Charlton aren't deploying him in a conventional 4 4 2. I've said and i still believe he we have to use him either as part of a five man midfeild or on side of two central midfielders. For us to accomadate him in the manor in which he's been successfull at Charlton in recent weeks who would you exlcude. Doyle or keane in the case of a lone front man... Or Duff McGeady.

Best midfeild four for me when fit.... Duff, Carsley, S. reid and Andy Reid

drinkfeckarse

08/12/2006, 7:41 AM

He must be in line for the Player of the Month award at this rate. Best form I've ever seen him in.

Dr. Ogba

08/12/2006, 8:57 AM

No doubt about it.. Playing very well.. We all agree he has the abililty. But it brings back the original point of the thread "Where to play him?" Charlton are accomodating him and rightly so with 3 grafters (Kishishev, Faye and whoever). Charlton aren't deploying him in a conventional 4 4 2. I've said and i still believe he we have to use him either as part of a five man midfeild or on side of two central midfielders. For us to accomadate him in the manor in which he's been successfull at Charlton in recent weeks who would you exlcude. Doyle or keane in the case of a lone front man... Or Duff McGeady.

Best midfeild four for me when fit.... Duff, Carsley, S. reid and Andy Reid

Well there's no coincidence that the best I've seen Ireland play in a while (against the Czechs) was when we had the 5 man midfield similar to that of Charlton's....i.e the 2 grafters in Douglas (would have S. Reid back when fit) and Carsley allowing Reid the freedom to spread the ball around and create chances. Unfortunately I don't think Robbie Keane really suits the lone-striker role, would sooner have Kevin Doyle in that position...

I think Reid's still a bit off being the more rounded (excuse the pun) central midfielder that could play in the 442 for us but if he keeps playing this well its definitely something to be looked at in a friendly...

ken foree

10/12/2006, 2:24 PM

well i think it's worth mentioning that he was mediocre yesterday against spurs. did well for charlton's goal and tried to keep the ball moving in the middle when charlton were enjoying possession but he did give it away quite a lot. subbed for hasselbaink with about 20 or 25 mins left i think.

tetsujin1979

10/12/2006, 2:45 PM

According to most reports I've read, Reid was Charlton's best player, and was only taken off because of a hamstring tweak.

eirebhoy

10/12/2006, 3:21 PM

Yeah, I'd usually take Sky Sports ratings with a pinch of salt but he got 7/10 on that when all the others got 5 and 6's.

tetsujin1979

10/12/2006, 4:11 PM

Some quotes about Reid:
From http://football.guardian.co.uk/Observer_Match_Report/0,,1968518,00.html

Andy Reid, taken off after the break with a strained hamstring, was pivotal in the good things Charlton managed before half time
from http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,277-2496435,00.html

it was unfortunate that Reid had to leave the field injured. He has in recent weeks been the one player who seems capable of calling the tune, making the bullets for others to fire, and occasionally having a shot himself

ken foree

10/12/2006, 5:18 PM

i'd have to disagree, he generally looked off the midfield pace compared to spurs and a slew of relatively straightforward passes went astray. i like andy reid a lot but, regardless of his role in the charlton goal or the reason he was subbed, he was below int'l standard today.

irishfan86

11/12/2006, 1:02 AM

Andy was at the heart of everything Charlton created, but as mentioned here he did give the ball away quite a bit.

He's always looking for those incisive passes, and if you want to play those consistently you're going to give the ball up a few times a match.

Charlton dominated the first part of the match, and you feel 5-1 wasn't an indicator of what they're capable of.

After watching that match I can't see them staying in the bottom 3 much longer, as odd as that may sound.

eirebhoy

11/12/2006, 10:28 AM

Doesn't sound odd at all. I'd be very, very suprised if Charlton were relegated.

