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David
12/10/2006, 10:48 PM
If a mod insists on closing a thread as has been done on the Cliftonville/Donegal Celtic thread can the thread at least be deleted. When there are slurs on my club surely I have the right to answer those slurs. If not then the slurs should be removed.
Poor Student
12/10/2006, 10:52 PM
It's been nipped in the bud at that point. It could have been your reply last or it could have been dcfcsteve. I've been appointed mod of this forum and hopefully things won't be left go on so long anymore. You'll have to just accept it the way it is.
To be honest I fail to see the need to close it and the attitude of "have to accept the way it is" does not bode well for a mod of a forum in my opinion. There was nothing sectarian or personally offensive to anyone, there was a rational debate on football matters so I seen no problem with the thread. Why was it locked in the first place?
Poor Student
13/10/2006, 6:35 AM
Read the rules of the forum by Éanna. The forum was meant to be about matters of football. Since Éanna left the forum went largely unmoderated. The forum is not meant for revisiting Derry's expulsion, the DC cup game and Cliftonville not being able to play Linfield at Solitude all the time. Every decision won't bode well with you I'm afraid. As I said, it had to be stopped somewhere. It's no personal slight on yourself.
Read the rules of the forum by Éanna. The forum was meant to be about matters of football. Since Éanna left the forum went largely unmoderated. The forum is not meant for revisiting Derry's expulsion, the DC cup game and Cliftonville not being able to play Linfield at Solitude all the time. Every decision won't bode well with you I'm afraid. As I said, it had to be stopped somewhere. It's no personal slight on yourself.
Have to agree to disagree, particularly as the attitude seems to be like it or lump it. To me it was discussing matters of football ie trouble at football games. Oh and one last thing, Derry were not expelled.
Poor Student
13/10/2006, 7:16 AM
Oh and one last thing, Derry were not expelled.
You're at it again! Whatever. It's not up for discussion anymore.
To me it was discussing matters of football ie trouble at football games.
When the forum rules explicitly stated to focus on the football it did not mean to constantly revisit the high politicised episodes of the Irish league over the last few decades.
Have to agree to disagree, particularly as the attitude seems to be like it or lump it.
That's how foot.ie works and always has done. Now, you have a propensity to debate things ad nauseum. I won't debate this any further. They're the rules.
That attitude to be honest stinks and is certainly not ideal for a forum in my opinion. I have moderated forums in the past and as long as there is nothing personally offensive then I would usually let it go unless it was nothing whatsoever to do with football. Maybe it is attitude like this that has seen decent posters leave this forum in the past.
I've been watching that thread (and once warned dcfcsteve for calling David an idiot or something llike that) but in genereal it was the two of them going at each other I thought it best to leave them alone as both definitely knew what they were talking about, and in the main were civil towards each other
BohsPartisan
13/10/2006, 8:59 AM
Its an Irish League forum. Why is it being moderated by a UCD fan?
I've been watching that thread (and once warned dcfcsteve for calling David an idiot or something llike that) but in genereal it was the two of them going at each other I thought it best to leave them alone as both definitely knew what they were talking about, and in the main were civil towards each other
I would agree with that. I have no problem with people strongly disagreeing with me, that is what a forum is all about, expressing opinions. It must stay civil though and not resort to petty name calling and there was none of that on the thread that was locked.
dahamsta
13/10/2006, 9:57 AM
David,
The IL forum is a problem for us, which is why we appointed a mod. It's a problem because, in the main, the same old discussions are coming up again and again and again. You're partly responsible for this - although you're not the only one - so you might not be able to see it, but that's how it is. Having the same old dicussion over and over again does not a good forum make, so now we're trying to improve it.
As PS said, that's the way it is, and that's the way it's going to be, and I'm afraid if you don't like it, reiterating your complaints here again and again - rather ironically - isn't going to help. We understand your point, however the decision has been made to knock it on the head. If you'd still like to continue discussing the IL without all of the repitition, you're welcome; if it's going to continue, I'd suggest you give one of the forums you mentioned earlier a try.
