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drummerboy
02/10/2006, 11:10 AM
Spoke to a few lads over the weekend who have placed some resonable large amounts of money on Brian Kerr becoming the next Leeds manager. I would have thought this unlikely, but they reckon they have some inside information. Fools and their money … or perhaps they could be on to something.
tetsujin1979
02/10/2006, 12:26 PM
Odds dropping all across the usual betting sites, heard there were sizeable amounts placed in Dublin on Kerr getting appointed last week
theworm2345
03/10/2006, 1:14 AM
I'd rather have Kerr than Staunton
Qwerty
03/10/2006, 1:36 AM
As he has zero experience of professional club football in England I'd say he is about a 250-1. I don't think leading Ireland to their 2 worst place finishes in more than 25 years is going to impress anyone. Does St Pats really count as an achievement :D
theworm2345
03/10/2006, 1:59 AM
As he has zero experience of professional club football in England I'd say he is about a 250-1. I don't think leading Ireland to their 2 worst place finishes in more than 25 years is going to impress anyone. Does St Pats really count as an achievement :D
It'll probably be 2nd and 3rd worst after the Euro 08 Qualifying unfortunately :(
gustavo
03/10/2006, 2:23 AM
As he has zero experience of professional club football in England I'd say he is about a 250-1. I don't think leading Ireland to their 2 worst place finishes in more than 25 years is going to impress anyone. Does St Pats really count as an achievement :D
I suppose you could look at it that way , or else you could look at it from the viewpoint that he was a successful club manager whatever the level was , a highly successful international youth manager and an international manager that was only beaten by the eventual runners up of the whole competition by a piece of genius over 2 games in qualifying.
billybunter
03/10/2006, 3:02 AM
or you could look at it this way. we could never beat the swiss. could'nt beat israel. were poxed to beat cyprus. he highest ranked team we beat in a competitive game was Albania. you are right gustavo, i prefer to look at it your way. That has a "feel good factor" about it. i blame kerr 100% for us not qualifying for a major tournament. He facilitated the slide that started at the tail end of mccarthy's tenure. Staunton is building a better slope for it to continue.
theworm2345
03/10/2006, 3:43 AM
or you could look at it this way. we could never beat the swiss. could'nt beat israel. were poxed to beat cyprus. he highest ranked team we beat in a competitive game was Albania. you are right gustavo, i prefer to look at it your way. That has a "feel good factor" about it. i blame kerr 100% for us not qualifying for a major tournament. He facilitated the slide that started at the tail end of mccarthy's tenure. Staunton is building a better slope for it to continue.
Israel cant be blamed completely on Kerr, how bout that son a bitch Awat or our defenders going to sleep? He couldve done more, but hes not completely to blame, all we needed was one goal against the Swiss and we were in a playoff. True, Kerr did not have much high level managing experience, but Staunton had 0 of any managing experience
gspain
03/10/2006, 6:06 AM
I suspect this is agent talk to get him back in the limelgiht.
I think Kerr faield a smanager and had to go. Israel away was his fault - team there for the ebating and he kept callng the players back into defence and paid the price. It was never the same afterwards.
We may have made the wrong choice to replace Kerr. We'll have a better idea in 8 days time. However even if we did it was still the right decision to get rid of him.
Noelys Guitar
03/10/2006, 8:58 AM
Remember who advises Kerr. Nothing to do with Paddy Power!
tetsujin1979
03/10/2006, 9:30 AM
Anyone who wants Kerr back should take a good hard look at the Cyprus game last year and then think about whether or not they really want him back
blobbyblob
03/10/2006, 10:44 AM
Move To General Football?
eirebhoy
03/10/2006, 11:26 AM
Move To General Football?
Good point.