Da-Mini

11/12/2006, 7:39 PM

Andy Reid is possibly the most over-rated player Ireland have had. Alongside Kevin Kilbane.:D

eirebhoy

11/12/2006, 10:02 PM

The Legend

11/12/2006, 10:17 PM

Reid reminds me more of John Sheridan (talented... but gives the impression of being unfit/lazy and sometimes desperately unlucky!)

cavan_fan

12/12/2006, 10:02 AM

Doesn't sound odd at all. I'd be very, very suprised if Charlton were relegated.

Really? Would be stunned if they werent relegated. I predict they will have another new manager yet this season (Pardew?) Just dont see the quality in the team and there is little money to buy. More to the point who are they going to finish ahead of? Watford presumably and maybe Sheff U (thought they have more fight to them), Reading are safe so it would have to be one of last year's teams. That means them doing better than West Ham/Blackburn/Middlesborough/Fulham or Newcastle. I know where my money would be

drinkfeckarse

12/12/2006, 11:38 AM

They certainly have a mountain to climb and I don't know if they have enough quality to score more than the likes of the teams mentioned. I think it's 3 of Sheff Utd, Watford, Charlton, West Ham and Fulham.

eirebhoy

12/12/2006, 12:00 PM

Really? Would be stunned if they werent relegated. I predict they will have another new manager yet this season (Pardew?) Just dont see the quality in the team and there is little money to buy. More to the point who are they going to finish ahead of? Watford presumably and maybe Sheff U (thought they have more fight to them), Reading are safe so it would have to be one of last year's teams. That means them doing better than West Ham/Blackburn/Middlesborough/Fulham or Newcastle. I know where my money would be
Put it that way and you've changed my mind. :) It shows that the premiership is actually a very strong league if a team like Charlton are favourites to go down. They don't seem like a weak team to me. I even look at the table when saying that but I certainly wouldn't have thought Charlton would get relegated at the start of the season.

Boro would probably be the most likely of the teams you mentioned.

paul_oshea

12/12/2006, 2:00 PM

does anybody really care for fulham either way? i wouldnt mind them going down....plus no irish players on the first 11.

is that timlin lad still with them

drinkfeckarse

12/12/2006, 2:38 PM

is that timlin lad still with them

Yeah he's still there but in the final year of his contract as far as I can recall. I play with a guy who was at Fulham a couple of years ago and I asked him about Michael a few weeks ago.

He spoke highly enough of him, said he had a bit of bother with injuries in the past but didn't see anything extra in him that gave the impression he could be a major player for the first team. I personally have never seen Timlin play so I can't comment at all.

livehead1

12/12/2006, 2:41 PM

drinkfeckarse

12/12/2006, 2:45 PM

where is the quality in the villa side? on paper there about the same, its o do with application

Villa while not having world class players have plenty of quality in Mellberg, Barry, Baros, Petrov, Davis, Bouma, Laursen and 1 or 2 more. You're right though in that O'Neill has got them applying themselves again instead of being down in the doldrums.

cavan_fan

12/12/2006, 2:47 PM

where is the quality in the villa side? on paper there about the same, its o do with application

Villa have Martin O'Neill and a lot of money to spend in the New Year. I suspect Pardew will go to Charlton but he took quite a while to get things moving at West Ham where he had some good young players.

Charlton's line up v Spurs

Carson, Young, Diawara, El Karkouri, Hreidarsson, Sam, Kishishev (Rommedahl 53), Faye, Hughes, Reid (Hasselbaink 67), Darren Bent.
Subs Not Used: Myhre, Holland, Fortune.

The phrase pig's ear comes to mind. There's a lot of oldish players who've never really achieved (Diawara, El Karkouri, Kishishev, Faye, Rommendahl). Then they have Hasselbaink who's a row waiting to happen, Darren Bent suffering 2nd season syndrome and Reid (who is odds on to be injured soon). If I was Pardew I'd take the job expecting relegation and then rebuilding.

Is this getting off topic?

kingdom hoop

12/12/2006, 3:42 PM

Is this getting off topic?

