View Full Version : Are we in the premiership already?
corbyeire
24/10/2006, 5:33 PM
Regardless of what happens, we won't be playing Shamrock Rovers in any play-off.
The play-off is between the 2nd team in the FD and the 11th team in the PD.
i think eamo was on about beating them into third place so it would be GUFC against the prem team - not na raugairi
Tir Oilean
24/10/2006, 6:02 PM
Does this mean were not goin to get up if we finish in third or is this playoff thing just a suggestion in the event of Shams not goin up on points etc?
Am I right in thinking that the presentation was a complete waste of time for Nial and his team if its going to a play off?
I'm getting a bit suspicious of handing over the league to the FAI. They keep changing the goalposts. I'll have to read more about this and the joke seems to be that its not on the FAI website.
John83
24/10/2006, 6:17 PM
this is a joke right?????where the hell did this come out of???
if a certain MASSIVE CLUB FROM TALLAGHT dont get up by winning the league they will have the playoff to try and win,what i wouldnt give to beat them in/to the playoff(depending the format of it),how sweet would that be:) .what a joke though,i just hope the clubs got more prior knowledge then us fans did.
Oh, good God, quit the conspiracy theories please. The playoff was in the original merger proposals, and it effects only the number of points the two teams involved (2nd in Div1, 11th in Prem) get for this season - barely at that.
corbyeire
24/10/2006, 9:24 PM
lets say for example the 11th placed team has infinite number of points ahead of the 2nd in div 1 - what is the point of the playoff then? and as you say stig the points available are small
The e15 thing is based on the overwhelming confidence that we'll be in the PD next year. Based on the on-field criteria, we are just slightly off the top 12. I believe that the other 50pc for off-field will comfortably carry us over.
As regards paying e15, I don't mind for Premier Division games but the quality of football in Division One is certainly not good enough to justify this price.
eamo1
25/10/2006, 12:44 AM
those prices either,nobody seems to know how much a student season ticket will be btw,anyone care to help??????paying 15 to see us play derry,cork,shels etc will be well worth it,i think if this premier division is marketed right we could have 2500/3000 at most games.but the thing is if we do go up we need a complete clearout of players though,1 step at a time though i suppose,we have to cross a few big bridges before we need to address that.
GUISAUltra
25/10/2006, 10:09 AM
those prices either,nobody seems to know how much a student season ticket will be btw,anyone care to help??????paying 15 to see us play derry,cork,shels etc will be well worth it,i think if this premier division is marketed right we could have 2500/3000 at most games.but the thing is if we do go up we need a complete clearout of players though,1 step at a time though i suppose,we have to cross a few big bridges before we need to address that.
i wouldnt say that we need a complete clearout but there is certain players who are not able to pull their own weight in the first division so they won't have a chance in the premier.
The Rebel Ram
25/10/2006, 9:56 PM
i just noticed an article in the programme tonight where nick lesson was talking about ticket prices for next season going up to 15euro a game,this doesnt sound like a division 1 ticket price to me.also season tickets going up to 175euros,also doesnt seem like a division 1 season ticket price either.i realise,as the article says,that the club needs to vastly improve its income but we have a squad at the moment nearly good enough to win this division without a big boost in income.this boost that hes talking about seems to me like premiership standard income.maybe im completely wide of the mark,im just wondering,thats all.
I just read on Ramblers Website that from next season a club can only spend 65% of it's income on wages. I'm not too sure if ye have a clubhouse or not but if ye don't have a thriving one then ye might need to up the prices of entery to compete. It looks good for Ramblers because its clubhouse has a good customer base and makes good profit. I thought the FAI will be standardising prices though? maybe not.
GUISAUltra
25/10/2006, 10:25 PM
that rule where clubs can only spend 65% of its income on wages isnt coming into affect until 2008 but most clubs are trying to get to that level and maintain it, instead of just having to slash the wage bill in 2008
last fridays result doesnt effect our IAG rating that much at all,so this adds more fuel to the raging fire because as i thought it we needed to finish in the top 2 but last fridays result will probably mean we dont finish in the top 2(i realise we still can though).or maybe it just means that this was just 1 result and its taking into account results of last 4 seasons that counts,that could be it too.
no your reading it wrong. they are saying that they are still confindent in themselves in winning the league and that the result last friday will have no barrings on the IAG side of things. They still believe they have to finish at least in the top 2.
corbyeire
26/10/2006, 1:38 PM
eamo it does take into account last 4 seasons results aswell
GUISAUltra
26/10/2006, 1:58 PM
there is 50% going for off the pitch and 50% for on the pitch as we all know. The 50% for on the pitch is broken up into two parts, from 2002-2005 makes up 30% of your point allocation and we are 14th in that, Dundalk are quite a bit behind us. they are either in 18th or 19th. 20% is for this season, so even if dundalk do finish ahead of us this year, we will still be ahead of them overall from the 2002-05 points total. so
I think that if we finish third we still have a very strong chance of getting promoted ahead of dundalk as we will be ahead of them in the on the pitch stats and i'm nearly 100% certain that our off the pitch structure is better than theirs.
that being said it would be a disgrace if they win the first division and dont get promoted
holidaysong
26/10/2006, 2:07 PM
I think (as does everyone else) that we need to win the division to get up. And even then we could be the first club ever to have the chance to defend the first division title next season... How strange would that be! If Galway come second and win the playoff then I think that would be more than enough for you guys. I wouldn't like to be finishing third...