I really hopes Kerr gets this job as I'm waiting long enough for him to prove himself to the many doubters. :) I honestly believe he's very similar to Jose Mourinho in his tactics. He could maybe motivate the players a bit better but I really like him as a manager. Everything he does I usually agree with so he probably isn't that great. ;)
geysir
03/10/2006, 11:54 AM
I think Kerr faield a smanager and had to go. Israel away was his fault - team there for the ebating and he kept callng the players back into defence and paid the price. It was never the same afterwards.
It is one of the frustrations in footie that myths like this finds some feet and crawl back into print as if an indelible fact.
This issue was dealt with clearly in a thread after that game. With reference to frame by frame of the recording, it was conclusivly proven that Kerr was not calling the players into defence. Not to mention "kept calling".
Jerry The Saint
03/10/2006, 12:19 PM
Does St Pats really count as an achievement :D
Interesting use of the smiley there. In what way do you think his success in Ireland doesn't count as "an achievement"? Do you think that the other teams felt sorry for Pats and let them win a couple of leagues - "Ah sure, 'tis only the League of Ireland, we're not really bothered like dem lads in England"?
Winning the U-16 and U-18 European championships in the same year, finishing third in the World Youth Championships - I take it this doesn't impress you either? It's obvious that these successes weren't down to a Golden Generation of players - the likes of Gary Doherty and John O'Shea went on to make the senior team and several others were very average players who couldn't even make it in our own league which some people have such a low opinion of.
The next 2 games will be vital but it's conceivable that Ireland could be out of the running for qualifcation in just over a week's time. Kerr brought most of these players to the last day and within 1 result of qualification in both his campaigns. Personally, I think he overachieved, especially given the attitude of some players who wanted to treat Ireland games as a holiday and disliked the fully-prepared, profesionally-run setup that brought Roy Keane back into the squad. We've now seen a decline in performance and, most obviously, expectations with Staunton indicating that we should write off Euro 2008 already. In a way it's understandable and may help keep him in a job for longer especially given the support of his buddy in the FAI, something that Kerr never had.
drinkfeckarse
03/10/2006, 1:08 PM
Good point.
I honestly believe he's very similar to Jose Mourinho in his tactics.
In what way eirebhoy?
eirebhoy
03/10/2006, 1:40 PM
In what way eirebhoy?
He likes to have his wingers switching sides throughout the game. His teams are usually very solid and excellent at keeping clean sheets. He prefers to keep the ball on the ground and start play from the keeper to defence, to midfield and to the strikers as seen in the 1-0 win against Holland. He's very professional in his scouting and will not miss an opportunity to get to know more about the opposition. He's a 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 man and the formation we played against Croatia was exactly the same as Mourinho's formation at the time (in his first season).
I just think Kerr is so similar to Mourinho tactically. I also think Kerr's tactics in Israel were spot on. Israel play on the break so if we don't commit 4 or 5 players into their half and lose possession then they simply can't play on the break. It took a great late strike from outside the box to get the draw. When I say they play on the break they absolutely ripped through France on a number of occassions in their game. The speed of them on the break was top class. At the end of the day, we went all out for the win when they got the equaliser. France and Switzerland were happy to sit back for the draw in the end of their games in Israel.
Top top post Jerry. All I wanted to say without calling John Delaney a ******.
geysir
04/10/2006, 9:01 AM
Good post Eirebhoy, many points I'd agree with but the arguement is weakened by the references to friendly games. The only games that matter are the competitive games. We all know that Kerr has an excellent record in pre season friendlies. Any manager's strengths and weaknesses re tactics re anything football can only be judged in the competitve real pressure games.
macdermesser
04/10/2006, 10:54 AM
Interesting use of the smiley there. In what way do you think his success in Ireland doesn't count as "an achievement"? Do you think that the other teams felt sorry for Pats and let them win a couple of leagues - "Ah sure, 'tis only the League of Ireland, we're not really bothered like dem lads in England"?
Winning the U-16 and U-18 European championships in the same year, finishing third in the World Youth Championships - I take it this doesn't impress you either? It's obvious that these successes weren't down to a Golden Generation of players - the likes of Gary Doherty and John O'Shea went on to make the senior team and several others were very average players who couldn't even make it in our own league which some people have such a low opinion of.