All depends what we read(sorry) into 'position'.. clearly he plays midfield but you can also say he is in a difficult position in playing for a struggling club with no manager and one decent player(bent) to pass the ball to. at least he's getting a bit of coverage for being the shining light in a bad team, who i think will get relegated. both fulham and west ham can play with some panache(i.e. have a little bit of quality) whereas charlton, bar andy, look devoid of ideas and inspiration to the point that their fans must be frustrated and probably feel they will get relegated, putting andy in a tough 'position'.
If you start talking sex positions cavan then it is stretching things a little, lets keep it to football!!

Da-Mini

15/12/2006, 2:48 PM

I'd personally worry about your ability to judge a player if you don't rate Andy Reid. :) I've been watching rugby for years and years and even know most of the rules, I couldn't tell how good a certain player is in a million years though.

Kilbane and Reid are not even comparable. Kilbane has no football brain at all. Reid is probably the most intelligient Irish player playing atm.

I didnt say he was a bad player. Im just saying that he is EXTREMELY OVERRATED. I dont think he should be startin now. Presuming everybodys fit id have S.Reid, Carsley, Duff and McGeady. A.Reid on da bench
Agree with wot u said bout Kilbane though:D

hoops1

15/12/2006, 3:19 PM

I'd personally worry about your ability to judge a player if you don't rate Andy Reid. :) I've been watching rugby for years and years and even know most of the rules, I couldn't tell how good a certain player is in a million years though.

Kilbane and Reid are not even comparable. Kilbane has no football brain at all. Reid is probably the most intelligient Irish player playing atm.

On what I have seen so far I wouldnt rate Reid either. Kilbane has a football brain but not alot of ability. You dont play over 50 times in international football and not have a football brain. Id rather have Kilbane in my side than
Reid. With Kilbane you know what your going to get. Huge Heart and honesty of effort for every game of the season. With Reid god only knows. If Reid was English noone here would pay any attention to him. He is mediocre at best

eirebhoy

15/12/2006, 5:37 PM

On what I have seen so far I wouldnt rate Reid either. Kilbane has a football brain but not alot of ability.
If Kilbane had a football brain we would have been a lot more successful in Cyprus. He gives 100% and is an excellent man marker when playing in central midfield but he's no good at positioning himself, making the right pass, etc. Roy Keane is an example of a player with a fantastic football brain but not the most technically gifted.

Reid is the type of player that gets a lot of respect from teammates because of his intelligience. He's finally getting a decent run at a decent level and hopefully he stays injury free for the rest of the season.

kingdom hoop

15/12/2006, 7:36 PM

If Reid was English noone here would pay any attention to him.

?? the website is foot.ie and the topic is entitled ireland, terrible point in your argument to begin with.

reid was first choice midfielder at spurs beginning of last season for bout 10 games before he got injured. has anyone here ever paid attention to carrick, jenas or lennon?? oh wait they're english so..........hoops1??

reid was easily one of the best players in the championship(division 1?) for a couple of years at forest at a very youn age, lighting up the league before spurs finally captured his signature after lengthy negotiations for something like 4-6m(?).

he has now moved on to charlton, been given a good run in the team where effectively he has all the responsibility to orchestrate things and has responded superbly. the guy is 25 has had plenty of personal issues and is now being criticised after putting his head down and getting on with his career.

plus some of the goals he's scored..one at forest in particular, hopefully someone can find it in(on) the net..kilbane most likely will pick it up and while he's down there he may as well tie andy's laces;)

mediocre? no way.

debate on his position will rumble on though

tricky_colour

18/12/2006, 1:26 PM

Andy Reid is in the Actim top 100 at number 92.
http://download.howden.press.net/actim/PremUK_index_top100.pdf

republicofwhite

18/12/2006, 2:02 PM

One of only three Charlton players there, including Bent and Carson, i.e. the players who are too good for Charlton. Paddy Kenny makes a notable appearance! Justification for his supporters!

tricky_colour

18/12/2006, 4:31 PM

hoops1

20/12/2006, 3:10 PM

Roy Keane is an example of a player with a fantastic football brain but not the most technically gifted.

