View Full Version : The John Delaney Discussion thread
Partizan
08/10/2006, 11:38 AM
The fact that I despise people from Waterford and Louth .
Good God Almighty... I thought all that crap was done & dusted.
The Stars
08/10/2006, 11:40 AM
wouldnt be that hard on Delaney...he did support the Super Draw in the the Showgrounds.....ok,maybe you are right.
SeanC
08/10/2006, 11:45 AM
The fact that I despise people from Waterford and Louth is secondary to the pain I feel due to the damage Delaney and Staunton are doing to the game I love. You can remain loyal to your fellow county man but don't dare try to defend him to me. I shudder to think of the damage he could do to the eircom League.
Now, now a bit of objectivity please. Waterford people are human too (allegedly). But Delaney and his cronies were of course completely at fault for last night's fiasco.
We're ****ed. I'm off to search for Scottish ancestors.
MarkyH
08/10/2006, 11:58 AM
Delaney out now before he can do any more damage
MarkyH
08/10/2006, 12:33 PM
Can a mod please put up a poll for the following.
Should John Delaney be fired?
finlma
08/10/2006, 1:20 PM
You may as well add a poll to see if people on here think the world is round.
Course he should be fired and of course everyone thinks so.
Exercise in futility.
OwlsFan
08/10/2006, 1:26 PM
I don't know what either Delaney's or Staunton's salaries are. But I suspect they're both on a pretty penny and have good contracts. COnsequently if they're both fired I reckon it may cost the FAI immediately maybe 1.5 million in compensation. That doesn't include the cost of offloading the various other hangers on, including Robson.
How much will that leave to recruit a decent new manager? Little or nothing I suspect.
We're up the swanny without a paddle I am afraid. Damed if we do and damned if we don't.
I don't know what either Delaney's or Staunton's salaries are. But I suspect they're both on a pretty penny and have good contracts. COnsequently if they're both fired I reckon it may cost the FAI immediately maybe 1.5 million in compensation. That doesn't include the cost of offloading the various other hangers on, including Robson.
How much will that leave to recruit a decent new manager? Little or nothing I suspect.
We're up the swanny without a paddle I am afraid. Damed if we do and damned if we don't.
Hpw much will he cost us in lost revenue if things continue they way they are?
OwlsFan
08/10/2006, 2:31 PM
That's the obvious reply but my point was we won't be able to afford anyone better.
It's a disaster but those who call for heads to roll have to realise the price of heads, like that of houses, is very expensive.
Stuttgart88
08/10/2006, 2:39 PM
If I remember right Staunton is on about EUR 400k a year, Robson about half that. Peanuts compared to what Robson is used to, but I doubt money was his motivation. Kerr earned EUR 450k.
No idea what Delaney earns. Is it a full time job for him? Isn't he a solicitor or something like that anyway?
Stuttgart88
08/10/2006, 2:42 PM
How do you sack the boss anyway? He should do the decent thing and resign. He gave his word that if Genesis wasn't implemented within 12 months he'd do just that. Surely there must be some grounds for his colleagues to force him out. If he resigned there'd be no compensation.
skitz3
08/10/2006, 2:55 PM
is it something to do with the fact that the said person is from "Wahherfurr".
Give over your obesession with Delaney. He is not the cause of our current malaise. Its due to 30 years of neglect.
It's nothing to do with the fact he's from Waterford. It's to do with the fact that he is a uselss ****,how couldn't organise a **** up in a brewery,let alone be the head of a national football association!
DELANEY MUST GO
skitz3
08/10/2006, 2:56 PM
Should John Delaney be fired?
Without a doubt!
The reason why some Waterford fans are defending him is because he is the only thing that can save them from being put into the
1st division next season!
onenilgameover
08/10/2006, 2:58 PM
How do you sack the boss anyway? He should do the decent thing and resign. He gave his word that if Genesis wasn't implemented within 12 months he'd do just that. Surely there must be some grounds for his colleagues to force him out. If he resigned there'd be no compensation.
Delaney will never resign so thats out of the question. he could only be forced out from pressure from the fans and not the fai itself.
...and much like irish midfield the irish fans do not have much strength...
...i'm afraid this will blow over after weds...no matter what the result...
