Post Cyprus Match Reaction thread [Archive] - Page 5

OwlsFan

08/10/2006, 10:32 AM

For those of you selling your tickets for the game on Wednesday - good riddance and close the door behind you. You can come back again with the Ole Ole brigade if and when the bandwagon starts again.

Playing Eircom League players instead - always comes up when we have a bad result. Was tried once. I think we got stuffed 6 or 7 in Austria in the 1970s.

The national soccer league will never really get hold. The GAA is imbedded in every country parish - soccer will always play second fiddle in this country, expect possibly in the cities. Invest as much as you can I agree but don't expect miracles.

The FAI did not squander "the windfall of the 90s". There was no windfall. Have a look at the books sometime. I got hold of their annual reports which are available. A few million doesn't get you very far.

Dunphy - who cares what he says (n fact we know what he'll say). I thought Aldridge was great. Spoke with passion and from the heart. I will NEVER understand why he wasn't interviewed for the job - did he have some previous falling out with Delaney ?

This is the second time in a row we have been completely outplayed by Cyprus (for those who are singing Kerr's praises). We got away with it last time. This time due to woeful player errors (O'Brien and Kenny) we didn't.

What I can't understand is the organisation at the back that we showed in Germany disappeared overnight. The lack of a decent central midfielder was cruelly exposed. Leaving Ireland on so long.....:rolleyes:

O'Shea & O'Brien I thought were the two worst players on the pitch with Kilbane and Ireland not far beind. Keane and Clinton anonymous. McGeady ok but Duff was the only Irishman who stood out and kept going until the end.

The future. Hmmmm, 4 years of Staunton's contract to buy out (800k ? not to mention Robson) - how much will that leave for a decent new manager?

I will be there on Wednesday supporting Ireland. I won't be booing anyone but I hope those in authority will make the right decision which will be obvious I suspect after Wednesday.

CollegeTillIDie

08/10/2006, 10:33 AM

its easy enough to understand what happened, they are a rudderless rabble with no leadership off the field or on.

the irish midfield had a nice look to it before the game looked very creative but omg they were atrocious, andy o brien is really suffering from not playing regularly cos he was never that bad before.

as for the captain... dont even know what to say, clinton?? rubbish

at the end of the day a good manager can get a mediocre team to achieve results by organising things and being clear headed and stan does not appear to be capable of this.

Now you see what Bobby Robson brought to the table. If you look at the three games he has not been available for only the Germany game was a performance worthy of memory.

livehead1

08/10/2006, 10:36 AM

Exactly...People of Ireland should demand that these are the players who should play for our country,not League 1 Englishmen with an Irish Granny.:mad:

where was the league one englishmen?

CollegeTillIDie

08/10/2006, 10:37 AM

I predict six points against San Marino and possibly four against Wales and quite frankly that's all

Hither green

08/10/2006, 10:38 AM

Not that I'm a huge supporter of Lee Carsley (although could only improve on the p*ss poor midfield that we had yesterday) but was just reading Staunton's comments at yesterday's press conference on his exclusion:

"No, because we�re looking forward". What sort of reply is that? It just smacks of pig-headedness and no real reasoning.

"I�m not saying Lee is no longer in my plans but at the moment I am going along with the lads I have. They deserve a chance..." frankly I think they've had their chance.

"...and it would be a kick in the teeth for those guys if they were not given that opportunity..." frankly a kick in the teeth is the least that they deserve.

"They have to take the bull by the horns, take possession of the jersey and then it is up to them." What the hell does that mean? That about sums it all up really, a load of hot air and no substance.

CollegeTillIDie

08/10/2006, 10:40 AM

Well folks if FIFA and UEFA lose their case against the G14 clubs who want compensation for loss of wages when players get injured; the FAI will be forced for economic reasons , to choose EL players as they will be able to afford the compo when the likes of Jason Byrne, Mick Devine and Barry Ryan get injured on international duty. The good news is they won't lose 5-2 to Cyprus.