Crazy comment Keane is massively gifted technically

Kingdom Hoop
Its a very valid point. Reid doesnt stand out. Hes mediocre
We are only aware of him because of him being Irish. Not because hes a great player.

kingdom hoop

20/12/2006, 3:18 PM

Crazy comment Keane is massively gifted technically

depends what 'technical' means.. he'd be the first to admit he isnt massively skillful, but is massively methodical. the opposite to reid then;)

hoops1

20/12/2006, 3:32 PM

Is Keane Technically good Kingdom Hoop?

eirebhoy

20/12/2006, 3:36 PM

Crazy comment Keane is massively gifted technically

Fair enough then, replace "Roy Keane" with someone else but you can see the point. When I think of someone massively gifted technically I think of the likes of Totti, Kaka, Juninho, Pirlo, Alonso, Riquelme, etc. (no coincedence that they're all excellent set piece takers), not Roy Keane but anyway. :)

Reid doesnt stand out. Hes mediocre
We are only aware of him because of him being Irish.
I'm sure every premiership supporter is "aware" of him, they're just not going to see him as Charlton aren't on telly much. There's a reason Spurs paid about �5m for him and he seems to be showing that at Charlton.

cavan_fan

20/12/2006, 3:36 PM

There are actually 8 Irish players in the top 100, which is as good as I can remember for a long time. Especially when you consider some of the players not there ie Duff, Given and Keane (our best 3 players?) and Carr

Not that I want this to be a weekly check but this week it's down to 6. Really we have 2 players doing really well (Doyle 10th, Finnan 15th) one doing well (Dunne 60th) and a few towards the bottom (Currently Kenny 78th, Kilbane 81st and Carsley 100th). I think O'Shea and Reid have dropped out. Assuming Given will move up as he plays more matches, would be interested to hear your predictions for how many we'll have in top 100 at end of season?

ken foree

20/12/2006, 4:13 PM

wading in on the "technically gifted" debate here just to make a broader point - it's necessary to be a good two-footed midfielder in the modern era and i think that skill is really becoming more widespread in the english game, whereas s. american/continental teams seem to have valued this particular attribute for longer. paul scholes, terrifically gifted technically, is hopelessy one-footed. roy keane was likewise. certainly they can receive and play a ball with their weaker foot but they lack(ed) the balance of a "true" two-footed player, one that can dribble, cross, pass, and shoot very well with one foot and exceptionally with the other. i think robbie and duff might be the best for us in this department, unsurprisingly. zidane was probably the pinnacle in this regard in recent years.

ken foree

20/12/2006, 4:22 PM

..and mcgeady, of course.

kingdom hoop

20/12/2006, 4:33 PM

Kingdom Hoop
Its a very valid point. Reid doesnt stand out. Hes mediocre
We are only aware of him because of him being Irish. Not because hes a great player.

personally i follow the english game quite closely so i'm confident that i would be aware of him if he were english. as i said earlier i've heard of jenas, lennon and darren ambrose too for that matter.

of course that doesnt answer the mediocrity question, which is a matter of opinion given that he hasnt conclusively proven either way. what i'm sure of is that he has ability well beyond mediocre levels. the current charlton team is mediocre as a whole but reid in their performances over the last few months has stood head and shoulders above his comrades. is this because he is mediocre, or because the team around him is worse than mediocre? in which case i would like to know a benchmark for mediocrity - is it premiership mediocrity, international mediocrity, eircom league mediocrity? he is currently the best player at a side that are the ultimate mediocre premiership team, he has proven he is well above championship mediocrity from Forest, and IMO has played well on the international scene.

in terms of comparing him to competitors for an irish spot, i guess kilbane is too easy a target - when will kilbane ever stand out in a team? - not standing out would be my understanding of mediocre so surely reid given his charlton form is above mediocre and worthy of his place above kilbane who is destined for life long mediocrity in all he does. it isnt easy to judge reid considering he has never had more than a few months injury free, so the fact that he has shown a great eye for a pass, can score great goals is enough to lead me to state he is above premiership average and it follows that he is above irish average.