Noelys Guitar
08/10/2006, 2:59 PM
Staunton has to go + hangers on too. I knew he would'nt resign. Who other than the FAI would employ him? Paying him off is a huge financial problem for the FAI (of their own making). But for the sake of Irish football he has to go now . The money can be recouped in the long term by having a proper manager that the fans believe in. Delaney will have to resign. He will be forced out by fans. Watch what happens. He will never have faced the type of invective which is to flow his way. And he deserves it. So "Seanie" get out now before things get too hot.
onenilgameover
08/10/2006, 3:04 PM
Staunton has to go + hangers on too. I knew he would'nt resign. Who other than the FAI would employ him? Paying him off is a huge financial problem for the FAI (of their own making). But for the sake of Irish football he has to go now . The money can be recouped in the long term by having a proper manager that the fans believe in. Delaney will have to resign. He will be forced out by fans. Watch what happens. He will never have faced the type of invective which is to flow his way. And he deserves it. So "Seanie" get out now before things get too hot.
would love to see it happen but....
alot of 1000+ posters (those that slag off and do zip, nada nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
on here kept silent during the red card protest...i can see the same stuff happen again....
it makes me sick to the core!!!!!
onenilgameover
08/10/2006, 3:05 PM
John Delaney has managed to set Irish football back 100 years in a matter of months. The Waterford man must have an agenda to destroy the game from within. He didn't want Brian Kerr as the manager from the very start, so he did everything in his power to have him removed. Then he hired Staunton. He is single handedly to blame for the greatest national shame since Michelle Smith.
There's no point getting rid of Staunton unless we get rid of Delaney too.
Limassol v Cork City FC in Nicosia had a bigger crowd than that game last night. Last year, there were 14,000 Irish in that stadium. We'll end up playing in half empty stadiums, like Wales, if John Delaney is allowed to continue!
we have to honest with ourselves...we let him
osarusan
08/10/2006, 3:24 PM
You can remain loyal to your fellow county man but don't dare try to defend him to me.
You will refuse to listen to his opinions because his opinions are different from yours. Very mature.
geezer
08/10/2006, 4:45 PM
im no great fan of his but he is 100 times better than the fool menton that went before him. Delaney works hard and is very professional and applies that in all the changes for the good he has done since he organised his mafia to clear the way for him. The biggest change of all though was the manager of the national squad and for that he threw all his professionalism out the window unexplainably appointing a u13 coach of walsall to the most important job in the fai. For that he should pay with his job soon we will be ranked outside the 100 and all the good work done previously counts for nothing and it all happened on Delaneys watch
Billsthoughts
08/10/2006, 6:20 PM
would love to see it happen but....
alot of 1000+ posters (those that slag off and do zip, nada nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
on here kept silent during the red card protest...i can see the same stuff happen again....
it makes me sick to the core!!!!!
most people had their cards taken off them and most people who follow ireland do not use or have never heard of this site.
onenilgameover
08/10/2006, 6:38 PM
most people had their cards taken off them and most people who follow ireland do not use or have never heard of this site.
for sure bill but there was alot of heads on here keeping silent....those that mouth off all day but are afraid to actually do something...they are as much to blame as anyone..
now look where we are....
we all have a responsibility to football in this country....that is if thats what we want
pineapple stu
08/10/2006, 7:06 PM
If I remember right Staunton is on about EUR 400k a year, Robson about half that. Peanuts compared to what Robson is used to, but I doubt money was his motivation. Kerr earned EUR 450k.
No idea what Delaney earns. Is it a full time job for him? Isn't he a solicitor or something like that anyway?
He's on something similar, as far as I understand.
And Peadar - Delaney's not from Waterford. He's from Tipp...
superfrank
08/10/2006, 7:16 PM
I think Delaney should be allowed to stay in his job. He was the only CEO with the balls to stand up to G-14, even though I think he is wrong, and he must be admired for his determination and dedication.
How long has he been in that job now?? Has he had a minutes rest from the press, etc? He is a man with direction. He knows what he's doing. He has plans to put a decent structure in place in our league. It's about time someone in the FAI got off their arses and did something about the league.
Whether it works or not is to be seen, but at least give the guy a chance. No one would want to be in a job where you're constantly harrassed by the media and your employers (the Irish fans) and you've no support.
Give the guy a break. Let him get on with his job. We won't know how football in this island ends up til the Genesis report is over and done with.
pineapple stu
08/10/2006, 7:24 PM
Superfrank, you've put nothing in your post to back up your opinion.
