City Boundaries in Ireland

[rebs23]

Can't believe the narrow minded parochial non sense from some of the Cork County Councillors to the request that the City expand it's boundary to include some of the older suburban areas. The proposal doesn't even include Carrigaline, Ballincollig, Midleton or Cobh and they come out with nonsense about Napolean and Russia etc. It would give the city a proper (ish) boundary with a new population of around 200,000 and its been resisted for what reason???

It's just ridicolous at this stage and I know Cork isn't alone in this Waterford and Limerick have just as outdated boundaries while Dublin have at least 3 L.A.'s administering the same city.

Needs sorting out!

[MyTown]

The Mayor Of Galway City was recently savaged by a few county councillors because he suggested something similar for us as has been floated down South today.

You're basically watching a turf war. The county councillors don't want to lose their power & influence - (what little they have left) - so they're all throwing the toys out of the pram instead of honestly addressing the crises that are affecting suburbs all over the country.

A lot of would be politicians use the local authourities as their apprenticeship for the big league in Dail Eireann & even if they don't make it that far - they still get off on the power trip of being "somebody" in the local community.

[pete]

Can you link to some stories as I am not familiar with the details...?

[Peadar]

Here's a link, (http://www.rte.ie/news/2006/1113/cork.html) Pete.
Cork County Council is the largest in the Country and has a fairly good record of management in their jurisdiction.
The suggestion that the City Council would take control of such a large area and deprive the county of so much revenue is always going to be a contentious issue, hotly debated. Cork County Council would get absolutely nothing out of this proposal, from what I can see, so their opposition to it would appear to be fully justified.

This one wont be settled anytime soon.

[Lim till i die]

Limerick in particular is absolutely ridiculous

I forget the exact figures but your probably talking about at least half the population of the city being in the county :rolleyes:

[rebs23]

[QUOTE=Peadar;573647

Cork County Council would get absolutely nothing out of this proposal, from what I can see, so their opposition to it would appear to be fully justified.

This one wont be settled anytime soon.[/QUOTE]

But what is their opposition based on. The fact they would loose revenue is a small point when you consider the potential loss of inward investment to other regions, the marketing of the city and the smooth running of the suburbs for the people of the city.

The point remains that Douglas, Togher, Bishopstown, Ballincollig, Glanmire, etc are just as much a part of the city as Patrick St is and any artificial/nonsensical administrative barriers that stop the efficient running of the city for all the people should be removed.

If Cork City Council did have all the suburbs around the city within their boundary then the population would be at least twice what the reported/official population currently is.

I know this is not confined to just Cork and it needs some sort of independant commission to sort out all the LA Boundaries in this country because they are a mess and inhibit proper planning.

[rebs23]

Limerick in particular is absolutely ridiculous

I forget the exact figures but your probably talking about at least half the population of the city being in the county :rolleyes:

In Limerick you have the added bonus of not only the County of Limerick but also Clare. The proposal there would mean a population of around 90,000 with an offiial curret pop of 53,000. It's just ridicolous and inhibits investment and marketing of these cities.

[sadloserkid]

In Limerick you have the added bonus of not only the County of Limerick but also Clare. The proposal there would mean a population of around 90,000 with an offiial curret pop of 53,000. It's just ridicolous and inhibits investment and marketing of these cities.

The siutation in Limerick is a shambles at this stage. Dooradoyle, Raheen and Corbally are all big residential areas within the city that aren't included in the population figures. There's no break of any description between the city and these areas, it's just grown that way. Limerick has suffered more than most in this regard because it's lost it's status as the third city in the country. It's a ridiculous scenario that shows no real sign of changing either. Local government representatives have a lot to answer for.

[sonofstan]

To be fair, its not just an Irish thing - Manchester city council area has a population of about 1/2 million, whereas the city *really*has in excess of 2.2 million, divided up between other boroughs and county councils - Liverpool the same.

In the US many northern and eastern cities have suffered from 'white flight' where the old city is left with the poor, huddled masses as a tax base and the prosperous white middle class moves to low tax *rural* counties