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OwlsFan
20/10/2006, 7:55 AM
McGrath loved by all but himself

By Robert Philip

Giants Stadium, East Rutherford, NJ, June 18, 1994: Against all known logic, Ireland are leading World Cup favourites Italy through an early Ray Houghton goal. With minutes remaining, the Italians are mounting the latest in a never ceasing wave of attacks when Juventus striker Roberto Baggio, the reigning world and European Footballer of the Year, lines up a shot on the edge of the penalty area. As Baggio draws back his right foot, Paul McGrath materialises as if from nowhere to flick the ball off his toe with a perfectly timed sliding tackle. The ball breaks to Roberto Donadoni, who whips in a wicked cross towards Baggio, who is foiled a second time as McGrath soars above him to head clear the danger, landing on his hands and knees. Giuseppe Signori latches on to the loose ball and unleashes a powerful shot which McGrath, still on all fours, manages to block with the only available part of his body — his face. "Paul McGrath is one of the all-time greats," Republic of Ireland manager Jack Charlton is moved to say afterwards. "Someone to compare with Bobby Moore..."

Like Bobby Moore, Paul McGrath played football as though he was wearing a silk smoking jacket with a crystal glass in his hand. Tragically, off the pitch there was invariably a real glass of vodka or whatever in his hand. An alcoholic by his mid-twenties, McGrath's illness would result in four suicide attempts and two failed marriages during a career which brought him 83 international caps and the 1993 PFA Footballer of the Year award.

There should have been many, many more honours, needless to say. Towards the end of his playing days, McGrath returned to Old Trafford with Derby County to renew acquaintance with Sir Alex Ferguson, who had reluctantly jettisoned him after becoming Manchester United manager in 1986, because "my first concern was that I had to get rid of this idea that we were a drinking club rather than a football club". Derby won 3-2 after which Fergie described McGrath's display as "absolutely brilliant. He was man of the match. On the Monday after the game I remember sitting in my office with Brian Kidd talking about him. 'I'll tell you one thing,' I said, 'You have to wonder what a player Paul McGrath should have been'."
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McGrath does not deal in excuses for his addiction to drink even though his early life, as detailed in his recently published autobiography Back From The Brink, provides a heartbreaking insight into the possible reasons why he became such a tortured soul. The son of an Irish mother and Nigerian father whom he never knew, he was put into foster care at the age of 10 weeks and thereafter brought up in a series of Dublin orphanages. Now reconciled with the mum who was too terrified of her own father to bring home a black baby, there is nary a shred of anger in his voice when he explains: "Having got to know my grand-father in later years, I can fully understand why my mum couldn't take me home. I grew to quite like him but he was a very tough man. It would have been impossible for my mum to introduce me as his grandson."

Perhaps she could have simply pointed out how nicely tanned you were? "I don't think that would have worked. More than likely I'd have been scrubbed with carbolic soap. Even when my half-sister Okune was born and was accepted by the family, I didn't find it strange that she would come to visit me in the orphanage with my mum then go off home while I was left behind. At the age of five or whatever, you don't think too deeply about those sort of things."

McGrath's harrowing account of his childhood is enough to make anyone reach for a strong drink. "Apart from my mum's visits — which weren't yet all that regular — there were no sweets, no affection, no outside contact. Our only toys were a batch of used tyres in the yard, supplied by a local garage. We would roll the tyres or beat them with a stick for entertainment. Christmas was different. At Christmas, we would pick our way through a bag of second-hand toys delivered to the orphanage as an act of charity. On Christmas morning, luxury of luxuries, we'd even get an egg with our toast."

Football was to be McGrath's escape from poverty — from St Patrick's Athletic,where he was dubbed 'the Black Pearl of Inchicore', to Manchester United — but not from the demons which continued to haunt him. "Perhaps it was growing up in orphanages but I suppose I always felt I wasn't good enough, as a player or as a person. There was a lot of racial abuse when I was a kid — in the home there were five other coloured lads and we thought we were the only coloured kids in the whole of Ireland."