Delaney is a man with direction? What's that? Down?
He's had loads of peace from the press. He's hardly been mentioned by the press in two or three years in charge. He started one interview by saying that he hardly ever does interviews. He's best friends with some of the press (McDermott) and ensuers that he gets peace.
The guy's had a chance. He promised a world class manager and delivered Staunton. He's screwed over eL fans on their tickets. He's presided over the league moving into near chaos with one bankruptcy and three winding-up orders despite the presence of UEFA Licencing. He's presided over the U-21s becoming one of the worst teams in Europe, yet sticks with the manager. He appoints an agent to manage a B team, which is a clear conflict of interests. He's not presiding over the demise of the international team from second (2002) to third (2004) to fourth (2006) to quite possibly fifth (2008).
The sooner he's gotten rid of, the better.
onenilgameover
08/10/2006, 7:28 PM
We won't know how football in this island ends up til the Genesis report is over and done with.
The Genesis report!
Seriously..Today is not a day for Jokes!
Poor Student
08/10/2006, 7:31 PM
Speaking of the Genesis secondary school report, didn't he say he would resign if all the suggestions of the first part were not implemented within a year?
pineapple stu
08/10/2006, 7:37 PM
Thing is, it was never published, so we don't know what's happened.
The Genesis Report, as far as I know, was basically his way of backstabbing his way to the top. Out his enemy (Menton) and clear all opposition. Genesis - as we can see from the eL report - seem to have been quite happy to be given an answer and asked to come up with a question.
No, simply because I don't believe firing Delaney will make any difference to the attitude of the FAI or direction in which football in the country is going.
Pointless firing him.
Norman
08/10/2006, 9:04 PM
Delaney appointed a Manager with little or no Managerial experience. Last nights result makes us the laughing stock of European football and that hurts. If Stan continues with his 4 year plan, it will set us back ten years in terms of FIFA rankings. The loyal fans who pay good money to travel to support the team and pay top dollar to buy home match tickets deserve better. The fans who made the trip to Cyprus and had to witness that rubbish will need psychiatric support when they get home.
Delaney appointed Stan, he must carry the can......
:mad: :mad:
He has to go. Kerr was let go on the basis of getting a world class manager in - we got a Walsall reserve team manager. No one's gonna tell me that Kerr would've presided over that shíte on Saturday night.
This is on top of the debacle that is FAI controlled licensing with has allowed a club go out of business mid season, 3 winding up orders, and the league generally in financial disarray (because they never fookin implemented the thing). Add in the draconian punishments for clubs who dare have dissenting voices on the terraces or anything mildly critical in their programmes or have a message board on their site (not to mention if they get sponsorship from an eircom rival). Nothing has been done to address the situation of underage managers and those involved with the national team advising young players that they must leave the eL at any cost. Whilst presiding over some truly awful results themselves.
As to the way forward, I've said it many times. The only option is to invest in football in this country so that we develop our own players rather than rely on the failing UK system. The League should be the focus of resources to develop academy's to develop players with the technical skills to compete in modern world football. If that means bringing in foreign coaches, even in the senior roles, then so be it. This is where we maybe able to attract one of the genuine world class coaches - give them complete control from the bottom up to and including the national team. All junior, intermediate and school boy clubs should feed into this. Any player who leaves outside of this system should never get capped, and then we'll see how many the "nursery" clubs who only seem interested in names on a plaque will send over at 14.
This will never happen of course, because the Irish football public won't support an approach that disassociates itself from “their” clubs. No more than with politics, the public get the international team they deserve.
Billsthoughts
09/10/2006, 11:59 AM
good points well made.
just a couple a things....
do the people who are delighted that Ireland are doing crap now cause the fans all support brit teams not know that the same man who presided over this shambles is about to take over the running of their league?
also why dont fans of EL teams try and get elected as clubs rep on FAI and push for the reforms mentioned above?
(thats a genuine question so if the answer is a blindingly obvious negative apologies....)
youngirish
09/10/2006, 12:56 PM
Three things I'd like to see happening in this order:
1. Delaney must go. We've turned into a complete joke in footballing terms since he took over.
2. Staunton must go too. How he got the job I'll never know but he's even worse than anyone could have expected.
3. The underage teams and their associated managers need a complete overhaul. At least Kerr gave us success at underage level and we all know success breeds success. The fact Givens has kept his job as U21 manager for as long as he has speaks volumes for what's wrong with the whole FAI. Losing is not ok at any level.
