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[harpskid]

Drogs 1-0 up on Derry - Barrett on 10mins.

Still 0-0 in The Showgrounds

[BohsFans]

IRE PR 31' Drogheda 2-0 (-) Derry
IRE PR 31' Sligo 0-1 (-) Shelbourne

[SRFC Head]

Drogs 2 - 0 Derry - Barret 10, 28
Rovers 0 - $hels 1 - Byrne 26

[holidaysong]

1-0 to Rovers vs. Monaghan... :(

[RonnieB]

league over imo if derry cant pull a proverbial cat out of the bag.

[ollie]

chalk it down.hope they do manage to pull it back.will make the rest of the run in interesting especially with shels coming down here on friday:ball:

[BohsFans]

2-0 to the scum against Monaghan. ****!

[BohsFans]

Derry have pulled 1 back.

50' Drogs 2-1 Derry :)

Kevin Deery

[pineapple stu]

Go on...

[BohsFans]

IRE PR 72' Sligo 0-2 (0-1) Shelbourne :(

[MrJoeSoap]

2-0 Shels, Moore.

[micls]

chalk it down.hope they do manage to pull it back.will make the rest of the run in interesting especially with shels coming down here on friday:ball:

Screw that....i want them to either draw our lose giving us the outside chance of nicking second

[BohsFans]

2-0 Shels, Moore.

Down as a Huhes OG

[MrJoeSoap]

Down as a Huhes OG

Yeah, apparently a Moore cross turned in by Hughes.

[pól-dcfc]

3 fúcking 1 drogs.

Capitulation.

[BohsFans]

Kenny's bottled it again!

[MrJoeSoap]

3-1!!!!!!!!

[pól-dcfc]

Kenny's bottled it again!


Fúck up.

[BohsFans]

Fúck up.

Truth hurts eh.

[MrJoeSoap]

Truth hurts eh.

Only if you're a Derry fan! :D :ball:

[bohs til i die]

Kenny's bottled it again!

in 2003 Bohs took 7 points from 12 against Shels, Shels took 4 points and still managed to finish 5 points ahead of Bohs.

in 2004 Bohs took 6 points to Shels' 3 and they finished 8 points ahead of Bohs.

I know Kenny left half way through the 2004 season but its the overall consistancy of Shels against the other clubs that has won them 2 and most likely 3 titles.

Shels and Derry have played each other in 3 league games this season. They have taken 4 points each yet Shels have a more consistant record against the other teams.

The run in towards the end of 2003 is remarkably simialr to this season for the team managed by Kenny. Fixture congestion followed by indifferent results against lesser teams. Derry have taken 12 points from 33 and have had a crap run at home and have only themselves to blame for the fixture pile-up which is hurting them.

[pól-dcfc]

Just don't think we bottled it. We just haven't been consistent enough.

[bohs til i die]

Just don't think we bottled it. We just haven't been consistent enough.

Draws at home to Bohs, Bray, Drogheda and a defeat to Drogheda in past month have killed your title challenge. Exact same type of results for Bohs in 2003 when we landed the fixture list from hell as a result of postponements and poor re-fixturing of games.

[Aaron]

I'll settle for the cup now. If Shels lose on Friday and we win our next two its all square but it will be extremely difficult. Its Shels to lose now

[MrJoeSoap]

Shels really only need a win from the last three to clinch it. If Derry drop any points then Shels only need a point.

[sonofstan]

Shels really only need a win from the last three to clinch it.

assuming they get their replay

[Dr.Nightdub]

...then Shels only need a point.

Sounds familiar! :D

[The Sheliban]

However, if Cork beat Shels and Derry beat Waterford, we're back in the melting point again.

I don't like the word "bottle" How can Derry reach 2 Cup finals and win through 2 European rounds and not have bottle???

