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brine3
10/10/2006, 12:46 PM
Latest news is that Kenny is injured, so Henderson will be goalkeeper against the Czech republic.

I was thinking, seeing as Henderson plays in League 1, surely the older, more experienced Mick Devine, with European experience is a better choice? And the Eircom League is surely a higher level competition than League 1?
drinkfeckarse
10/10/2006, 12:48 PM
Having played with him and seen him in action in recent years, I'd have no problems at all with Devine being called up. I'd 100% have him before Colgan anyway.
Peadar
10/10/2006, 1:26 PM
Maybe we could get Delaney to tell Staunton to call him up. :rolleyes:
shakermaker1982
10/10/2006, 1:29 PM
How Kenny has a strained hamstring is beyond me. A back strain I can get i.e. picking the ball out of the net but anything else is taking the biscuit!!!
Pablo
10/10/2006, 2:14 PM
Mick Devine is the second Best Keeper Ireland has. Fact.
pete
10/10/2006, 2:20 PM
Its a disgrace Devine has been overlooked in favour of Brighton keeper at lower end of League One.

I wouldn't blame Staunton for Kenny as who would have thought a Premiership would concede 9 goals in 2 games.
cheifo
10/10/2006, 2:27 PM
Have to say, Devine always looks quality.
eirebhoy
10/10/2006, 2:51 PM
Mick Devine is the second Best Keeper Ireland has. Fact.
You're judging Devine's games for Cork, fair enough. Paddy Kenny should also be judged on games at club level too in which he has been excellent. I think writing him off after the Cyprus match is silly. Devine could easily come in and make a mistake.
Dawn_Run
10/10/2006, 2:55 PM
Devine could easily come in and make a mistake.

Spot on, he has made some awful blunders in his time. Good keeper when he settles though.
cavan_fan
10/10/2006, 3:02 PM
More to the point Devine is 33. It's not unreasonable for Stan to pick Henderson who has been solid for our under age teams if he felt ihe was likely to be on the bench. Would you call up Devine now for tomorrow's match?
superfrank
10/10/2006, 3:33 PM
I've never seen Henderson play so I can't comment on him.

Just because someone plays in a bad team, doesn't make them bad. How many here critising Henderson simply cos he plays in League One have actually seen him play??

However, I think Mick Devine is the most consistent keeper in the eircom League and he certainly is very good. Yet, as mentioned he is prone to a few mistakes and I personally feel he is a bit slow off his line and occasionally his communication with defenders is poor.

I would rate Paddy Kenny more.
drinkfeckarse
10/10/2006, 3:51 PM
I'm not having a go at Henderson. My point is more that Devine should be ahead of Colgan who has proved himself to be a disaster therefore why continue with him?
pete
10/10/2006, 4:03 PM
However, I think Mick Devine is the most consistent keeper in the eircom League and he certainly is very good. Yet, as mentioned he is prone to a few mistakes and I personally feel he is a bit slow off his line and occasionally his communication with defenders is poor.

I would rate Paddy Kenny more.

Seems like a contradiction there as the faults you say Devine has are certainly true of Kenny is last 2 games.

Hopefully Kennys last 2 games were a blip & I am realistic enough to think no eL keeper will get in ahead of the Premiership. Henderson & Colgan are the debate though. League One is no better than the eL & no opportunity to play in high pressure european games & different style of opposition.
kingp35
10/10/2006, 4:06 PM
Personally I would have Devine on the bench for tomorrows game ahead of Colgan. Devine is a good keeper but not as good so he would certainly be fourth choice for me at least. He is not as good as Kenny though.
Dodge
10/10/2006, 4:07 PM
Kenny's a better keeper than Mick Devine.
AustinoAsprilla
10/10/2006, 4:07 PM
The problem with Devine is his age. Stan believes in this 'youth thingy' that I still dont understand and Joe Murphy would be next in line to get the call ahead of Devine... Henderson will learn a lot from this and be beneficial to Stan's 'WC 2010 plan thingy' which... I STILL DONT UNDERSTAND!!!
Jerry The Saint
10/10/2006, 4:13 PM
I'd rather have his brother Dave in nets. And I reckon Oso could still do a job for us in midfield!
pete
10/10/2006, 4:18 PM
Devine has 20 clean sheets out 30 league & Setanta Cup games this season. 19 from 33 league games last season.
Peadar
10/10/2006, 4:22 PM
Kenny's a better keeper than Mick Devine.