And even though, long before the arrival of Eric Cantona, Old Trafford would reverberate to the chant "Oooh-aaah Paul McGrath" as the hero of the terraces broke up another attack with a cute backheel to the goalkeeper or a delicate chip over the head of an attacker, the feeling persisted that he never quite belonged in the same circle as Bryan Robson, Ray Wilkins or his fellow serial carouser Norman Whiteside. Thus did the bottle become his crutch. "By the age of 26 I knew I was an alcoholic. If we were invited to a party or a social function I found I needed a drink before meeting up with the other United players. I thought it was a confidence-booster but, of course, it turned out to be a chain around my neck. I always felt I needed that little extra edge just to get me through the front door. And then I would make a show of myself. It was a roller-coaster because I could go months without a drink and then some social engagement I'd promised to keep would draw near and I needed the crutch of either tablets or alcohol."

Eventually, Sir Alex had seen enough and both McGrath and Whiteside were unloaded, the Irishman to Graham Taylor's Aston Villa, where he would win the first of two League Cup-winners' medals against his former boss at Wembley in 1994. "In Ireland especially, I could do no wrong even when I'd done wrong so you have to admire Fergie for letting me go.

"We hadn't spoken in the five years since I'd left Old Trafford but after that League Cup final he made a point of coming over to me on the pitch and saying 'You had a brilliant game, son', which meant a lot to me. He's been fantastic to me all through my recent troubles and I've come to like him greatly. I hated him for a few months when he sold me but, to be honest, it was the right decision to make."

At Villa, McGrath became an even greater cult hero, Player of the Year for four successive seasons even while making four suicide attempts, one of which involved a Stanley knife following which he turned out a few days later wearing sweatbands to cover the scars. "I hated that side of Paul McGrath, of being frightened of living yet frightened of dying. Are there four suicide attempts in the book? I wonder if I left any untold? I didn't do it for attention but looking back, some of the things I've done in my life have been horrendous. I was obviously drinking wildly at the time and I was all mixed up — the mayhem, the adulation, the craziness of it all. I had wonderful children, a wonderful career, the supporters seemed to genuinely love me, I got on well with my team-mates and opponents, I couldn't have asked for more in life. And yet...and yet... there was still something in there telling me I was a piece of ****, basically. I can't explain it."

There is more, much more, of drinking Domestos and bleach because there was nothing closer to hand...drink driving charges...his arrest outside the home of his first ex-wife's house...but nowhere in his book does McGrath resort to self-pity. "There are regrets, countless of them because I've let so many people down over the years. I don't regret that I became an alcoholic because I hope to be leading my life differently from here on in. At the moment I'm well, I haven't had a drink for a couple of weeks now. I can't promise that I'll never have a drink again but I don't want to go down the same dark road again." Another famous Irishman, comic Dave Allen, used to sign off with the benediction: "May your God go with you."

May Paul McGrath's God go with him henceforth.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?xml=/sport/2006/10/20/sfnphi20.xml

NeilMcD
20/10/2006, 8:58 AM
Legend.

Donal81
20/10/2006, 9:16 AM
Jesus. I hope it works out.

wws
20/10/2006, 9:26 AM
U Can Podcast His Recent Interview With On Newstalk106

Dr. Ogba
20/10/2006, 9:33 AM
Cheers for posting Owlsfan - he was an absolute legend on the pitch. Must get my hands on his autobiography, I'd say it would be a compelling read...

Noelys Guitar
20/10/2006, 12:07 PM
The greatest. No ego. Just a great, great player.

Stuttgart88
20/10/2006, 12:22 PM
Very moving story. Legend indeed.

EalingGreen
20/10/2006, 1:29 PM
With all his problems, as good a player a player as has ever turned out for the ROI, inc Roy Keane. And in many ways a nicer person than Keane, too, since he doesn't seem to blame those problems on anyone else.
Truly deserves to conquer his demons.

Collyontour
20/10/2006, 1:34 PM
What a man. Absolutely brilliant.

geysir
20/10/2006, 1:50 PM
Might have been an interesting experiment to have 20 cameras solely focussed on Paul during that Italy game.

wws
20/10/2006, 1:51 PM
best Irish player Ive ever seen

NeilMcD
20/10/2006, 2:40 PM
It sickens me that you call him a traitor but each to their own. Mc Grath is a legend no doubt. Greates player I have ever seen play for Ireland and a gentleman too.

NY Hoop
20/10/2006, 2:52 PM
Get used to it. Its true.

