New players

[bwagner]

Lads looking at the sports file last week with england verus ireland ... what a team .. a lot were english born players .. do you think we need to start calling up and scouting out a few more... Varney of Crewe ??? Mahon of Wigan for a bit of steel, the young player for utd was called keiran lee ..sounds Irish to me.
Im not sayin we should be begging for them but we need a larger pool of talent.....any one know any other candidates???????

[Soper]

Or we could focus on making our domestic league viable and producing our own young players.

[bwagner]

Yea I would love to see that but its not gonna happen.

[Soper]

With that attitude it won't.We've already seen what a little bit of effort can result in e.g. Doyle, Long, Daryl Murphy.

[livehead1]

With that attitude it won't.We've already seen what a little bit of effort can result in e.g. Doyle, Long, Daryl Murphy.

all of whom then had to subsequently gain a move to and english club to gain a good wage. The whole emphasis has to change.

[bwagner]

Your right super, we need to really get this league out of the rut it is in.
One thing that will help is our seedings and success in europe will encourage some players to stay rather than go to barnet or the like

[cheifo]

I would love to have some players from our league repersenting us but how long have we been saying this?You have to admit it is a bit embarrassing when we are publicly chasing players like Nolan, Cahill etc.We look like a right bunch of sluts.

[irishfan86]

I have no problem taking on a mercenary that wants to play for us and is definitively better than a player we already have available to us.

If a Championship team got promoted with a hell of a left back, and he had an Irish granny and wanted to play for us, I'd be fine with that.

But going after players like St.Ledger does raise a few eyebrows and turns us into a bit of a joke. Now he may well go on and do great things for us, but I just hope not at the expense of a guy like McShane or McCarthy.

[cheifo]

My big hope was Garvan as our next big thing.Anybody heard any further news on his recovery.

[Stuttgart88]

This is the last I heard:

October 9 2006

Town midfielder Owen Garvan has not yet set a date to return to action following his bout of post viral fatigue.

Owen has missed the entire season so far after suffering with shingles in the summer which was followed up by post viral fatigue syndrome but he is making progress and has started some very light training.

Owen: “I have been doing some pilates-based exercises and am seeing the physio staff each day, it's obviously a frustrating time for me but I've been told by the specialists that I have to take my recovery one day at a time.

“Some days I feel better than others but I do feel that I am progressing and the physio staff have been great.

“I've not been given any targets to do this and that, it's just a case of one step at a time.

“I've also spoken to the manager and he has reassured me that I will be given as long as is needed to get back to full fitness.”

Town boss Jim Magilton added: “Owen is back around the place which is good to see.


“Our physio staff are monitoring his progress but as far as we're concerned Owen will be back playing football again when he is 100 per cent ready and not before. It's as simple as that.”



Source: Ipswich Town – the official website

[lofty9]

Billy Clark of Ipswich is very highly regarded.(he is Irish born too!)

[Paddy Garcia]

This is the last I heard:

October 9 2006

Owen has missed the entire season so far after suffering with shingles in the summer which was followed up by post viral fatigue syndrome but he is making progress and has started some very light training.
Source: Ipswich Town – the official website

Reminds me of Brady, I remember him lighting up the top division in England with fantastic performances.:(

[drinkfeckarse]

High praise indeed, I've only watched Garvan a couple of times on the box but certainly he looked as if he could open a can of beans with that left peg of his.

[Stuttgart88]

Reminds me of Brady, I remember him lighting up the top division in England with fantastic performances.:(

As a complete aside, my mate now lives in Italy (a few on here met him with me over in Stuttgart). He says it's not just us who look at a new midfielder coming through and go "he could be the new Liam Brady". Apparently in Italy they also use the "new Liam Brady" analogy when a young midfielder emerges.

High praise for Brady when you consider how many quality players have played in Italy.

[Stuttgart88]

from oneteaminireland.bravehost.com:

Ipswich Town midfielder Owen Garvan took a step towards a first team return on Wednesday when he took part in a reserve team friendly.

Owen has not played at all for Ipswich this season after suffering a bout of shingles in the summer which was followed by post viral syndrome, he played 45 minutes of the second string friendly against Colchester but it is still taking it a day at a time.

Town manager Jim Magilton: “Owen surprised us by playing a half for the reserves and did okay, we weren't expecting him to play but he wanted a game so we threw him on and he looked pretty good.


