Stadium Updates (All Clubs)

[Dalymountrower]

Don't dig him out of the hole, Joey ;)
You are really pulling along bow on this EMG! JLO has Derry connections , but somehow decided to wear a Bohs Jersey when Bohs played Derry in the cup final in the RDS.

I remember that he also mistakenly , and inaccurately, said something positive about Rovers at one of our gigs, cue good natured derision from the crowd.

Presumably, no sane rational person has a problem with" celebrities" name checking a League of Ireland club in a positive way.?

Anyway despite the lack of consanguinity, which Eat Your Greens apparently requires for his authentic supporter test, the practical link is there between Bohs and JLO for over ten years. As to before? We forgive him his past trespasses

[El-Pietro]

Sure You'll never Walk Alone was just sung because the charts was played before matches at Anfield, Gerry and the Pacemakers were #1 and from Liverpool and it stuck. There's no intrinsic link, it's a link of happenstance. This is also a link of happenstance.

Logan has done a lot of work for Bohs. An awful lot. He helped save the club from the brink.

Maybe if you had a fan that dedicated you wouldn't be on the umpteenth carnation of your club. Soon to be umpteenth +1 by all accounts.
Hey leave us out of this. We're not in the best financial shape but we won't be going bust anytime soon.

[EatYerGreens]

You are really pulling a long bow on this EMG!

Or pulling a long Boh ? :p

#FishInABarrel

[marinobohs]

Sure You'll never Walk Alone was just sung because the charts was played before matches at Anfield, Gerry and the Pacemakers were #1 and from Liverpool and it stuck. There's no intrinsic link, it's a link of happenstance. This is also a link of happenstance.

Logan has done a lot of work for Bohs. An awful lot. He helped save the club from the brink.

Maybe if you had a fan that dedicated you wouldn't be on the umpteenth carnation of your club. Soon to be umpteenth +1 by all accounts.

Accounts ? Now there is no need to bring all that up again 😁 one contract for you....

[oriel]

Its been suggested on here before, but with the current rise of support of Bohs, and the possible delay in ground redevelopment, is there any way they could look at re-opening the Phibs end of the ground?

That would be a perfect spot for away fans, as you have to walk past the closed turnstiles anyway for that area if you enter via shopping centre end. It would also free up the DK stand for home fans, as there is an entrance for the Jodi behind that area, it might work, especially as the Phibs end has been cleaned up last week by volunteers.

Good to hear the new DFC CEO talk about the possibility of making use of the huge space behind the town goal in oriel park on a podcast last week. If they could only build something there, roof both sides of the stand in an L shape (so not to obstruct the stand view), that would almost be enough to get things over the line for the next few years. The shed side needs to be knocked down, using the YDC as a backfill is just waiting to be utilized, but that's probably a longer project.

Oriel Park has a long list of issues as everyone knows, even a plan to get something sorted out would be good to see and would keep fans happy. It might be all talk but the more P6 and their man (CEO) talk about it (he has also used prog notes this season to talk about it) the hope is, it can happen.

Maybe all talk, more action needed, we'll see.

[Partizan]

Its been suggested on here before, but with the current rise of support of Bohs, and the possible delay in ground redevelopment, is there any way they could look at re-opening the Phibs end of the ground?

That would be a perfect spot for away fans, as you have to walk past the closed turnstiles anyway for that area if you enter via shopping centre end. It would also free up the DK stand for home fans, as there is an entrance for the Jodi behind that area, it might work, especially as the Phibs end has been cleaned up last week by volunteers.

Good to hear the new DFC CEO talk about the possibility of making use of the huge space behind the town goal in oriel park on a podcast last week. If they could only build something there, roof both sides of the stand in an L shape (so not to obstruct the stand view), that would almost be enough to get things over the line for the next few years. The shed side needs to be knocked down, using the YDC as a backfill is just waiting to be utilized, but that's probably a longer project.

Oriel Park has a long list of issues as everyone knows, even a plan to get something sorted out would be good to see and would keep fans happy. It might be all talk but the more P6 and their man (CEO) talk about it (he has also used prog notes this season to talk about it) the hope is, it can happen.

Maybe all talk, more action needed, we'll see.

Is the main stand at Oriel a protected structure?

[EatYerGreens]

Its been suggested on here before, but with the current rise of support of Bohs, and the possible delay in ground redevelopment, is there any way they could look at re-opening the Phibs end of the ground?