As for the comments regarding we don't have the players. We have far better players on paper than both Scotland and Northern Ireland we just need the organisation and the people around them to motivate them and organise them correctly.
pineapple stu
09/10/2006, 12:58 PM
also why dont fans of EL teams try and get elected as clubs rep on FAI and push for the reforms mentioned above?
(thats a genuine question so if the answer is a blindingly obvious negative apologies....)
The blindingly obvious answer is, of course, that you can't do things like that as a club rep or you'll get your club in trouble (not just a fine; bullying from the FAI that's much harder to deal with). You can't get a separate organisation - like the NLSA - involved as the FAI simply won't vote anyone who strays a modicum away from official line into any sort of position of power. And for all the complaining that you do, there is absolutely nothing the FAI has to do about any of it. They will do what they want, and complaining won't make them change their mind, and voting them out won't happen because Delaney has ensured that the people who matter are all loyal to him.
Stuttgart88
09/10/2006, 1:54 PM
Who would people's ideal choice be to run the FAI?
Can someone remind me on what issue exactly did Rooney resign over?
pineapple stu
09/10/2006, 5:07 PM
Surely Brian Kerr?
Can't remember why he quit, but do a search and you'll find it here. The thread was dragged up recently, as I recall.
onenilgameover
09/10/2006, 5:14 PM
Surely Brian Kerr?
Can't remember why he quit, but do a search and you'll find it here. The thread was dragged up recently, as I recall.
http://www.foot.ie/showthread.php?t=19093&highlight=fran+rooney
Keithdaly
09/10/2006, 5:56 PM
In fairness neither Stan nor Delaney let the ball doink off their head to give the Cypriots an easy goal, or put in a park football tackle in the box to give away a needless penalty. Andy O'Brien on the other hand did both. Paddy Kenny also gave a goal away.
Ultimately we had 14 highly paid professional footballers representing our country who could not summon the collective nous to beat one of the weakest teams in Europe.
Yes, the management of the FAI and the Ireland team itself may be all wrong, but the players are the most culpable for this defeat.
It was the FAI/Delaney who appointed Staunton. It is Stauntons job to pick, organise and motivate the team. A Leinster Senior League selection could have kept Cyprus to 3 goals. Everybody responsible for the hiring of Staunton should be fired.
Stuttgart88
09/10/2006, 9:03 PM
Well said youngirish. Don Givens keeping his job in the face of abject failure could only happen at the FAI. It's a scandal in itself.
CollegeTillIDie
09/10/2006, 9:49 PM
Delaney should go.
Partizan I am amazed at you standing up for him. He's the muppet who presided over the squandering of the money raised in your club from the PLC Share issue, a waste of money which your club is only now , 7 -8 years afterwards slowly recovering from.
And I am a shareholder in the club for the record.
There is oly 1 reason to keep John Delaney - the next guy could be worse. Don't know if that enough of a reason though.
CollegeTillIDie
09/10/2006, 10:26 PM
There is oly 1 reason to keep John Delaney - the next guy could be worse. Don't know if that enough of a reason though.
How could he be worse? This is a man who wants to catapult teams into the Eircom FAI Premier League not on merit, but on some notional geographical based aspirational attendance notion. There's a reason why Dundalk,Galway United and Limerick F.C. and Athlone Town etc are not in the Premier Division.
THEIR TEAMS HAVE NOT BEEN GOOD ENOUGH FOR ALMOST A DECADE!
eirebhoy
10/10/2006, 11:27 AM
There is oly 1 reason to keep John Delaney - the next guy could be worse. Don't know if that enough of a reason though.
All that is needed is someone who has experience as a chief exec at club level so you can judge how well he performed in that role.
DonegalDub
10/10/2006, 11:34 AM
In fairness neither Stan nor Delaney let the ball doink off their head to give the Cypriots an easy goal, or put in a park football tackle in the box to give away a needless penalty. Andy O'Brien on the other hand did both. Paddy Kenny also gave a goal away.
Ultimately we had 14 highly paid professional footballers representing our country who could not summon the collective nous to beat one of the weakest teams in Europe.