The next 2 games will be vital but it's conceivable that Ireland could be out of the running for qualifcation in just over a week's time. Kerr brought most of these players to the last day and within 1 result of qualification in both his campaigns. Personally, I think he overachieved, especially given the attitude of some players who wanted to treat Ireland games as a holiday and disliked the fully-prepared, profesionally-run setup that brought Roy Keane back into the squad. We've now seen a decline in performance and, most obviously, expectations with Staunton indicating that we should write off Euro 2008 already. In a way it's understandable and may help keep him in a job for longer especially given the support of his buddy in the FAI, something that Kerr never had.
excellent post
Kingdom
04/10/2006, 12:03 PM
I liked Kerr as a manager and wanted him to be re-appointed (as it was obvious Martin O'Neill wasn't going to accept the post), but I can understand why the Kerr bashers wanted him rid. He didn't qualify from a group that was within our grasp, so I can see why he was let go.
What gets my goat up is that nobody appreciates the football we played up to the Cyprus match under Kerr. Away against Israel we were superb. Great early goal, and then the keep ball we played was excellent, possibly the best I've seen. We dominated the game, were unlucky to concede a good equaliser and were even unluckier not to bag a winner. Of all the teams that played in Israel we controlled them the best.
As for the home game against Israel, we got off to a flyer, and the substitution he made was the right one. Coasting to victory, the right thing to do was shore the midfield up. I've no doubt that we were p*xed unlucky in the last group.
The fact that so many rumours were coming from the camp was also worrying. Our most professional international manager in terms of setup and the players were supposedly unhappy about this. That annoys me. There are many supporters who travel home and abroad, pay touts ridiculous prices for tickets and can afford it. There are many who can't. We deserve people to represent us who should be doing their utmost for the national team. I don't think this was honestly the case in the last campaign.
As I said earlier, I can understand re:results why people wanted him gone but to blame it all on Kerr is foolhardy. The players were equally rssponsible.
billybunter
05/10/2006, 12:07 AM
do have to agree with kingdom's point. if some of the players put half the effort into playing for ireland as the fans did supporting them, we'd be worldbeaters.
NeilMcD
06/10/2006, 11:10 AM
Kerr makes return to scene of Cyprus horror in TV3 role
BRIAN KERR this weekend returns to the scene of one of the most traumatic nights in his international management, writes Colm O’Connor.
Twelve months ago, almost to the day, Kerr’s Republic of Ireland side limped to a 0-1 victory over Cyprus in a World Cup Group Four Qualifier — his penultimate game in charge.
Despite the memories, the former Irish boss will be in the GSP Stadium in Nicosia working as a co-commentator to Trevor Welch for TV3’s coverage of the Euro 2008 Group D Qualifier.
PaulB
06/10/2006, 11:20 AM
Brother met him last night in Cyprus, knew nothing of the leeds link..
Billsthoughts
06/10/2006, 11:22 AM
Good post Jerry and kingdom.
I reckon they wanted rid of Kerr so badly cause he took to much of an interest in the FAI and what they got up to.
Because obviously what was unacceptable in terms of results last year is suddenly more than acceptable now.
kingp35
06/10/2006, 3:06 PM
Brother met him last night in Cyprus, knew nothing of the leeds link..
Im a Leeds fan and know all the goings on at the moment. Brian has officially applied for the job. The club has made no comment on the application but its clear to all that he doesnt have a hope in hell of getting the job.
Leeds are waiting for Curbishley to come back from his holidays when they will officially approach him regarding the job. If he turns it down then the three main candidates are Claudio Ranieri, who has already said that he wants the job, Gary McAllister, who has indicated his desire to manage the club, and John Carver who is currently the caretaker manager and the favourite in many peoples eyes.