Just to point out- It's not Dundalk you have to finish ahead of (And from what I can tell they're actually pretty good off the pitch at this stage), it's really Bray or Waterford you have to catch (Rovers meanwhile will rank so highly for football that they're as good as promoted), and both will have higher points from football than Galway by some distance (56 points for Bray and 63 points for Waterford according to this (http://foot.ie/showpost.php?p=561195&postcount=34), which assumes the league finishes as it is now).
56 points is a lot to try and make up from the remaining 500 (not all of which the clubs have any influence over currently- like points for licensing compliance), especially as Bray have put in a new stand, have a massive catchment area and have always been fairly stable off the pitch.
As for the winners of D1 not getting 'promoted' (next year is actually a completely new league so no one actually gets promoted or relegated)- if they didn't like it they shouldn't have voted for it. At times it's as if no one from Dundalk actually read any of the FAI documents on this, especially John Gill.
holidaysong
26/10/2006, 2:22 PM
At times it's as if no one from Dundalk actually read any of the FAI documents on this, especially John Gill.
And voting against it really would have helped us? I think there was a lot of pressure coming from Merrion Sq. to sign up for it. If Dundalk hadn't to have signed up what chance would we have had of getting into the Super dooper League? At least we have a chance now...
BrayUnknowns
26/10/2006, 2:35 PM
Galway will need to win the 1st division if they want to be playing i the premiership next season, other than that it will be 1st division football again. To far behind the likes of Bray and UCD on the field points wise, and even if you get great marks for off the field it's to big of a gap to make up.
Best of luck thou, would love to see Weso back at the Carlisle playing for Galway in the premier
You have a point that a gun was basically pointed at the club's heads, but the fact that the clubs voted for means that they won't have a leg to stand on if they try to challenge the system at a later date.
However, the administration of the system may be another story- I think this could well end in chaos in December unless it's done right.
And to be honest, with a 76 point gap to Bray even if ye win the division I don't think ye have too much chance either way.
holidaysong
26/10/2006, 2:46 PM
And to be honest, with a 76 point gap to Bray even if ye win the division I don't think ye have too much chance either way.
We will just have to hope our "off the field" criteria does the job then. I hope we had a swanky DVD! :D
This topic should be deleted and we should be concentrating on our next 4 games .All mention of next season should be left until after 26/11/2006. The talk about this has clouded our whole season and if we dont make it questions will have to be asked .
corbyeire
26/10/2006, 4:40 PM
i think after all the dialogue - with dublin city gone it makes it easier that one gets promoted anyway - dont think it was ever a possibility that no team from div 1 was going to be in the new premier league
as regards a second team thats a different story and it seems like there are plenty of debatable loop holes that a second could theoretically get up - but as ye have said above - waterford and bray are well ahead - so at this stage is it not just academic?
then theres the playoff.......?!?!?!?!
what harm is this thread causing??????this is a relatively public forum for fans of the game to discuss things.we are just chatting about it,like you would ina pub etc,its harmless,how could it be influencing anything or anyone????????most people on this forum do go to the games and concentrate on them then but this is guys just discussing a topic in between games.again i ask you,how does this do harm???????to bar a thread from being discussed until a certain date is stupid and would lessen the credibility of this excellent forum in my opinion.
DmanDmythDledge
26/10/2006, 10:49 PM
56 points is a lot to try and make up from the remaining 500 (not all of which the clubs have any influence over currently- like points for licensing compliance), especially as Bray have put in a new stand, have a massive catchment area and have always been fairly stable off the pitch.
Do you know how the points will be allocated? Will all clubs be marked out of 500 or will it be done on a sliding scale the way they are doing the on the field stuff?
As for the winners of D1 not getting 'promoted' (next year is actually a completely new league so no one actually gets promoted or relegated)-
I think the proposals stated that promtion/relegation would take place(technically), for the sake of awarding points for on the field stuff, and then the league would be disbanded.
Galway will need to win the 1st division if they want to be playing i the premiership next season, other than that it will be 1st division football again. To far behind the likes of Bray and UCD on the field points wise, and even if you get great marks for off the field it's to big of a gap to make up.
AFAIK the difference in points between first, second and third is one point(between each) so it won't make that much of a difference.
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