“It's another stepping stone in his recovery but it's still a case of taking it one day at a time with him.”

[youngirish]

from oneteaminireland.bravehost.com:

Ipswich Town midfielder Owen Garvan took a step towards a first team return on Wednesday when he took part in a reserve team friendly.

Owen has not played at all for Ipswich this season after suffering a bout of shingles in the summer which was followed by post viral syndrome, he played 45 minutes of the second string friendly against Colchester but it is still taking it a day at a time.

Town manager Jim Magilton: “Owen surprised us by playing a half for the reserves and did okay, we weren't expecting him to play but he wanted a game so we threw him on and he looked pretty good.


“It's another stepping stone in his recovery but it's still a case of taking it one day at a time with him.”
Good news on Garvan. Hopefully he'll be back before Christmas. This illness has stopped his career dead in its tracks after a very promising debut season last year.
On a side note Chris McCann scored for Burnley at the weekend after starting for the first time in a while. He was playing defence as far as I know and not his usual midfield role. By all accounts he played very well though. Isn't he an ex team mate of Garvan's from Home Farm or somwhere?

[paul_oshea]

We've already seen what a little bit of effort can result in e.g. Doyle, Long, Daryl Murphy.


ya good point soper, they are all in england!!

[DeNiro]

I think there is a phobia in the Irish set up about Irish born youngsters. We've always seemed to be drawn to English born players. I remember in 1992 there was a near outrage when Phil Whelan of Ipswich declared for England, but at the time Jack had Brian Carey and Liam Daish in the set up. Paul McCarthy was in the U21s. The grass always seems greener. Another example was Steve Froggatt. We seemed to be endlessly chasing this guy, but we had Andy Turner who had already declared. If we spent more time developing instead of chasing we'd be better off.

[Soper]

ya good point soper, they are all in england!!

And where did they come from?Doyle was good enough for Ireland when he was playing here.

[dr_peepee]

In Doyle people are using the exception to prove the rule. for every doyle there's a Richie Foran, Wes Houlihan, Colin Hawkin, Eamon Zayed (Trial with Crewe), Richie Baker and so on.

I think it's fair to say that when Doyle made his move he had a somewhat lesser profile than some of those listed that moved abroad made little impact.

[citizenerased]

The infrastructure at grass roots is a disgrace, we should be trying to keep are young players, and blood them in the domestic league..

Look at denmark, who have the same population as ireland and have excellent infrastructure. They keep their young players, and use them to get into europe, and if they want to sell them, they can sell them for a value that is realistic and fair, e.g Dan Agger, Martin Albrachtsen, etc.

Irish clubs are getting rapedd and piliged by english clubs, offering them a measely 50 or 100k for a player who is evidently worth much more.

[CollegeTillIDie]

I think there is a phobia in the Irish set up about Irish born youngsters.......I remember in 1992 there was a near outrage when Phil Whelan of Ipswich declared for England, but at the time Jack had Brian Carey and Liam Daish in the set up........................ Paul McCarthy was in the U21s.

De Niro

The reason for chasing eligible English born players was a simple one of numbers. Nowadays, there are not that many people eligible to play for Ireland getting into the first teams of cross channel clubs, because of the influx of players from Europe, Africa and SOuth America into the English leagues.

If the case taken by the G 14 clubs to court, to get compensation for wages from National Associations while their contracted players are on international duty, is successful, we will have an all domestic based national team sooner than people would think. The FAI are not going to fork out multi-thousands, to Premiership clubs in lost wages, for the sort of performances witnessed in Nicosia.

To get back to your point about Phil Whelan, it is interesting to note that neither he, nor Kevin Gallen another famous Irish eligible player who opted for England, ever made it at Senior international level. A salutory lesson to those considering declaring for England.

The only sport where Irish people declaring for England have been continually successful is Rugby Union ... Kyran Bracken springs to mind as a regular international for them.

p.s. As an aside, not all English born players are in that category. Since the late 1960's emigrants returned to these shores, so many people born in Ireland, Australia and America were actually raised and educated here. If I can quote Rugby again as an example Ronan O'Gara I believe was born in San Diego. You're not going to tell me he is a Yank!

[tetsujin1979]

Ronan O'Gara I believe was born in San Diego. You're not going to tell me he is a Yank!

I've heard a few times that Paddy McCarthy was born in Mexico City!