That would be a perfect spot for away fans, as you have to walk past the closed turnstiles anyway for that area if you enter via shopping centre end. It would also free up the DK stand for home fans, as there is an entrance for the Jodi behind that area, it might work, especially as the Phibs end has been cleaned up last week by volunteers.

Who owns Dalymount now ? DCC ? The FAI ?

Whoever it is, I can't see why they'd be bothered spending a penny on it in its current form. What would be in it for them if they did ?

If it's council owned, then a strategy could be to go via supportive councillors and suggest to the council that if that end gets opened Bohs would then do a revenue-share on the extra ticket sales it resulted in. Manchester City Council have a vaguely similar deal with Man City on their stadium, for example. That would create a financial justification and benefit for the council to spend public money on an ageing structure which everyone knows is due to be demolished shortly. Otherwise, there wouldnlt be a strong case to spend a penny on it. If it made Bohs extra money, they should be prepared to share some of that in-return.

[marinobohs]

Its been suggested on here before, but with the current rise of support of Bohs, and the possible delay in ground redevelopment, is there any way they could look at re-opening the Phibs end of the ground?

That would be a perfect spot for away fans, as you have to walk past the closed turnstiles anyway for that area if you enter via shopping centre end. It would also free up the DK stand for home fans, as there is an entrance for the Jodi behind that area, it might work, especially as the Phibs end has been cleaned up last week by volunteers.

Good to hear the new DFC CEO talk about the possibility of making use of the huge space behind the town goal in oriel park on a podcast last week. If they could only build something there, roof both sides of the stand in an L shape (so not to obstruct the stand view), that would almost be enough to get things over the line for the next few years. The shed side needs to be knocked down, using the YDC as a backfill is just waiting to be utilized, but that's probably a longer project.

Oriel Park has a long list of issues as everyone knows, even a plan to get something sorted out would be good to see and would keep fans happy. It might be all talk but the more P6 and their man (CEO) talk about it (he has also used prog notes this season to talk about it) the hope is, it can happen.

Maybe all talk, more action needed, we'll see.

the Shopping Centre end has been 'blessed' with multiple owners (often at the same time :D) but bottom line is the council (DCC) is very unlikely to renovate any part of Dalymount prior to the move to Tolka Park and the best we can hope is to maintain what is left to a decent level.The BFC Board have opened the Des Kelly Stand for all games so far (usually only opened about 3/4 times a season previously) but I cant see much scope to open any other parts of the ground, Connaught Street side (opposite Jodi) would cost tens of thousands to open safely (ie get a safety certificate), apparently structural work needed and barriers are all corroded. The Shopping Centre end itself hasn't been an option for over a decade so even with ownership aside it would cost a lot to open.

As LOI numbers appear to be tailing off a bit thee is also a concern that any expanded capacity may not be needed !

[RathfarnhamHoop]

Any dundalk lads know the latest around the two grass training pitches at oriel? Last I head the local school owned at least one of them but the club were renting them, that still the case?

[oriel]

Yes, this is still available, owned by the nearby Dlk Grammar school, and full arrangment in place for use. DFC train daily here for away games, and on the oriel pitch for home games. They also have full access to the grass pitches from the YDC behind the shed, where the new changing rooms are / gym / video room etc.

I understand the rent / arrangement is very modest and no threat of this being pulled, as DFC offer the pitch / oriel training facilities back to the school in the arrangement.

[colonelwest]

Any dundalk lads know the latest around the two grass training pitches at oriel? Last I head the local school owned at least one of them but the club were renting them, that still the case?


Aye yeah still the same. A pity as at the time the land went for 60k but the owner of the club at the time was up the creek financially with the crash so the local grammar school bought it. The club sold Hiney Park for a million back in 2005 to clear debts but have the use of it again from the school, that's down the hill behind the bottom floodlight of the below picture.

Always going around in circles with redevelopment ideas for Oriel but bar the new CEO saying next on the list is roofing the open terraces in some way before anything else happens not much news at all bar vague talk of plans. No idea how they'll do that without replacing the roof on the main stand, which would cost serious money, as as restricted as the views are through the side panels, if they roof the away end and 5 min terrace the view would be worse again.