[hoops1]

Because in the cups anything can happen on the day. The other team in all likely feels the same pressure.In the league its a different kind of pressure
that grinds you down and wears you out.Its more of a pressure to keep it up
rather than do anything special. A pressure of consistent performance.
Most top flight clubs could win a cup the best only win the league

[CollegeTillIDie]

Ok here's a suggestion for avoiding fixture pile-ups for the likes of Shels and Derry at the start of next season. When the Setanta Cup starts, the participating teams play each other in League fixtures on the Fridays before those games. This would get each participating team in the Setanta Cup, at least three games played in advance before the formal League starts, thus giving them more time for their European fixtures , and avoiding the kind of pile ups seen this season. The games would be competitive you'd be looking at the Likes of Derry V Shels one week, Cork v Derry the next etc

[OneRedArmy]

Kenny's bottled it again!Bearing in mind we haven't been on top of the League for approximately 2 and a half months and Shels have been there most of the season, I think you're talking crap.

Good luck with the Belfast spoofer spending your pile of money (replacing your previous spoofer who also spent a pile of money).

Give me battles for the title and European runs rather than mid-table mediocrity and a clubhouse with 3 bars.....

Bitterness and jealousy is a terrible thing.

Onwards to the Cup Final.

[wws]

Bearing in mind we haven't been on top of the League for approximately 2 and a half months and Shels have been there most of the season, I think you're talking crap.

Good luck with the Belfast spoofer spending your pile of money (replacing your previous spoofer who also spent a pile of money).

Give me battles for the title and European runs rather than mid-table mediocrity and a clubhouse with 3 bars.....

Bitterness and jealousy is a terrible thing.

Onwards to the Cup Final.

oi leave it out i was counting on yiz bottling that too

[bohs til i die]

Bearing in mind we haven't been on top of the League for approximately 2 and a half months and Shels have been there most of the season, I think you're talking crap.

Good luck with the Belfast spoofer spending your pile of money (replacing your previous spoofer who also spent a pile of money).

Give me battles for the title and European runs rather than mid-table mediocrity and a clubhouse with 3 bars.....

Bitterness and jealousy is a terrible thing.

Onwards to the Cup Final.


I dont think its bottle either, just sheer stupidity over postponing fixtures and waiting until October/November to re-arrange them.

Kenny has a history of doing this as well

[Raheny Red]

Oh happy days, we keep on getting the results and the players are not even playing near their best yet :D :cool:. Should be good fun in the Village come Friday ;)

[OneRedArmy]

I dont think its bottle either, just sheer stupidity over postponing fixtures and waiting until October/November to re-arrange them.

Kenny has a history of doing this as wellThe postponed fixtures have killed us, but I'm not sure we had much choice over when to replay them BTID. Last nite's game may be an exception as it was postponed from July 26th when Drogs and Derry mutually agreed to postpone the game scheduled for the Friday before both our UEFA 1st leg 2nd round ties, which benefited both clubs as they progressed in Europe.

But with 20/20 hindsight I can't help but think we'd have been better to play that game as scheduled.

What was out of our control was the ridiculous 2 week break for the World Cup.

Premiership and Scottish teams manage to progress much further in Europe and still avoid playing 20 odd games in 6 weeks, why can't we?

[Macy]

Premiership and Scottish teams manage to progress much further in Europe and still avoid playing 20 odd games in 6 weeks, why can't we?
Because they play the weekend fixtures before and inbetween European games. It is the policy of postponing for European games that's the problem, which comes back to bite those clubs later when their bringing up the issue of fixture. If it's to continue then we should look at extending the season to allow for this, or schedule the qualifiers to play each other around this time, which can then be re-arranged for earlier in the season similar to CTID's suggestion.

[wws]

Because they play the weekend fixtures before and inbetween European games. It is the policy of postponing for European games that's the problem, which comes back to bite those clubs later when their bringing up the issue of fixture. If it's to continue then we should look at extending the season to allow for this, or schedule the qualifiers to play each other around this time, which can then be re-arranged for earlier in the season similar to CTID's suggestion.



make this a sticky - this re scheduling of the euro effected teams has been a disaster for the league (and i also include the ludicrous "world cup break" - which actually reconvenes while the world cup is on!)

the problem does lie with the various managers caught up in the "euro bug"
Kenny is merely making the same errors as Dolan (intertoto) Rico and fenlon before him - they, and the league authorities view euro progress as paramount - than bitch and moan when they have fixture pile up at the end.