DeNiro

08/10/2006, 10:40 AM

The squad are not training this morning due to a team meeting. Very ironic given that we never needed a training session so bad. Why can't they do the two? It hardly from fatigue seeing as they did nothing last night!

CollegeTillIDie

08/10/2006, 10:41 AM

shakermaker1982

08/10/2006, 10:42 AM

Are we allowed to call up any new players for Wednesday? Can Carsley be drafted in or is it too late?

Staunton is out of his depth but is a proud man so won't resign. It will take the 800k compo to shift him and its money well spent. If he had any decency he'd tell the FA "I won't take your money".

I never want to see O'Shea and Kilbane in an Irish shirt again. I'm sick of the sight of em - they are wasters. How they receive money every week for 'playing' football astounds me.

1: Stan and Delaney out.
2: Aldridge or Curbishley in.
3: O'Shea, O'Brien and Kilbane told to stay well away from the set up.

Hither green

08/10/2006, 10:46 AM

I predict six points against San Marino and possibly four against Wales and quite frankly that's all

4 points against Wales? I think that's hopeful.

shakermaker1982

08/10/2006, 10:49 AM

Wales played some decent football yesterday and were a little unlucky to be on the receiving end of a 5-1 home defeat. I think we'd be lucky to get 2 points off em.

DeNiro

08/10/2006, 10:49 AM

I haven't heard Staunton's interview in full yet. BBC website has it but it's not available to people in ROI. Anyone seen it listed anywhere else?

shakermaker1982

08/10/2006, 11:09 AM

it's not worth listening to to be honest with you.

The Stars

08/10/2006, 11:14 AM

where was the league one englishmen?

ya sorry about that,didnt mean to say that,i've changed it now.

Emmet

08/10/2006, 11:15 AM

Just listened to his Press Conference on the BBC website ... he sounds lost to be honest; I really do feel sorry for him but he must have had some inkling of what the job entailed when he took it on.

Dassa

08/10/2006, 11:20 AM

have to say I cant believe what happened to the ROI last night, dont worry about it lads keep it going and get behind your team for wed night and Id say you might surprise everyone. Good luck for wed night

DeNiro

08/10/2006, 11:21 AM

According to sport on 2fm it is now an emergency team meeting with a press conference to follow after. Shades of Saipan with an emergency team meeting!

Billsthoughts

08/10/2006, 11:39 AM

I will be there on Wednesday supporting Ireland. I won't be booing anyone but I hope those in authority will make the right decision which will be obvious I suspect after Wednesday.

Hard to argue with a lot of what you say except this decision was obvious after the holland game. decision should have been made then. we may still be in this if it had. We effectively took a gamble on our international future which failed miserably. Delaney should resign and an outsider should be brought in to restructure FAI. A businessman for the admin side and a football man for the football side. A lot of the personal comments about staunton leave a bad taste in the mouth. No doubt he thought he could do a job when he accepted the role. the blame lies with the people who appointed a novice rather than staunton.

shakermaker1982

08/10/2006, 11:47 AM

emergency team meeting? They've probably lossed their passports or one of their BMWs is having teething problems back at home.

finlma

08/10/2006, 11:48 AM

Dunphy - who cares what he says (n fact we know what he'll say).

Incorrect - who cares what you say more to the point. Dunphy is an ex pro with a valid opinion. He laughed when Stan was appointed and how right he is.

People have every right to go and boo that team on Wednesday. Embarrasement to the green jersey.

Diego Murphy

08/10/2006, 11:57 AM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/internationals/5416486.stm

This is Staunton's interview. Tis hardly inspiring!

Billy Lord

08/10/2006, 12:02 PM

DeNiro

08/10/2006, 12:05 PM

Staunton did not attend the press conference this morning. That's the sign of a real coward. Finnan, O'Shea and McDonald were the there. I hope O'Shea got asked if he was going to continue making himself available. The most overhyped underage player ever to come through the ranks.

Partizan

08/10/2006, 12:09 PM

How does Dunphy have a valid opinion? Just because he's an ex-pro doesn't mean jack. The man's a spoofer who hasn't even been to a game in years.
Ireland are rubbish as a result of decades of neglect and an unwillingness to develop the game here. Look at what the Dutch did to revolutionise their game - all we do is moan and hope the British solve our problems.