As can see below there's space there behind the Carrick Road end (that backs onto the other pitches) to put in something and also at the town end. They tarmacced that a bit and covered the infamous pot hole over the winter. The grass bank there was left as is and is used as a vantage point for many for games but if they were going to do something there they probably would have got rid of that and put in concrete for future foundations.

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[RathfarnhamHoop]

Aye yeah still the same. A pity as at the time the land went for 60k but the owner of the club at the time was up the creek financially with the crash so the local grammar school bought it. The club sold Hiney Park for a million back in 2005 to clear debts but have the use of it again from the school, that's down the hill behind the bottom floodlight of the below picture.

Always going around in circles with redevelopment ideas for Oriel but bar the new CEO saying next on the list is roofing the open terraces in some way before anything else happens not much news at all bar vague talk of plans. No idea how they'll do that without replacing the roof on the main stand, which would cost serious money, as as restricted as the views are through the side panels, if they roof the away end and 5 min terrace the view would be worse again.

As can see below there's space there behind the Carrick Road end (that backs onto the other pitches) to put in something and also at the town end. They tarmacced that a bit and covered the infamous pot hole over the winter. The grass bank there was left as is and is used as a vantage point for many for games but if they were going to do something there they probably would have got rid of that and put in concrete for future foundations.

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It's a shame they no longer own the pitches as it'd be a great training complex if they did, great to have access but ownership or at least a lease is just that extra bit of security.

Wonder who owns the rest of the land around there, if the school own it all or what the story is because from vague memories of satellite images there's a lot of unused land there around the two pitches.

Apparently the problem with the Carrick road end is it needs to be kept clear not only for YDC access but also emergency pitch access in the corner away fans are kept. Something with a permanent back of the stand and retractable seating at the front would be a potential solution.

If dundalk had the main stand going the length of the pitch, covered the whole shed and put something at the town end it'd improve the ground immensely.

[oriel]

DFC could easily build a curved roof (L Shape) on both sides of the stand which would do the job and would not obstruct the view of the main stand.

The new CEO regularly gives updates on the need to make improvements, compared to the previous CEO when nothing was mentioned, he also suggested this winter could be a period when changes are finally put in place.

No one expects miracles, or overnight builds, but these two upgrades both sides of the stand would be a start, then build a new stand behind the town goal (look at the space from the photo above), that would improve the place no end.

Any long term project could follow after that.

[Ezeikial]

The new CEO regularly gives updates on the need to make improvements, compared to the previous CEO when nothing was mentioned, he also suggested this winter could be a period when changes are finally put in place.


Wishful thinking won't improve the Oriel Park facilities

I think that the current CEO Mark Devlin has said pretty much the same stuff as his predecessor, albeit with somewhat more articulation and eloquence. But there is absolutely nothing that I have heard from him that indicates that anything of significance is in the pipeline in the immediate future.

His most comprehensive interview was on Between the Stripes podcast and anyone who wants to decipher the reality through positive optimistic soundbites, can listen again to the podcast linked in the attached article



Speaking on S3EP16 of Between the Stripes LOI podcast (https://audioboom.com/posts/7287277-the-mark-devlin-special-with-tim-clancy-gary-parsons), Devlin once again highlighted the above and seemed to suggest the club would look to make small improvements to its current home before any long term plans are established.

https://www.betweenthestripes.ie/blog/2019/6/13/dundalk-ceo-appeals-for-patience-on-oriel-upgrades

[RathfarnhamHoop]

Galway have done loads of work on their pitch and it looks like a carpet. Don't know if it was the club or who did it or organised it but fair play whoever it was because it looks great.

[Nesta99]

https://soundcloud.com/dundalk_sport/mark-devlin-dundalk-fc-ceo-interview-june-27th-2019

[RathfarnhamHoop]

Have shels closed the TV gantry in Tolka? You'd imagine that's something that would be needed with Premier division football supposed to be coming whenever dcc get their act together and sort out Tesco

[outspoken]

Have shels closed the TV gantry in Tolka? You'd imagine that's something that would be needed with Premier division football supposed to be coming whenever dcc get their act together and sort out Tesco
Was certainly closed when we played them a few months ago. Club camera man had to record from the stand and couldn't get feck all on cam with all the poles in the way

[Charlie Darwin]

Was certainly closed when we played them a few months ago. Club camera man had to record from the stand and couldn't get feck all on cam with all the poles in the way
That's racist.