Derry's failure is more to do with Drogs coming back into form at the very time when Derry had to play them so often - that was Derry's undoing.

[bohs til i die]

The postponed fixtures have killed us, but I'm not sure we had much choice over when to replay them BTID. Last nite's game may be an exception as it was postponed from July 26th when Drogs and Derry mutually agreed to postpone the game scheduled for the Friday before both our UEFA 1st leg 2nd round ties, which benefited both clubs as they progressed in Europe.

But with 20/20 hindsight I can't help but think we'd have been better to play that game as scheduled.

What was out of our control was the ridiculous 2 week break for the World Cup.

Premiership and Scottish teams manage to progress much further in Europe and still avoid playing 20 odd games in 6 weeks, why can't we?


Derry's other defeat to Drogheda was a game postponed in May because of Drogheda's participation in the Setanta Cup final.

Take two games out of the run in and Derry have some serious recovery time when they need it most.

Also, Kenny also did this in 2003. He hasnt learned yet.

[bohs til i die]

make this a sticky - this re scheduling of the euro effected teams has been a disaster for the league (and i also include the ludicrous "world cup break" - which actually reconvenes while the world cup is on!)

the problem does lie with the various managers caught up in the "euro bug"
Kenny is merely making the same errors as Dolan (intertoto) Rico and fenlon before him - they, and the league authorities view euro progress as paramount - than bitch and moan when they have fixture pile up at the end.

Derry's failure is more to do with Drogs coming back into form at the very time when Derry had to play them so often - that was Derry's undoing.



The world cup break was a joke but the league did start a week earlier then last year so it wasnt as much an issue as it appears at first glance.

[OneRedArmy]

make this a sticky - this re scheduling of the euro effected teams has been a disaster for the league (and i also include the ludicrous "world cup break" - which actually reconvenes while the world cup is on!)

the problem does lie with the various managers caught up in the "euro bug"
Kenny is merely making the same errors as Dolan (intertoto) Rico and fenlon before him - they, and the league authorities view euro progress as paramount - than bitch and moan when they have fixture pile up at the end.

Derry's failure is more to do with Drogs coming back into form at the very time when Derry had to play them so often - that was Derry's undoing.I'd say thats probably true.

We took a gamble, it paid in terms of the Euro run but came back to haunt us in the League.

One difference in relation to Macy's post is that the Irish UEFA teams are always going to be hamstrung playing on a Thursday if clubs don't agree to a Sunday/Monday game, they obviously can't play on the Friday night.

AFAIK re-scheduled games are to be mutually agreed between clubs with the League only intervening in disputes?

[lofty9]

Excuses, excuses, excuses. A load of balls. Derry have a big enough squad to cope with the demands of the extra games. The fact is we should be beating Bray, Bohs, Drogheda and UCD at the Brandywell - we didn't. No matter how many games we played - the squad should have handled it and the fringe players should have been used. Molloy and Martyn started nearly every game recently and we could have rested them or one of them when playing against teams like Bray (no offence).

[Dee75]

Derry have taken 12 points from 33 and have had a crap run at home and have only themselves to blame for the fixture pile-up which is hurting them.

That's right we shouldn't have done so well in Europe this season. If we had of lost to Gothenburg in the first round we would have got abuse for not helping the league so then we go and play six games in europe therefore helping the league and it's our fault for the fixture pile-up. The league need to help the teams who qualify for Europe. As it stands I wouldn't like to be in europe next season if it means another fixture mess

[OneRedArmy]

Excuses, excuses, excuses. A load of balls. Derry have a big enough squad to cope with the demands of the extra games. The fact is we should be beating Bray, Bohs, Drogheda and UCD at the Brandywell - we didn't. No matter how many games we played - the squad should have handled it and the fringe players should have been used. Molloy and Martyn started nearly every game recently and we could have rested them or one of them when playing against teams like Bray (no offence).Were you at the match last night?!