What's that got to do with this debate?
It's like saying "Given's a better keeper than Kenny."

Kenny is gone back to Sheffield. He's out of the game tomorrow!
The point being made is that Devine is better than what's left.
AustinoAsprilla
10/10/2006, 4:26 PM
Yeah, but Thierry Henry couldn't even score against Paddy this season yet Kevin Doherty scored against Devine. Conclusive proof that Paddy is better... Or am I starting to sound like Stan and his '2010 plan'?
osarusan
10/10/2006, 4:26 PM
Mick Devine is the second Best Keeper Ireland has. Fact.

To be fair, I think he was replying to this post.


What's that got to do with this debate?
It's like saying "Given's a better keeper than Kenny."
Dodge
10/10/2006, 5:32 PM
What's that got to do with this debate?
It's like saying "Given's a better keeper than Kenny."

Kenny is gone back to Sheffield. He's out of the game tomorrow!
The point being made is that Devine is better than what's left.
Kenny and Devine were being compared above...

And for the record, Devine isn't the best keeper in the league
joema
10/10/2006, 5:46 PM
Mick Devine is the second Best Keeper Ireland has. Fact.

Thats not fact, thats opinion


You're judging Devine's games for Cork, fair enough. Paddy Kenny should also be judged on games at club level too in which he has been excellent. I think writing him off after the Cyprus match is silly. Devine could easily come in and make a mistake.

Spot on


More to the point Devine is 33. It's not unreasonable for Stan to pick Henderson who has been solid for our under age teams if he felt ihe was likely to be on the bench. Would you call up Devine now for tomorrow's match?

If I was Stan Id definitly call him up, fair enough hes 33 but thats a grand age for a goalkeeper


Kenny's a better keeper than Mick Devine.

He is, in your opinion


The problem with Devine is his age. Stan believes in this 'youth thingy'

The whole 'youth thingy' is total bull, hes only using that as an excuse for being so crap
adamcarr
10/10/2006, 5:46 PM
Kenny and Devine were being compared above...

And for the record, Devine isn't the best keeper in the league


:p :p

What a joke, miles ahead of everyone else.
joema
10/10/2006, 5:48 PM
:p :p

What a joke, miles ahead of everyone else.

What a joke, you think Devine is "miles ahead" of Barry Murphy

:p
Poor Student
10/10/2006, 6:06 PM
Darren Quigley only has three clean sheets less than Devine with one game more played and seeing a lot more action towards his goal.
nismo
10/10/2006, 6:18 PM
Mick Devine...are you for real boy i put a few past him myself not a mind Koller!
pete
10/10/2006, 6:52 PM
Devine got best keeper award in the eL last year. :confused:

I don't understand how Quigley made the U21s but maybe he was in better form then.

Its hard enough to justify eL players as internationls without selecting someone without european experience - this is what sets the top eL sides apart from their lower english equivalent.
superfrank
10/10/2006, 7:02 PM
Surely Quigley would be somewhere in Stan's mind considering he has played for the u21s and having played well by all accounts.
Dodge
10/10/2006, 7:04 PM
Devine got best keeper award in the eL last year. :confused:

I don't understand how Quigley made the U21s but maybe he was in better form then.

Its hard enough to justify eL players as internationls without selecting someone without european experience - this is what sets the top eL sides apart from their lower english equivalent.

Ridiculous comment from the man claiming players were picked on who they played for rather than ability
Poor Student
11/10/2006, 6:55 AM
The eL keeper clean sheet table reads something like:

Mick Devine 16
Dan Connor 14
Darren Quigley 12
David Forde 10
John O'Hara 9

Take a guess which one of those keepers would be under the most pressure. The only other eL keeper eligible for the U-21s who catches the eye is Barry Murphy from Shamrock Rovers. Pete, you're one of the people who would give out about us playing English club reserve players. What other Irish U-21 keepers do you know apart from Doyle?
Peadar
11/10/2006, 9:19 AM
And for the record, Devine isn't the best keeper in the league

Devine quite clearly is!
Most clean sheets and only 11 goals against us in the league.
The facts speak for themselves.