[bohsmug]

Have to say Tallaght stadium looks the business these days on TV. That one extra stand has made a much bigger difference than I thought it would. The fourth stand will make it one of the very few finished looking grounds in this country. Although I think 10,000 seats is 2,000 too many and could make games like tonight feel less packed. Still a much better "problem" than anyone else has.

[nigel-harps1954]

https://www.finnharps.ie/post/finn-harps-stadium-plans-update-august-2019

If anyone cares about these updates anymore?

Athlone Town stadium Part II.

[Nesta99]

Boom is back! Property value of Finn Park must have recovered sufficiently to get the developer rolling again. 24 months from the first half of 2020 seem very long for one proper stand unless there is additional work being done on other sides eg terracing - stil long when stands can go up in 6 weeks these days.

[nigel-harps1954]

Boom is back! Property value of Finn Park must have recovered sufficiently to get the developer rolling again. 24 months from the first half of 2020 seem very long for one proper stand unless there is additional work being done on other sides eg terracing - stil long when stands can go up in 6 weeks these days.

And considering most of the structural work on the main stand is already done.

Club hope to keep Finn Park now, which would be massive for the club.

[Mr A]

Boom is back! Property value of Finn Park must have recovered sufficiently to get the developer rolling again. 24 months from the first half of 2020 seem very long for one proper stand unless there is additional work being done on other sides eg terracing - stil long when stands can go up in 6 weeks these days.

Except under this plan Finn Park is retained.

In any case everything is fecked until the department of Sport are happy with the FAI, and that does not appear to be imminent.

[Ezeikial]

Is there some sort of cooling in relationships between SDCC and Shamrock Rovers?


“Tallaght Stadium is a South Dublin County Council-owned stadium and to provide flags in the colours of Shamrock Rovers would not be in keeping with the promotion of the stadium as a destination for all events throughout the county.”


http://www.echo.ie/tallaght/article/shamrock-rovers-fans-green-and-white-flags-near-tallaght-stadium-get-great-feedback

[bohsmug]

What's the real advantage of moving if they're only building one stand and want to retain Finn Park? Would something like Sligo Rovers main stand and adding simple terracing behind the grassy end of Finn Park not do a reasonable job? I would worry that you'll end up with Athlone Stadium 2. One great stand that covers all your needs and leaves you with an incomplete looking ground. If they do add terracing it will help with the "incomplete" aspect but that press release is a bit vague. Phase 2 in this country is a rarity.

[Mr A]

What's the real advantage of moving if they're only building one stand and want to retain Finn Park? Would something like Sligo Rovers main stand and adding simple terracing behind the grassy end of Finn Park not do a reasonable job? I would worry that you'll end up with Athlone Stadium 2. One great stand that covers all your needs and leaves you with an incomplete looking ground. If they do add terracing it will help with the "incomplete" aspect but that press release is a bit vague. Phase 2 in this country is a rarity.

Extra pitches and facilities is definitely a major upside- it's a massive toll on the club finding pitches for the various teams to train and play on, especially when there are 5 or 6 teams playing in the same weekend plus all the various Academy teams.

I guess a lot depends on how developed those open terraces would be and what effort level would be required to upgrade them to seating or covered terracing.

TBH.. I love the idea of a big covered terrace on one side of the pitch!

[bohsmug]

From a purely superficial point of view, one behind the goal keeps the fans on camera. I'm possibly guilty of over focusing on that myself. I do think it's good that Harps are not just blindly pursuing the all-seater route for the sake of it. As much as United Park is a kip, I always love the atmosphere in the small covered terrace.

[pineapple stu]

Is there some sort of cooling in relationships between SDCC and Shamrock Rovers?




http://www.echo.ie/tallaght/article/shamrock-rovers-fans-green-and-white-flags-near-tallaght-stadium-get-great-feedback
That's always been the council's view. It's why the seats are a complete eyesore

[bohsmug]

And because they misunderstood the concept of mixing multiple colours/shades of seats to help make a ground not look so bad with empty seats and have doubled, trebled and with the new stand will quadruple down on the initial misunderstanding.

[Nesta99]

Extra pitches and facilities is definitely a major upside- it's a massive toll on the club finding pitches for the various teams to train and play on, especially when there are 5 or 6 teams playing in the same weekend plus all the various Academy teams.

I guess a lot depends on how developed those open terraces would be and what effort level would be required to upgrade them to seating or covered terracing.