Paul is one of the soundest chaps I've ever met and seemed bemused about his popularity.

Never forget Giants Stadium. His greatest hour after being on the losing side to the Italians twice before.

Legend.


KOH

Stuttgart88
20/10/2006, 2:55 PM
I'll never ever forget the sight of him throwing himself in front of the ball late on in the game against Italy.

I also recall an ageing McGrath in Mick's first match in charge, at home to Russia. I went with a rugby playing mate who knew little about football. He kept telling me that McGrath wasn't up to much as the ball just kept hitting him on the knee etc. I explained that that was his genius. He was always so well placed the ball just kept hitting him.

I also vividly remember a 2 on 1 breakaway attack , Aston Villa against Spurs. The Spurs right winger had Lineker unmarked inside him and only McGrath between him and Lineker. Every time both Lineker & the winger moved position McGrath simply moved into such a position between them that a successful pass was impossible. A certain goal opportunity just fizzled out and I'm not sure McGrath even touched the ball.

OwlsFan
20/10/2006, 3:05 PM
Not really directly to do with the man himself but a friend of mine told me that when the crowd were waiting for the team to return in Dublin Airport after Italia 90, Nelson Mandela happens to pass through before the team, so the fans all start singing "Ooh aah; Paul McGrath's Da; I said ooh aah Paul McGrath's Da ... etc". :D

The best players I have seen play for Ireland were Ray Houghton, John Giles,
Liam Brady, Paul McGrath and Roy Keane. As to who was the best, each was immense in his own right when playing but for sheer strength, determination and ability to read a game without ever having to resort to the nastier side of the game, none would surpass Paul.

Schumi
20/10/2006, 3:19 PM
Ireland's greatest ever player (North or South) and comes across as a really nice, down to earth guy as well. The man the word legend was invented for.

Stuttgart88
20/10/2006, 3:21 PM
His son, Chris, was highly rated at Liverpool a few years ago. Anyone know where he is now?

Poor Student
20/10/2006, 3:26 PM
Met him in Belfield last season where he was watching Waterford. Signed away at autographs and was polite and seemed thankful that people sought it out. A real gentleman.

Calcio Jack
20/10/2006, 3:46 PM
It sickens me that people over look this legend in favour of the traitor. The greatest ever Irish footballer bar none.

Both were genius...and both were of their time... just like Brady, Giles and others before them. If I had to vote as to who was the best Irish player I'd put Keane and McGrath as joint first.... and if my life really depended on it I'd plump for McGrath

paul_oshea
20/10/2006, 3:54 PM
Legend.

wws
20/10/2006, 3:59 PM
A saint PATS LEGEND

EalingGreen
20/10/2006, 4:38 PM
Ireland's greatest ever player (North or South) and comes across as a really nice, down to earth guy as well. The man the word legend was invented for.

I've seen McGrath, Keane and Brady all play live for ROI, plus their various clubs, and I remember Giles from TV. I'd have to say that McGrath was the pick of the bunch, which (imo) makes him a strong contender for greatest-ever ROI player.

But "Ireland's greatest ever player (North or South)"?
Sorry guys. If you look at the record of Pat Jennings, Danny Blanchflower or "Peter The Great" (Doherty), there's a strong case to be made that each of these was his equal, even superior.
And, of course, he doesn't come close to you-know-who as a player (not to mention the drinking, womanising or general hell-raising).

Remember:
Maradona = Good
Pele = Better
George = Best ;)

Schumi
20/10/2006, 4:55 PM
Remember:
Maradona = Good
Pele = Better
George = Best ;)Paul=God

tetsujin1979
20/10/2006, 5:40 PM
Met him once, when the Ireland team were training in Limerick before the home game against Austria in 95, I was doing my Junior Cert at the time and the hotel where the team were staying was about 20 minutes from my house. So a bunch of us went out one morning to try and get some autographs, and just after we arrived the team came out to get on the bus, I ran up and asked him to sign a notepad for me, and all I could think was "chr!st, I'm taller than Paul McGrath!". Still have the notepad at home with all the signatures too.