What a joke, you think Devine is "miles ahead" of Barry Murphy

:p

What league does he play in? :rolleyes:
DonegalDub
11/10/2006, 9:30 AM
There's more to goalkeeping than "clean sheets". I'd hate to have any of you guys picking the keeper, based on the obs. I've read on this thread. Bottom line is we're at the bottom line regarding a keeper for tonight's game. Hurry up and get better, Shay! (Bet he really is sick to the stomach this week if he wasn't before!)
joema
11/10/2006, 9:30 AM
What league does he play in? :rolleyes:

Oh yeah that makes sense, just because he plays in the first div - through choice, not ability means Superman Devine is "miles" better than him

For someone with so many posts I am surprised by your childish attitude
pete
11/10/2006, 9:44 AM
Some keepers do well because the other 10 players parked in front of them making them loook better. - Connor & Quigley.
Peadar
11/10/2006, 9:56 AM
Oh yeah that makes sense, just because he plays in the first div - through choice, not ability means Superman Devine is "miles" better than him

For someone with so many posts I am surprised by your childish attitude

Why don't you just go and miss the point completely!

Murphy plays in an inferior league and isn't tested to any great level.
Wasn't he between the sticks on the relegation team last season?

Devine is regarded by most observers as the best keeper in the League because of his all round ability. He's played in Europe for more seasons than Murphy has been playing senior football.
Pablo
11/10/2006, 11:08 AM
Why don't you just go and miss the point completely!

Murphy plays in an inferior league and isn't tested to any great level.
Wasn't he between the sticks on the relegation team last season?

Devine is regarded by most observers as the best keeper in the League because of his all round ability. He's played in Europe for more seasons than Murphy has been playing senior football.

and he doesnt play for a team in 20th place in the English Third division like tonights keeper
livehead1
11/10/2006, 11:18 AM
i watched henderson against forest for brighton when brighton lost 2-1 and he looked ok, but not spectacular.
Hibs4Ever
11/10/2006, 11:20 AM
and he doesnt play for a team in 20th place in the English Third division like tonights keeper



Colgan plays for a mid table Championship club, has European experience, AND international experience. He is also a quality 'keeper
drinkfeckarse
11/10/2006, 11:21 AM
He's also been in and out of the team a couple of times this season. Still, I hope he has a stormer tonight.
drinkfeckarse
11/10/2006, 11:25 AM
Colgan plays for a mid table Championship club, has European experience, AND international experience. He is also a quality 'keeper

You can't be serious :D Just because he played for your beloved Hibs don't let that cloud your judgment. Granted that was his best spell but he would still be there if they had wanted him and he was average at best while there. I've seen him have regular howlers and he's twice been beaten by 7 goals in recent times if my memory serves me right.
Pablo
11/10/2006, 11:30 AM
Colgan plays for a mid table Championship club, has European experience, AND international experience. He is also a quality 'keeper

According to BBC Henderson is getting the nod??

Either way they are inferior keepers
eirebhoy
11/10/2006, 12:13 PM
I'd put Colgan on par with Leicester's Rab Douglas (ex Celtic) and I certainly wouldn't want Douglas in goal for us. :) I'd prefer Henderson for tonights game. He was attracting interest from a few Championship clubs in the summer.
Pablo
12/10/2006, 3:05 PM
Hendersons positioning was poor for the Czech goal imo.
superfrank
13/10/2006, 11:06 PM
After Devine's performance tonight, it was best he wasn't picked in the end. Made a complete ****-up for our second goal and was clearly uncomfortable anytime a high ball came into the box.
Soper
14/10/2006, 10:57 AM
Every keeper has a bad day though.
centre mid
14/10/2006, 12:40 PM
always though Stephen O Brien was the best shot stopper - probably a bit passed it now though ( not suggesting him for Ireland )
adamcarr
14/10/2006, 1:16 PM
After Devine's performance tonight, it was best he wasn't picked in the end. Made a complete ****-up for our second goal and was clearly uncomfortable anytime a high ball came into the box.



His first big mistake that I can remember over the last couple of seasons and look how distraught he was at the end. He is entitled to an off day like everyone else and is still certainly a better choice than Henderson and Colgan.
Dodge
14/10/2006, 1:27 PM
His first big mistake that I can remember over the last couple of seasons and look how distraught he was at the end. He is entitled to an off day like everyone else and is still certainly a better choice than Henderson and Colgan.

He was at fault in Belgrade and was poor for Pats winner last year. Better than Colgan certainly, wait and see with Henderson
eirebhoy
14/10/2006, 2:30 PM
Every keeper has a bad day though.
Well except for Shay Given. ;)

If adamcarr is right and it was his first big mistake in a year or 2 then he should be in the squad without a doubt. You don't need world class opposition to judge a keeper. I found that plenty of people rated Steve Williams though when I thought he was very ordinary.