TBH.. I love the idea of a big covered terrace on one side of the pitch!

Agree! I far prefer to stand at games. Anything that encloses a ground and improves the atmosphere. Tallaght felt souless at times until the additional stand was built so when the 4th stand is built it will be a nice wee cauldron on big match nights.

Will there be work done on Finn Park itself when Stranrolar opens. I understand the need for additional pitches but it will still eat in to some of the finances to maintain.

[bohsmug]

Tallaght felt souless at times until the additional stand was built

I agree and actually I'm surprised how much that has lifted the place.

[Mr A]

Agree! I far prefer to stand at games. Anything that encloses a ground and improves the atmosphere. Tallaght felt souless at times until the additional stand was built so when the 4th stand is built it will be a nice wee cauldron on big match nights.

Will there be work done on Finn Park itself when Stranrolar opens. I understand the need for additional pitches but it will still eat in to some of the finances to maintain.

I would say that at some stage the stand will have to come down.

There will be costs involved in maintaining those extra pitches for sure but at the moment we end up paying to rent facilities in any case, and the week to week organization involved is a huge amount of effort that could be better spent elsewhere.

[bohsmug]

Been meaning to ask for a while. Sligo Rovers 2017 - 2021 strategic plan included this in the section about infrastructure improvements:

1 - Construction of a multi-purpose facility at the Church hill road end to include a large multi use room at ground level which can be used as an indoor function room, bar and gym and incorporating dressing room and showers and fully equipped first aid room to UEFA standards and storage.
2 - First floor of Church Hill Road facility to be designed to have approximately 200 seats overlooking the pitch with facilities for a TV control room, players lounge and some corporate/sponsored space in balcony seating.
3 - Museum section and a family section to be incorporated into the first floor space also. Achievement of this project listed under actions 3, 4 and 5 will be dependent on grant financing.
4 - Ground development plan which will prioritise works to be undertaken taking account of essential works and developments likely to generate revenue. The plan will provide for facilities as indicated in this strategy and will outline indicative funding requirements as well as funding opportunities.


Is there any word of this now?

[Kingswood Rover]

it was also to do with the amount of very visible Dublin GAH flags around the stadium

[EatYerGreens]

And because they misunderstood the concept of mixing multiple colours/shades of seats to help make a ground not look so bad with empty seats and have doubled, trebled and with the new stand will quadruple down on the initial misunderstanding.

Not sure if you're being serious here, but that isn't why they have that mess of colours.

[bohsmug]

https://macdaraferris.wordpress.com/2010/04/02/take-a-seat/


When asked, the County Architect pointed out correctly that the stadium was now a municipal facility, not a stadium owned by Shamrock Rovers. So this seemed to be a reason not to have a seating arrangement of green and white. It was almost a signal to the people of South Dublin that this was their stadium and, while Shamrock Rovers were a very welcome anchor tenant, it was a stadium not just for one community organisation. Most Rovers fans could understand this viewpoint even if deep down they wanted a green or a white seat to sit in. They probably would have accepted this position quite willingly if it wasn’t for the bizarre arrangement that was unfolding before their eyes like a game of Lego or Tetris unfolding in the real world.

The Council went on to explain that the reasoning for the arrangement is that it is common in European stadia to have “an assortment of colours across the stand. This reduces the appearance of emptiness on television for events with a small attendance. It also adds visual liveliness when the stadium is not in use.” Having the mixture of seats is indeed a practice seen in a number of stadia around the globe but the arrangement in Tallaght was not the “visual liveliness” most were looking for or had seen elsewhere.

This is what an assortment of colours across a stand to reduce the appearance of emptiness looks like: 2805

[sbgawa]

That is actually excellent pity they didn't do that in Tallaght.

[RathfarnhamHoop]

That is actually excellent pity they didn't do that in Tallaght.

The colours they picked lend themselves to doing it perfectly too just they either made a complete mess of it, or more likely reason is that there was just some stubborn gah head councillor that insisted the seats couldn't be rovers colours so this was the compromise and what was said to the press was a cover of that

[Couch Potato]

Or the fact that the FAI were trying there best to get Pats into Tallaght with Rovers and put red white and yellow seats in along with the green and white ones?