Exactly what I was saying in the pub last night. 30 years of neglect has finally caught up with us. No point in looking for an individual scapegoat. It wont help.

shakermaker1982

08/10/2006, 12:13 PM

4 years ago we were in a world cup and on the verge of a place in the Q finals. WTF has happened since then? I'm waiting around here in the hope that something dramatic happens from this emergency team meeting and Staunton stands down.

I didn't see the Northern Ireland game but my dad did - he said they all played as if their lives depended on it. Hunger, determination and courage were all in abundance over in Denmark. When was the last time we could say that about our own boys in green? N Ireland don't have any 'stars' as such but they play as a team and would die for their team. Our Premiership boys like Keano, Finnan, O'Shea were nowhere to be seen. I hope they are all ashamed of their performance. I nearly went to Cyrpus but the Stuttgart trip plus the All Ireland final wiped me financially but I still nearly considered it.........thank God I didn't because I'd probably head towards the team hotel and give em a few home truths.

I don't expect us to be world beaters, I just want a team that works hard and gives their all. To top it off Stan's press conference made Sven Goran Eriksson sound inspirational. Says it all really.

shakermaker1982

08/10/2006, 12:15 PM

MarkyH

08/10/2006, 12:29 PM

We reap what we sow. Were we the only team at the WC in 2002 with no players playing in their own national league? Without developing our own league we will never again have a decent international team. We can't rely on epl teams to develop our players anymore. The cheaper option for them is african or eastern european players etc.

Will delaney and the fai make the needed investment in the el? No. This is the man who praised the rasing standard in irish football by giving the example of derry in europe and rovers having a draw for man ure tickets.

DELANEY OUT NOW

Roys Rolls

08/10/2006, 12:36 PM

I didn't see the Northern Ireland game but my dad did - he said they all played as if their lives depended on it. Hunger, determination and courage were all in abundance over in Denmark. When was the last time we could say that about our own boys in green? N Ireland don't have any 'stars' as such but they play as a team and would die for their team. Our Premiership boys like Keano, Finnan, O'Shea were nowhere to be seen.

I watched a lot of the Norn Iron game and agree absolutely with shakermaker1982 ...... The argument about lack of strength / experience in our own team falls away when you see Johnny Evans (a Man Utd reserve who hasn't even played for the first team, and on this 2nd NI cap) perform like he did FOR A MANAGER THAT KNOWS WHAT HE IS DOING !!!!

NI have a passion & desire that has been missing from our boys for a long time, and that Stan will never be able to bring back ....... Our lads have obviously lost all confidence (if they ever had any to begin with !) in Stan, and we are now sliding very very quickly down a slippery slope into the lowest reaches of the European rankings. FFS, I think that Wales, (& even San Marino!!!) will take huge heart from our shambles performance, and will fancy their chances against us ... OK, maybe not SM then :D

Anyway, I will listen to the next press conference with great interest !!

MarkyH

08/10/2006, 12:42 PM

[QUOTE=OwlsFan;549550]Playing Eircom League players instead - always comes up when we have a bad result. Was tried once. I think we got stuffed 6 or 7 in Austria in the 1970s.

The national soccer league will never really get hold. The GAA is imbedded in every country parish - soccer will always play second fiddle in this country, expect possibly in the cities. Invest as much as you can I agree but don't expect miracles.

QUOTE]
This current squad of players is so bad that you would have to say that some of the top el players would do a better job.

Cork City beat the Cypriot champions in the CL this year. How many of the Cypriot players play in their national league?

How many of Irelands subs last night would even get into 1 of the top el sides?

Henderson
Lee
Alan O'Brien
Douglas
St. Ledger
Foley
Tabb

I heard Eoin Hand on the radio last night and he stated that after seeing St. Ledger play he wouldn't get a game in a top 4 el side.