joe_barry80
21/10/2006, 6:31 PM
Not really directly to do with the man himself but a friend of mine told me that when the crowd were waiting for the team to return in Dublin Airport after Italia 90, Nelson Mandela happens to pass through before the team, so the fans all start singing "Ooh aah; Paul McGrath's Da; I said ooh aah Paul McGrath's Da ... etc". :D

The best players I have seen play for Ireland were Ray Houghton, John Giles,
Liam Brady, Paul McGrath and Roy Keane. As to who was the best, each was immense in his own right when playing but for sheer strength, determination and ability to read a game without ever having to resort to the nastier side of the game, none would surpass Paul. Mandella was still in jail till 92 or 93

$Leon$
21/10/2006, 6:41 PM
Mandella was released from prison on 11th Feb 1990

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_Mandella

Fergie's Son
21/10/2006, 8:52 PM
What a player. Really gave his all for Ireland. Do remember, he played a number of games in the middle of the pitch for us!

Easily one of the greatest Irish players of all time. Was he the greatest? I think you have to consider his position. He wasn't a gamebreaker the way Keane was. That is, McGrath's role was to destroy rather than create. He was a Bobby Moore or a Claude Makalele rather than an attacking midfielder. Keane had more opportunity to positivel affect the game (from an Irish point of view).

McGrath, however, is up there with the best though. That said, the greatest Irish player of all time (based purely ok skill) is George Best by a country mile. Arguably the greatest who ever played the game much less the greatest Irish player. Just my $.02

dr_peepee
22/10/2006, 6:53 AM
Legend and a realy nice man.

I was lucky enough to get invited to the Function in the mansion house when Jack Charlton got the key to the city just before USA '94. Got to meet Jack and all the Squad (Bar Babb, McAteer and Gary Kelly). The two most friendly and approachable from all the players were, ironically, Paul McGrath and Roy Keane.

I chatted with McGrath for a bit and I got a secuirity guard to take a photo of us. During which he raised his pint of Club lemon to the Secuirity guad and said "Make sure you get this in the photo". They both laughed. I didn't get the joke at the time.

The Swordsman
22/10/2006, 7:51 AM
What a player. Really gave his all for Ireland. Do remember, he played a number of games in the middle of the pitch for us!

Easily one of the greatest Irish players of all time. Was he the greatest? I think you have to consider his position. He wasn't a gamebreaker the way Keane was. That is, McGrath's role was to destroy rather than create. He was a Bobby Moore or a Claude Makalele rather than an attacking midfielder. Keane had more opportunity to positivel affect the game (from an Irish point of view).



RTE showed Eng V Irl from Wembley 1991 yesterday evening. McGrath played midfield and was immense.

If you watched that game, you'd see Paul could create too.

When you talk about the great Irish midfielders, there is not much to choose between Keane, Brady, Giles and McGrath. But Paul was a centre half who played only played midfield for Ireland (please correct me if I'm wrong here) and there has been no other Irish CH, IMHO, who could lace his boots. Thats why I believe Paul is the greatest ever.

I met him once. He seemed to me to be a really sound down to earth guy. I hope he can battle through his alcoholism.

OwlsFan
22/10/2006, 9:58 AM
Saw that game last night as well. An immense performance but I awaited with dread the Houghton 1 on 1 with the keeper late on when he shot wide. That miss still hurts but it was the 2 draws against Poland that really screwed us.

The team was at its peak then with McGrath protecting the back four. Different era then. Moran gives Robson a forearm smash in the face and doesn't get booked (straight red these days). McGrath takes a shot full in the face - shakes his head and moves on to the next tackle. Imagine Drogba in similar circumstances - would be rolling round in agony for ages.

Irish team that day: Bonner, Stan, O'Leary, Moran, Irwin, Sheedy, Townsend, McGrath, Houghton, Aldo and Quinn.

beautifulrock
22/10/2006, 11:15 AM
A fantastic team, strength and skill throughout team. If only we had to qualify....