his negative points are that he gets injured frequently and, by extension, looks overweight.. those attributes do not define a player as mediocre, a player with little football talent only rises above mediocrity when, like keano, they make up for it with organisation, work-rate and commitment - mostly psychological characteristics that can be drilled into a player but without which the player wont make a name for himself. i could go on all day, my point is that a cultured player like andy should be embraced, and encouraged to add the extra bit to his game that will see him go from slightly above average to well above average, a work in progress in charlton's dogfight

tricky_colour

21/12/2006, 12:31 AM

Not that I want this to be a weekly check but this week it's down to 6. Really we have 2 players doing really well (Doyle 10th, Finnan 15th) one doing well (Dunne 60th) and a few towards the bottom (Currently Kenny 78th, Kilbane 81st and Carsley 100th). I think O'Shea and Reid have dropped out. Assuming Given will move up as he plays more matches, would be interested to hear your predictions for how many we'll have in top 100 at end of season?

Hard to says as I don't know how the index is compiled, and what kind of time frame is used, and of course you can't predict injuries. If I had to put my mortgage on a player being in it it would be Finnan. Then probably Doyle if he keeps scoring. I think it is difficult for someone like Robbie Keane if he is rotated. O'Shea won't get back in if he is not starting. Dunne will probably be there. Carsley is on the slide but has been in the top 10 before. Kilbane may well be in. I think A. Reid might get back in especially if he gets a goal or two. I think Carr was in before he was injured maybe S. Reid also can't remember.
Given will probably get back in when he has played enough games. Hard to predict for goal keepers so I would say Kenny is 50/50 same goes for other players in the bottom half. It could be as low as 3 or as high as 11 so I will have to plump for 7.
It's a pity they don't show the top 200 becuase you don't know who is hovering on the fringes. I wonder where Geary is for example? But basically you have to be playing regularly to have a chance. Statistics are not everything but then again opinions can be biased and unless you what every premiership match every week, which is about 1/2 a days solid viewing they are as good a guide as any.

tricky_colour

21/12/2006, 12:42 AM

If you look at Andy Reids stats on Opta they are pretty impressive
http://home.skysports.com/optastats.aspx?clid=33&hlid=OPTA_Charlton_Athletic&cpid=8
He features high in most categories, bar tackling, which is understandable for
a more attacking player. 48.1% in both dribbling and shooting. And his passing is
high when you consider he is a forward player where passes are harder to make sucessfully.

eirebhoy

21/12/2006, 9:59 AM

It's a pity they don't show the top 200 becuase you don't know who is hovering on the fringes. I wonder where Geary is for example? But basically you have to be playing regularly to have a chance.
There's not even 200 players playing regularly. :)

tricky_colour

21/12/2006, 4:08 PM

There are certaintly more than 200 Premiership players, only a small percentage will play every game.

joema

24/12/2006, 10:24 PM

Crazy comment Keane is massively gifted technically

Kingdom Hoop
Its a very valid point. Reid doesnt stand out. Hes mediocre
We are only aware of him because of him being Irish. Not because hes a great player.

Andy Reid -mediocre?? Are you on drugs??

Reid has fantastic ability - its hardly surprising spurs paid 4/5 million for him - after all Spurs have a reputation for signing the best young talent outside in the prem - eg Huddlestone, Dawson etc. The fact that they rated Reid so highly shows he must have something about him!!! Things didnt work out for him at Spurs but thats hardly surprising considering the amount of midfielders they have/had, on top of this he also struggled with injuries.

He was brilliant on the left wing for Forrest, naturally when he stepped up to the Prem it was harder for him to do a good job on the left as he lacks pace and isnt really the type of player who gets past his man before he crosses.

But now Charlton seem to realise he is best deployed in the centre of midfield where he can make things happen and influence the game more. He has, IMO world class creativity and is gives a brilliant through pass.

Andy Reid is a great player, he certainly i not "mediocre"

He has great creativity - on his senior international debut he was superb in the centre of midfield - albeit against Canada