We were played off the pitch. The fringe players were played and they played, well, like fringe players!!!! The regulars looked so mentally tired it was unreal.

We signed our death warrant when we left ourselves with a game every 3 or 4 days for the last 10 weeks of the season.

Its not crying over spilled milk, its a fact.

[bohs til i die]

That's right we shouldn't have done so well in Europe this season. If we had of lost to Gothenburg in the first round we would have got abuse for not helping the league so then we go and play six games in europe therefore helping the league and it's our fault for the fixture pile-up. The league need to help the teams who qualify for Europe. As it stands I wouldn't like to be in europe next season if it means another fixture mess


AFAIK

Derry agreed to a request from Drogheda to postpone a game in Drogheda in July. The game was postponed because of european games SIX days after the postponed game, and the two clubs both played the previous Sunday.

That game was scheduled 8 days after both played in Europe and 6 days before they were to play in Europe again. Sheer madness.

If you cannot play games with 4/5 days in between during the summer then you should not play in Europe. This was the exact same line I took when Kenny was getting our league games postponed in 2003 because we were playing CL games on the Wednesday. It ultimately cost us a title IMO.

Also it was 6 months ago that Drogheda v Derry was postponed because of the Setanta cup final. Why did it take so long to re-fix?

The fixture mess is down to managers of league clubs, nobody else.

[tomsoc]

I'd agree that the World Cup break was a joke, exposed totally when we had games going head-to-head with the knockout stages including league cup games on the same nights as the World Cup semi-finals.

The fixture list needs looking at and there are a few easy changes to make. I still don't understand why there's a full programme of Premier Division games scheduled for the same dates as the FAI Cup semi-finals. It immediately forces at least two rearranged games into the last three weeks of the season. Leaving it free would also allow other teams the possibility of playing rearranged games on their usual weekend date (if they don't reach the semis).

The Derry - Drogs six day postponement was the most ridiculous though. The league could easily work the first rounds of all the UEFA competitions into the fixture list, moving the competing teams to the following Sunday or Monday (depending on the competition) instead the list is published with games that are guaranteed to be rescheduled.

[bohs til i die]

The Derry - Drogs six day postponement was the most ridiculous though. The league could easily work the first rounds of all the UEFA competitions into the fixture list, moving the competing teams to the following Sunday or Monday (depending on the competition) instead the list is published with games that are guaranteed to be rescheduled.



I said it a few years ago, schedule some mid-week games between UEFA/CL teams for earlier in the season [May/June]

[pineapple stu]

schedule the qualifiers to play each other around this time, which can then be re-arranged for earlier in the season similar to CTID's suggestion.
On this point, the NLSA mentioned it to the FAI at one of our meetings during the year. We were told that clubs were able to do this, but had to organise it themselves effectively.

There's 16 weeks of a pre-season; no reason why it can't be extended a week or two to allow clubs extra time to play postponed games.

We also queried the Drogheda-Derry postponement and were told that the FAI/league allowed it on the basis of "damned if we do, damned if we don't" - they were (rightly, IMO) slammed for allowing the postponement, but they said if they didn't allow it and Drogheda lost, they'd be slammed for holding our clubs back in Europe.

[Schumi]

I don't think you can blame the FAI/league for the Drogs - Derry postponement. It's the clubs' fault.

[pineapple stu]

Yes, the clubs should take blame too for the idea, but the league surely had the power to tell them to cop on to themselves?

[bohs til i die]

Yes, the clubs should take blame too for the idea, but the league surely had the power to tell them to cop on to themselves?


But if the league blocked it and a player [McCourt/Gavin for example] got injured and missed the European game then the clubs would slaughter the league.

Its the clubs/managers fault, end of.