Peadar

08/10/2006, 12:42 PM

de gaffur said after the match that we need a huge transformation in fortune for Wednesday. Is this man for real? Does he really think we were unfortunate yesterday? He's not fit to manage a box of clothes pegs!

OwlsFan

08/10/2006, 1:03 PM

Incorrect - who cares what you say more to the point. Dunphy is an ex pro with a valid opinion. He laughed when Stan was appointed and how right he is.

People have every right to go and boo that team on Wednesday. Embarrasement to the green jersey.

I have been to more Irish games than Dunphy. I have supported all of our managers. I have never supported a team playing against Ireland. I never supported the sale of one of Ireland's premier soccer grounds. I don't give a hoot what Dunphy has to say and an Irish supporter he is not) I believe my opinion and all here is more important than his usual bile.

I have yet to read anyone who supported Staunton's appointment on these threads. Dunphy has not supported any of the previous appointments either so to say he was correct makes him what - the same as everyone else. What a lot of us said was, Stan is appointed, let's see how it goes rather than immediately calling for his head without giving him a chance.

Boo the team if you want to. That's your prerogative. I don't boo my own team - I assume that anyone who knows anything about football realises that the fans think the performance in Cyprus was desperate with terrible individual mistakes. They don't need boos to remind them of that and hopefully they'll take the necessary action.

Meanwhile I'll continue to support my country.

blobbyblob

08/10/2006, 1:08 PM

They don't need boos to remind them of that and hopefully they'll take the necessary action.

They need something. They are a bunch of cheats and cowards who have cheated the nation on one too many occasions. They refuse to face their accusers and will continue to funk their way through games as long as we let them.

Peadar

08/10/2006, 1:09 PM

A picture says a thousand words... (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/thecorner/224846.jpg)

OwlsFan

08/10/2006, 1:15 PM

They need something. They are a bunch of cheats and cowards who have cheated the nation on one too many occasions. They refuse to face their accusers and will continue to funk their way through games as long as we let them.

But is Andy O'Brien a "cheat and a coward"? He was responsible for 3 of the goals. He was just useless on the night but had played well against Germany only a few weeks ago. Are the Welsh who lost 1-5 at home to Slovakia "cheats and cowards"? Or are they just not up to the standard with poor leadership ?

Cheats and cowards or poorly organised and poorly led and in some instances, poor footballers ?

Soper

08/10/2006, 1:17 PM

Wales actually played very well in the first half, and were hit on the counter attack for most of the goals.

Peadar

08/10/2006, 1:20 PM

Wales actually played very well in the first half, and were hit on the counter attack for most of the goals.

When a tactically retarded "manager" picks 4 attacking midfield players, it has to be expected that we're going to struggle to offer suitable protection for the back 4.

billybunter

08/10/2006, 1:22 PM

"EMERGENCY TEAM MEETING" - according to a report on setanta.com, there was a "heated exchange of views" (apparently several of the players were upset at haivng to turn their off their IPODS while 'duh gaffer" was speaking.....

ccfcman

08/10/2006, 1:22 PM

http://www.sportsfile.com/fotoweb/Preview.fwx?position=27&archiveType=ImageFolder&sorting=ModifiedTimeAsc&search=(IPTC103%20contains%20D0610032)&fileId=4C3ABA64E9D5C430719D19E637E06F040B41EBD67AF D4DB45349769D3DA29DA5FC788D58B16C1545D9DFF19DCC0CA FF51CD2FE7937D6917BDA902D9604B5640F416E096CEA80DFE 48C824575572C45A67F3F301E2DB476969077E6F90D908FBF6 E373DA2236F48A489E9445986700E40E5BC7AF13A266F47DF9 40D94E66BAA58

blobbyblob

08/10/2006, 1:23 PM

Cheats and cowards or poorly organised and poorly led and in some instances, poor footballers ?

all of the above - you can make excuses for people but at some stage they have to stand up and take responsibility for themselves.

the poor footballer tag doesnt cut it for me - its an easy get out. Somewhere along the line, these guys forgot that they are wearing the green of a nation and that they represent that nation.