Yes, the management of the FAI and the Ireland team itself may be all wrong, but the players are the most culpable for this defeat.
Sorry, but this is not true. If all you had to do was put eleven players on a pitch there would be no need for anyone to manage the side, would there? And no need for anyone to appoint that manager in the first place. Imagine a world without John Delaneys?!?!?!
I'm afraid the result was down to a man who overreached himself and thought he was up to the job. Saying that, though, he only applied/took a call. Delaney appointed him on what basis? Delaney must go with Stan.
kingp35
10/10/2006, 11:52 AM
Delaney has got to go. Ultimately it was he who made the decision to appoint Stan after promising all us fans a "world class manager". There is no way he can live that down and so he has to resign. Sadly, I dont think he will.
greendeiseboy
10/10/2006, 12:02 PM
i'm new to this forum and this is my first input but have been logging on to site for somtime now so go easy on me in your responses.
my opinion is that both staunton and delaney should go for basically the folowing reasons:
1. in the first place staunton should not have been appoited as manager. imo he should have been appointed perhaps at best as assistant manager alongside an experienced manager brought in (who has no interest in a long term contract) with the view of stepping down after three to four years when staunton had gained enough experience to take the reins on his own.
2. Staunton was aware at the time of his appointment what he was leaving himself into and so was delaney why else would they afford him the luxury of an advisor. surely simple calculations of their combined salary would amount to almost as much as appointing the 1st class manager that we were promised by delaney.
3. roy keane has taken over at sunderland with no experience in management and it has to be said that so far is doing a reasonable job - with a lot of our current senior squad and fringe players and surely the opposition they meet week in week out are of a higher standard than the majority of the cypriot squad.
4. staunton is harping on about being in a transition period - but the majority of those on display for us on saturday are playing regular premiership football.
i dont think delaney will be sacked or resign for the reason that it will show that he is at fault and the same will go for staunton
but surely in the end fan power will win the day - after all if we show enough discontent we will have to win through - unless a miracle occurs and things do turn around.
Newryrep
10/10/2006, 12:21 PM
Delaney will not resign - not a hope, he was asked numerous times when Staunton was appointed if it didnt work out would HE resign and he always gave the stock answer " it was a unanimous decision by the commitee etc etc "
Stuttgart88
10/10/2006, 12:36 PM
i'm new to this forum and this is my first input but have been logging on to site for somtime now so go easy on me in your responses.
staunton is harping on about being in a transition period - but the majority of those on display for us on saturday are playing regular premiership football.
Some of us are actually quite friendly around here. Welcome aboard. It's addictive and massively reduces your productivity at work.
Agree about the lame excuse about the transition. Only Stephen Ireland fits the "youth" excuse he was hiding behind in this morning's Irish Times. All week people have misunderstood his building for the future nonsense. The reality is that those he picked to play have hundreds of caps between them. 130+ in the back 4 alone I think.
Stuttgart88
10/10/2006, 12:53 PM
More bewildering shyte from the FAI:
When asked whether a heavy defeat to the Czech Republic would alter the stance of the FAI, Blood replied: 'No. Positively no. We have given Stephen an opportunity to come in and he has taken our situation forward to the degree we now have a highly professional backroom staff.'
The bold type is mine.
I thought Kerr had a highly professional backroom staff, no? At least his physio was actually a physio.
DonegalDub
10/10/2006, 12:57 PM
3. roy keane has taken over at sunderland with no experience in management and it has to be said that so far is doing a reasonable job - with a lot of our current senior squad and fringe players and surely the opposition they meet week in week out are of a higher standard than the majority of the cypriot squad.
4. staunton is harping on about being in a transition period - but the majority of those on display for us on saturday are playing regular premiership football.
Re 3: Am I right in saying that about half the Cypriot team were on the side beaten by Cork City?
4. Dead on .... this rebuilding nonsense is a red herring and nobody is taking up the point with him on it. the media are in general letting him off the hook (excuse bad pun)
pineapple stu
10/10/2006, 12:59 PM
No. The Cyprus team had no Apollon players. It did, however, have six domestic players - i.e. who had finished below Apollon in the league. The Apollon team was very much a foreign team - Iraqis, Greeks, Syrians, etc. Not that many Cypriots on it, from what I can recall.
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