Closed Account 2
22/10/2006, 11:04 PM
Does anyone have that game on DVD / video ?

cheifo
23/10/2006, 12:47 AM
I was at that game and the atmosphere was fantastic..always remember how it built up and up during that period of sustained pressure when they could not get out of their half.

bennocelt
23/10/2006, 7:31 AM
Mandella was still in jail till 92 or 93

its a true story, it was the 1994 return

Stuttgart88
23/10/2006, 8:25 AM
Similar article in today's The Times:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,27-2417093,00.html

McGrath is tackling his demons
By Rick Broadbent

The dark days are now fewer for troubled former international


THE HOUSE WAS EMPTY AND Graham Taylor had just rung to deliver the latest edition of the Riot Act. Feelings of shame and self-loathing merged. The inner voice told him he was a worthless bum. “I vividly remember the Stanley knife and the blood pouring on to the floor,” Paul McGrath recalled. “Come to think of it, I remember the au pair’s scream, too.”
Re-reading his biography left McGrath shaking his head. “I thought, ‘What sort of human being are you?’ ” It was the best of tomes, it was the worst of tomes, a tale of two players — the sober star playing in midfield and defence, and the suicidal drunk on the brink.



On Saturday, McGrath went back to Aston Villa and was fêted as a much-loved son. Everyone knew of his problems, but few outside of an inner circle have appreciated the depth of the depressions or the trauma of the mental breakdown that left him grinding bacon and egg into his hair and with his knees stuck together from months lying in a zombified state.

The nadir was slashing his wrists while his baby son, Christopher, lay in the same room. There were other suicide attempts, too, some more determined than others. He drank a bottle of Domestos and thought, ‘This one’s going to do it’, and he drove his car into a church wall after downing a bottle of brandy. The latter coincided with what he says was the best period of his career at Villa, but he does not remember the hospital or ambulance, just the policemen turning up at his home and asking for a breath test.

McGrath is too honest to suggest he wants others to be inspired by his resilience, but he does believe his history may provide some empathy for co-sufferers. It is voyeuristic and gruesome, but sheds some light on one of sport’s last great taboos: mental illness.

“The most selfish thing I did was cutting my wrists,” he said. “I just didn’t want to be involved any more. A lot of it was drink. If I’d been sober I wouldn’t have had the nerve, the wherewithal or the stupidity, but I started off using drink and then drink started using me. And I don’t know where the line got crossed.”

It is interesting that McGrath says he drank initially because of chronic shyness. That, in itself, was rooted somewhere in a past that involved being given away by his mother, abandoned by his father and beaten in an orphanage, but he believes shyness was a flaw bonding him to another Irish icon and alcoholic, George Best. “Because of the transplant people say George should have behaved, but I’m sure he didn’t want to curl up and die ,” McGrath said.

“You don’t do it because you want to destroy yourself, you do it because you’re in the grip of something else. Drinking’s like a parallel world. George was shy and lovely but he just could not get to grips with his demons.”

The miracle is that Best and McGrath could play to such a high standard. Best will always be a bittersweet legend, while McGrath was a force of unnatural will. He accepts that Sir Alex Ferguson should have got rid of him earlier, but his renaissance at Villa defied medical science. Occasionally he would play while drunk, like the time he got the man-of-the-match award against Everton. “I went for balls I wouldn’t normally dream of going for,” he said. “I felt impregnable and that was dangerous.”

The survivor mentality was to the fore in the 3-1 victory against Manchester United in the 1994 League Cup final. McGrath had woke the night before with a searing pain in his shoulder. “I could not lie down because of the agony,” he said. “It was the scariest thing that has ever happened to my body, like someone had stuck a red-hot poker in me. I was in bits and should never have played, but I was pumped full of injections.”

A League Cup, an FA Cup and 83 Ireland caps are career statistics that paper over the binges and the bleakness. Little was bleaker than the breakdown he suffered as a teenager. He is not sure whether it was brought on by his childhood, a kick in the head or having a drink spiked with LSD, but in Back From The Brink (Century, £18.99), he wrote of his time in a psychiatric unit: “My voice had left me. I was lying in one position for so long my knees actually stuck together. They had to be prised apart. My legs are still scarred to this day.”

Friends recalled that his glazed eyes and sore-marked face rendered him a character from One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest. Yet McGrath came through it to move to United, where Ron Atkinson’s “flexible” methods suited him. “He was a comedian,” McGrath said. “He’d want to play in the five-a-sides and looked like Brian Glover in Kes. Then Fergie came in and he had a different set of rules.”