[Nesta99]

Dont forget the possibility of Cabinteely also, Tallaght along with other spots thrown out there is they make a push for play-offs and manage to pull off a minor miracle of promotion. Tallaght is more than capable of hosting 2 'anchor' tenants!

[pineapple stu]

Cabo are an interesting one. Devlin was in the media during the week talking about what would happen if they went up. Said Stradbrook wasn't up to scratch (which it clearly isn't), and that they'd have to look at Bray, UCD or Tallaght. But they were trying to get into Bray a couple of years ago, and UCD (the college) have previously blocked other clubs (Shamrock Rovers) from playing home games there. So Cabo seem to be running out of options for a new ground.

[RathfarnhamHoop]

Cabinteely may as well fold now if they intend to become anchor tenants at Tallaght, they could maybe just about survive using it for a year but even that'd be pushing it. There's a reason Pats as a club and their fans are dead set against it.

[nigel-harps1954]

Don't Cabinteely have plans to develop Kilbogget Park? Was in their 5 year plan anyway.

[Nesta99]

Cabinteely may as well fold now if they intend to become anchor tenants at Tallaght, they could maybe just about survive using it for a year but even that'd be pushing it. There's a reason Pats as a club and their fans are dead set against it.

I can understand clubs and fans not wanting to leave their historical home area. Rovers thanks to history in general managed to both move from their traditional base and share grounds and survive bar the trouble they got in to over Tallaght development in the end ironically. Cabinteely could roll on as an amatuer type set-up, its by no means a forgone conclusion that they would go to the wall. If promoted they would in all likelhood be relegated again and go back to Stradbrook. You really really dont like the idea of Tallaght Stadium being used by other clubs RH ;) Any time its mentioned you blow cold quickly!!

[RathfarnhamHoop]

I can understand clubs and fans not wanting to leave their historical home area. Rovers thanks to history in general managed to both move from their traditional base and share grounds and survive bar the trouble they got in to over Tallaght development in the end ironically. Cabinteely could roll on as an amatuer type set-up, its by no means a forgone conclusion that they would go to the wall. If promoted they would in all likelhood be relegated again and go back to Stradbrook. You really really dont like the idea of Tallaght Stadium being used by other clubs RH ;) Any time its mentioned you blow cold quickly!!

Well firstly I wasn't wrong about Dundalk and Tallaghts availability was I? You can ask Sligo fans how right I was.
Secondly I've no problem with Cabinteely sharing Tallaght but it would throw their business plan out the window and some and there's not a chance they'd survive multiple years of it, Rovers barely survived it and no other club would stand a chance doing anything similar nevermind a club as small as Cabo (in LOI terms).

[Nesta99]

Well firstly I wasn't wrong about Dundalk and Tallaghts availability was I? You can ask Sligo fans how right I was.
Secondly I've no problem with Cabinteely sharing Tallaght but it would throw their business plan out the window and some and there's not a chance they'd survive multiple years of it, Rovers barely survived it and no other club would stand a chance doing anything similar nevermind a club as small as Cabo (in LOI terms).

Unfortunately that issue never really arose

[RathfarnhamHoop]

Unfortunately that issue never really arose

Yeah yous played on the Tuesday night for the craic

[sbgawa]

Don't Cabinteely have plans to develop Kilbogget Park? Was in their 5 year plan anyway.

Yeah Cabo have plans to develop kilbogget but it is years away and dependent on council funding....it's about as close to reality as saying x random club has plans
There isn't a hope of Cabo moving to Tallaght.
The pitch is used by rovers most weekends for 19s etc from a pure logistics perspective but more importantly from Cabo' S viewpoint they can't get a crowd a 10 minute drive away from kilbogget in blackrock there is zero hope of people traveling out to tallafornia

[marinobohs]

Yeah Cabo have plans to develop kilbogget but it is years away and dependent on council funding....it's about as close to reality as saying x random club has plans
There isn't a hope of Cabo moving to Tallaght.
The pitch is used by rovers most weekends for 19s etc from a pure logistics perspective but more importantly from Cabo' S viewpoint they can't get a crowd a 10 minute drive away from kilbogget in blackrock there is zero hope of people traveling out to tallafornia

No direct bus from kilbogget to Tallaght 😁
Think the idea was that Pats would move to Tallaght (as per FAI masterplan) Bohs/Shels at revamped Dalymount and Shams/Pats at Tallaght. Still the most likely long term outcome (even if Pats are playing hard to get).