We do things differently here on Foot.ie, that's the entire point of the site. Some people don't like it, which is a pity, but I'm afraid I'm not going to change my whole philosophy of online discussion to suit just a few people.
Thanks,
adam
David
13/10/2006, 10:11 AM
As I said, simply have to agree to disagree. Personally I do not think that the dictatorial attitude makes for a good forum but at the end of the day that is up to the powers that be on this forum.
BohsPartisan
13/10/2006, 10:30 AM
No one answered my question. Why can't one of the IL people moderate the forum?
pineapple stu
13/10/2006, 12:57 PM
Because there aren't that many, I suppose.
What's the harm in a UCD fan modding the forum anyway?
BohsPartisan
13/10/2006, 1:59 PM
No offense to UCD fans but I just think an IL forum should be moderated by an IL fan. The thread that was closed should never have been closed. If he wanted to split the thread and move the non football part to Current Affairs, he should have done that.
dahamsta
13/10/2006, 2:54 PM
Only two IL fans have been put forward as moderators, and both are unable to resist the temptation of getting into the arguments we're specifically trying to stop.
David, Foot.ie has been run the way it is today since it began more than five years ago. We're doing pretty well with it I reckon.
adam
BohsPartisan
13/10/2006, 3:40 PM
Its not that I don't like the forum or you. I'm fine with the moderation 90% of the time. Its just that occassionaly I find the moderation goes over the top and there were two incidents today that really took the biscuit.
dahamsta
13/10/2006, 3:44 PM
You've made your point.
The thing is that there are loads of moderators and we all have different ways of doings things. Mods also make mistakes.
Only two IL fans have been put forward as moderators, and both are unable to resist the temptation of getting into the arguments we're specifically trying to stop.
David, Foot.ie has been run the way it is today since it began more than five years ago. We're doing pretty well with it I reckon.
adam
Don't get me wrong, I really enjoy this forum. It's just at times it seems to go over the top which has led to people leaving the forum who were decent posters. I agree totally with Bohs Partisan on this one. We are never all going to agree on everything but surely that is what a forum is for. I really dislike the dictatorial attitude being adopted here. I would like to think that I have never been personally offensive to anyone. I will debate my point with the best of them and I will argue until I am blue in the face if I feel I am right. I know I can be stubborn but I will not let slurs against my club go and continually some Derry City supporters simply cannot resist having a dig at Linfield. At the end of the day though that is up to them and fair play to them for it, equally I will come in and defend us. As I said, all part and parcel of being on a forum.
As for being a mod, under these circumstances I would not touch it was a barge pole as I could not close threads or deal with people in the manner that it is occasionally done on this forum. At the end of the day you run the forum so it is your decision and fair play to you but I think the "I am right and I don't care what you think anyway" attitude is a poor one and certainly not ideal for someone in your positionj on a forum. It smacks of a bit of the kid that owns the ball who insists things are done exactly how he wants or he will go home with the ball. If this gets me banned then so be it but I will continue to speak my mind (if I am not banned of course) and I will continue to defend my club when they are criticised and I will continue to put my point across. It is called debate.
dahamsta
13/10/2006, 6:11 PM
You've put your point across now several times, which let's be honest is part of the problem in the IL forum: you have a distinct inability to state your case and leave it at that. There's debate and there's he-said-she-said, and it's the latter you lean towards. You're not the only one doing it, but that doesn't make it right, and in all honesty I don't think it's any more mature than the offenses you accuse me of.
I've said my piece, I'm not saying more unless you come up with something new.
adam
sonofstan
14/10/2006, 1:41 PM
The barney between David and Steve was reminding me of the Churchill quote about the 'dreary steeple of Tyrone and Fermanagh, and the integrity of their quarrel' and all that, but it hadn't descended into personal abuse or even political name calling, and to my mind, even if it was boring for the rest of us, I don't see why it needs to be stopped. As for banning Philo for correcting your spelling......
dahamsta
14/10/2006, 6:22 PM
David and Steve's constant reiteration of the same old arguments no longer contributes to the forum. There's nothing stopping them continuing their discussion via PM or email.