It was, perhaps, the onset of a stricter, more scientific era that was defined by the likes of Arsène Wenger. “I couldn’t have got away with it now,” McGrath said. “It was a lovely era because of the bonds, but we overdid it and paid the price. I was blessed that I had people who cared enough about me to not want me to be falling down and making an a*** of myself. But the things you do in the middle of a binge are beyond belief.”

Things like drinking amid the winos and syringes in a Dublin alley and waking in a caravan on a beach with no recollection of how he got there. McGrath has tried to get help before, including via Tony Adams’s Sporting Chance charity, but now he thinks that he is on the right road. “You have to ask for help,” he said. “You have to do it for yourself, not your kids, your wife or your mother. I think it’s my turn to be well because I’ve been through the wringer a few times.”

He hopes football fans remember him “as a half-decent player who had a bit of a problem”. He worries about the things his children have seen and knows this is a long haul. “There’s a half-decent person in there somewhere,” he said. “It’s just a matter of getting him out.”

OwlsFan
23/10/2006, 8:29 AM
its a true story, it was the 1994 return


I don't think it was 1994. Mandela's first visit to Ireland was July 1990 which would co-incide with the team coming home from Italia 90.

The Swordsman
23/10/2006, 9:12 AM
Does anyone have that game on DVD / video ?

I recorded it on Saturday on my new DVD recorder, which I don't really know how to fully use yet.

If I can figure out how to get it from there to the web, I will do that providing it won't mean an appearance before the local wig.

Alternatively, I could copy it to DVD and send it on to you.

Tenderloins
23/10/2006, 11:04 AM
Finished the book last week. Harrowing stuff some of it, yet a very hard book to put down.
Whats incredible is that even through his alcoholism, suicide attempts , addiction to pain killers and other pills etc he was so fantastic on the field. The fact he didn't rate himself highly which was always put down to modesty when it was self confidence.

The son Chris was playing for Chorley and working in Security according to the book.

wws
23/10/2006, 11:12 AM
just reading some posts above saying mcgrath didnt have opportuniteies to change games like keane etc - it should be noted that mcgrath literally pulled the team through a rake of qualifiers when we had a strike force that couldnt score for love nor money

scored some classic headed goals and volleys from distance in a green shirt

as_i_say
23/10/2006, 3:27 PM
Saw that game last night as well. An immense performance but I awaited with dread the Houghton 1 on 1 with the keeper late on when he shot wide. That miss still hurts but it was the 2 draws against Poland that really screwed us.

Irish team that day: Bonner, Stan, O'Leary, Moran, Irwin, Sheedy, Townsend, McGrath, Houghton, Aldo and Quinn.

watched that the other night as well-hurts like hell. its a shame we were still the country of wee little poor little ireland at the time cos charlton should have been sacked after that campaign. we were one of THE best teams in europe in 1991 without a doubt. Player for player we were so much better than england yet were forced to play that disgusting style of football against them in wembley with a team like that on the pitch.

whatever you say about dunphy-he had it right about that!!

Calcio Jack
23/10/2006, 3:39 PM
watched that the other night as well-hurts like hell. its a shame we were still the country of wee little poor little ireland at the time cos charlton should have been sacked after that campaign. we were one of THE best teams in europe in 1991 without a doubt. Player for player we were so much better than england yet were forced to play that disgusting style of football against them in wembley with a team like that on the pitch.

whatever you say about dunphy-he had it right about that!!

Couldn't agree more... anyone remember Charlton's stupid comments after we drew 3-3 away to Poland having lead 3-1. He said it was better that we drew rather than win as it meant the Poles would then try and beat England in their last game... the man was an idiot, on an ego trip fuelled by the Ole Ole brigade.. we could've taken Italy in the '90 W/cup and should of gone on to be at least a semi-finalist in the '92 Euro finals... moral victories my ar$e

OwlsFan
23/10/2006, 4:42 PM
watched that the other night as well-hurts like hell. its a shame we were still the country of wee little poor little ireland at the time cos charlton should have been sacked after that campaign. we were one of THE best teams in europe in 1991 without a doubt. Player for player we were so much better than england yet were forced to play that disgusting style of football against them in wembley with a team like that on the pitch.

whatever you say about dunphy-he had it right about that!!