Staunton cant instill pride - that inherint in each and every one of us. You either have it or you dont. It was inherintly absent last night. They cheat us by not honouring the jersey. They are cowards for not taking the responsibility attached with this abject failure.

OwlsFan

08/10/2006, 1:32 PM

I don't think O'Brien is a cheat or a coward. I think he is a limited footballer, playing reserve football at Portsmouth, and is prone to terrible gaffs and has been throughout his career. But he's not a cheat or a coward yet he was instrumental in 3 of the goals.

I remember Mick Mc being pilloried for not picking O'Shea by the Man U element of the Irish support. I haven't decided whether he qualifies as a C&C or whether he too is just hopeless. Does he play better for MU in which case there is a problem there?

Peadar

08/10/2006, 1:55 PM

The future of Irish football is in their hands! :(

DeNiro

08/10/2006, 2:05 PM

Hey lads, that a cracker with the muppets picture. But at least the muppets had a bit of effort and had a good underage structure in Fragile Rock:D

lofty9

08/10/2006, 2:06 PM

Kerr - even if he was a bore - in retrospect - with these players was doing an OK job. Because everyone thinks that we are Brazil we dump him and put all our money on a rank outsider.

Thats the problem, the ole ole English premeirship supporting brigade thought we should be Brazil. Too much hope and expectation. OIreland played as a defensive unit in Germany, without creating a chance. We tried to play attacking footie against Cyprus but lost all shape completely. There was no play as a unit, and the transformation from defending in Germany to reckless attacking in Cyprus showed the ineptitude of our manager as their was a complete lack of balance in tactics.

Green Tribe

08/10/2006, 2:27 PM

I'm truly gutted. It is only starting to sink in now. I was listening to Andy Townsend on Talksport earlier, he had Aldo on the line, he sounded real upset.
Still in shock.....:mad: :(
It's going to be so hard to qualify for any tournament now, things are just getting worse.

Peadar

08/10/2006, 2:30 PM

And to think Germany put 13 past the Cypriots!! :eek:

When exactly was that? :rolleyes:

Green Tribe

08/10/2006, 2:37 PM

in shock! i shall edit:rolleyes:

billybunter

08/10/2006, 2:38 PM

i dont agree with billy lord's posts. everyone is slamming irish fans with the 'im ireland's number one supporter" and the rest are all 'the ole"brigade. people are entitled to support who they want, and if they want to wear a wig, a furry hat, or a greem banana around their neck - that is their choice. The bottom line IS that real supporters stick with their team through good times and bad. That does not mean that they do not have the right to protest or vent in whatever manner they choose (shows a care level if you ask me). blame on the players and the managers for last night is fair - it was a disgrace. but quit with the 'i told all you fair weather fans, ole brigade that it was coming" shiite - its petty when the rabble start turning on each other.

Stuttgart88

08/10/2006, 2:53 PM

Agree with what Owls Fan says above. I'll be there on Weds night & won't be booing, though I'm disgusted by those in whom we invest our faith.

I feel sorry for O'Brien. This is the first time he's been exposed at this level in my opinion. I've no major problem with him. It's not his fault we've not got many better options but whatever about eL players being up for it, I bet you anything Graham Coughlan would have taken no sh1t last night.

O'Shea? This may be kicking a man when he's down but I heard he told friends (my mate's wife was in attendance) that playing for MUFC was far more important to him. It shows. And not just him too.

Diego Murphy

08/10/2006, 3:26 PM

Scotland Team V France Ireland Team V Cyprus
1 Craig Gordon Paddy Kenny
2 Christian Dailly Steve Finnan
4 Steven Pressley John O'Shea
5 David Weir Andy O'Brien
3 Graham Alexander Richard Dunne
8 Gary Caldwell Kevin Kilbane
7 Darren Fletcher Aidan McGeady
6 Barry Ferguson Stephen Ireland
11 Lee McCulloch Damien Duff
10 Paul Hartley Clinton Morrison
9 James McFadden Robbie Keane

Looking at both those teams, on paper Ireland look to have the better team so the whole argument of not having any players to pick hardly stands up.