I've already explained why I banned Philo for three days, but since some of you have difficulty understanding what's really a very simple concept, I'll give you a Star-style simplification:
Philo walked into a bar, walked up to someone, and made a smart comment to them. That's just plain rude, and the manager went up to him and asked him to behave in a more adult manner. In response, Philo thought it would be funny to make another smart comment, to the manager. The manager decided that Philo wasn't going to improve his manners, so he barred him for three days.
The manager has been running his bar for quite some time and has strong feelings about how it should be run. You have the right to complain to the manager about the way he handled it. The manager has a right to discard your feedback, because his experience knows better. You have a right to drink in another bar. This is how it is.
adam
David and Steve's constant reiteration of the same old arguments no longer contributes to the forum. There's nothing stopping them continuing their discussion via PM or email.
I've already explained why I banned Philo for three days, but since some of you have difficulty understanding what's really a very simple concept, I'll give you a Star-style simplification:
Philo walked into a bar, walked up to someone, and made a smart comment to them. That's just plain rude, and the manager went up to him and asked him to behave in a more adult manner. In response, Philo thought it would be funny to make another smart comment, to the manager. The manager decided that Philo wasn't going to improve his manners, so he barred him for three days.
The manager has been running his bar for quite some time and has strong feelings about how it should be run. You have the right to complain to the manager about the way he handled it. The manager has a right to discard your feedback, because his experience knows better. You have a right to drink in another bar. This is how it is.
adam
Watch that bar go under if they ban people for making smart remarks. :rolleyes:
Aberdonian Stu
14/10/2006, 6:47 PM
Seriously if a bar manager did that it would be excessive and that isn't an attempt to be smart.
sonofstan
14/10/2006, 6:48 PM
more on this issue here (http://thebohs.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=464)
That last one needs registration and is just Bohs fans backing up Philo and calling dahamsta all sorts.
BTW adam should I compare you to a bouncer again? :D
dahamsta
14/10/2006, 9:16 PM
I love it when a three day ban is an "issue". ;)
dahamsta
14/10/2006, 9:27 PM
Great thread. The idea that I'll be ticked off by Philo's post winning POTM is just plain bizarre. Thanks for backing me Ultan, though I'd advise not doing it again. Not PC to support the fascist dictator, dontchewknow. Oh, and for the record, we have a mod forum and mods ask for people to be banned quite regularly. I'm the only person with permissions to do it.
So, to review, Philo was banned while trying to get banned, presumably to popularise himself on his own forum. Sounds like my radar's in tip-top condition then.
Game over, end of story.
The Management
strangeirish
16/10/2006, 12:38 AM
As a former hairdresser, I take offense to the above post.
*Sobs uncontrollably in corner*
:D
dahamsta
16/10/2006, 1:44 AM
And yet you're still here Philo.
BohsPartisan
16/10/2006, 7:53 AM
Obviously you don't want to prove him right a second time.
dahamsta
16/10/2006, 10:14 AM
One of these days the hardmen rebels will realise that this exact scenario plays itself out like clockwork 2-3 times a year, and always ends in exactly the same way. Users get banned, the hecklers go back to reading and posting, Foot.ie goes back to normal and keeps growing and growing. No alternatives exist because the model the thicks want, with no censorship and arguments galore, always and inevitably crawls up it's own ass and fails.
And still people fail to understand the simplest concept, repeated over and over again ad nauseum and infinitum: If you don't like Foot.ie, don't come here. Is that really such a hard concept to understand?
Bohs Partisan, Philo is only right in cloud cuckoo land, in looney land. He wanted to get banned and he got banned. Boo hoo.
I'm done with this idiocy now. Any more attempts to drag it up wil result in a raft of bannings.
adam
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