I don't propose to get in to the Charlton style of play debate except it is idiotic to say that not only do you have to win, but you have to win with style as well. We were not better man for man as England had players like Lineker, Brian Robson, Seaman, Dixon etc etc some of whom would have been better than what we had, others wouldn't. Remember many of the Charlton team only became household names because of what they did for us (Alridge and Houghton were playing for Oxford). Some of the football we played that night was excellent and we were a big physical side so we also played to that strength.

The comment after the Poland game was only an attempt to put a gloss on what had been a disasterous draw.

The Final table read:

Country....Pl W D L F A Pts
England....6 3 3 0 7 3 9
Rep Ireland 6 2 4 0 13 6 8
Poland..... 6 2 3 1 8 6 7
Turkey.... 6 0 0 6 1 14 0

The Swordsman
23/10/2006, 9:24 PM
I don't propose to get in to the Charlton style of play debate except it is idiotic to say that not only do you have to win, but you have to win with style as well. We were not better man for man as England had players like Lineker, Brian Robson, Seaman, Dixon etc etc some of whom would have been better than what we had, others wouldn't. Remember many of the Charlton team only became household names because of what they did for us (Alridge and Houghton were playing for Oxford). Some of the football we played that night was excellent and we were a big physical side so we also played to that strength.

The comment after the Poland game was only an attempt to put a gloss on what had been a disasterous draw.

The Final table read:

Country....Pl W D L F A Pts
England....6 3 3 0 7 3 9
Rep Ireland 6 2 4 0 13 6 8
Poland..... 6 2 3 1 8 6 7
Turkey.... 6 0 0 6 1 14 0

I think that too much has been made about the long ball game. No doubt it was employed , but not exclusively and it was not used much in the game against England (possibly because we were in their half for most of the game).

We should have beaten England that night but we didn't take our chances (Can't see how you could blame Charlton for that). We should have beaten Poland away but fell asleep in the last 10 minutes . Didn't Kevin Moran make a howler for their last goal.

England on the other hand struggled against us in Wembley, scraped a one nil in Turkey (Wise with a jammy goal) and Lineker pulled it out of the fire for them in the last ten minutes against Poland in their last match.

Charlton brought us to Euro 88, Italia 90 and USA 94. With a little more luck, we have qualified for Sweden too. He has been the most successful manager we've had.

And people say he should have been sacked:mad:

Stuttgart88
24/10/2006, 7:01 AM
and Lineker pulled it out of the fire for them in the last ten minutes against Poland in their last match. Not to mention the stonewall penalty that wasn't given when, with Poland already 1-0 up, Chris Woods pulled down a Polish striker when he rounded him and was set to score :(

I think Bonner was at fault for at least one of the Polish goals.

I also recall a really frustrating 0-0 at home to Poland when their keeper's playacting made Dudu Awat look like a saint.

Even Dunphy admitted that there was a lot more to our play than just long balls.

Anyone who saw the game against Russia in '88 would never point to us as a long ball team.

tetsujin1979
24/10/2006, 9:07 AM
Or even the stonewall penalty that was denied to us at home against Poland, Niall Quinn being held back and eventually tripped in the Polish area late on.

eirebhoy
24/10/2006, 10:05 AM
Another article:
http://football.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1929825,00.html

smellyfeet
24/10/2006, 3:40 PM
Paul McGrath came to Shannon about 20 years ago and trained our team Newtown F.C. It was great, he was playing with Manchester UTD at the time.
The whole town came to see him. I'll never forget it. LEGEND

TheOwl
25/10/2006, 7:47 AM
McGrath backs Staunton - mates will be mates I suppose!!!!

http://www.eurosport.com/football/euro-2008-qualifying/2006-2007/sport_sto993016.shtml

OwlsFan
25/10/2006, 12:24 PM
Yep, slight contradiction there. He says Stan should turn it around even though he has little or no managerial experience and yet on McLaren :confused: :

McGrath stands by his opinion that McClaren has been thrust into the limelight too quickly after working under him during his coaching stint at Derby County.

"I did say that," he stated. "Not that he's thrown in at the deep end but the rise is so steep.

geysir
25/10/2006, 1:12 PM
I don't see so much of a contradiction.
The headline states McGrath backs Staunton but the endorsement quote from Paul is just a hope.
"I hope he turns it round. It was much better in the Czech game. The Cypriot game was a joke basically, it really was".