To be honest, Kerr doesnt even come into the reckoning.
bennocelt
13/10/2006, 2:33 PM
Israel cant be blamed completely on Kerr, how bout that son a bitch Awat or our defenders going to sleep? He couldve done more, but hes not completely to blame, all we needed was one goal against the Swiss and we were in a playoff. True, Kerr did not have much high level managing experience, but Staunton had 0 of any managing experience
or maybe you could look at Kerr's substitutions, how not to win a game master plan
or maybe you could look at Kerr's substitutions, how not to win a game master plan
or have a look at Guus Hiddink's master class v the Israelis recently. Oh thats right, Guus Hiddinks a total genius and we should break the bank to get this top class manager....
OwlsFan
25/10/2006, 7:16 AM
Unless Brian Kerr is Denis Wise:rolleyes: in disguise, he didn't get the job.
I don't think Kerr will ever get a big job in the UK. His cv doesn't stack up. Success at underage level won't impress the Chairmen over there and 2 draws and a loss to Switzerland, a draw and a loss to France, a draw with Albania and 2 draws with Israel quite frankly isn't that impressive either I am afraid. Wins over Cyprus, Albania (last minute), the Faroes and Georgia: would you give him the job?
macdermesser
25/10/2006, 7:36 AM
Unless Brian Kerr is Denis Wise:rolleyes: in disguise, he didn't get the job.
I don't think Kerr will ever get a big job in the UK. His cv doesn't stack up. Success at underage level won't impress the Chairmen over there and 2 draws and a loss to Switzerland, a draw and a loss to France, a draw with Albania and 2 draws with Israel quite frankly isn't that impressive either I am afraid. Wins over Cyprus, Albania (last minute), the Faroes and Georgia: would you give him the job?
that may be so .. but no-one with their full faculties can make an argument that Denis Wise is a better manager than Brian Kerr. Maybe the players have more respect because he talks in a cheeky cockney accent. Anyone this has been discussed to death. Just hope Brian gets a decent job and shuts up his critics .. because that is the only way he can ... Israel games .. please ... a freak shot in the 90th minute after controlling the game for 89 minutes (mainly on Keane's prompting) .. a wonder goal from Henry .. and the game at Lansdowne against Israel .. I'm getting sucked back into this!!:D
His cv doesn't stack up. Success at underage level won't impress the Chairmen over there and 2 draws and a loss to Switzerland, a draw and a loss to France, a draw with Albania and 2 draws with Israel quite frankly isn't that impressive either I am afraid. Wins over Cyprus, Albania (last minute), the Faroes and Georgia: would you give him the job?
As far as I'm concerned Brian Kerr is one of the greatest club managers this country ever produced, you're interpretation of his CV shows where you're coming from on the matter, ie a gaping lack of insight into just what this man has done in this country.
Agree to disagree.
eirebhoy
25/10/2006, 12:36 PM
I don't think Kerr will ever get a big job in the UK. His cv doesn't stack up. Success at underage level won't impress the Chairmen over there and 2 draws and a loss to Switzerland, a draw and a loss to France, a draw with Albania and 2 draws with Israel quite frankly isn't that impressive either I am afraid. Wins over Cyprus, Albania (last minute), the Faroes and Georgia: would you give him the job?
His first job doesn't have to be a big job so of course he could be managing a big club in England within the next few years.
Just wondering is there anything/anyone that is anti-FAI that you actually like? :)
OwlsFan
26/10/2006, 9:17 AM
His first job doesn't have to be a big job so of course he could be managing a big club in England within the next few years.
Just wondering is there anything/anyone that is anti-FAI that you actually like? :)
What has anti-FAI got to do with Brian Kerr? Are you claiming Brian Kerr was anti-FAI and on what do you base that?
All I did was point to Kerr's record at senior competitive international level (2 wins against Georgia, the Faroes, Cyprus and 1 against Albania) and said I doubt if a top team would hire him on the basis of the results. Incidentally, I also said he shouldn't have been let go unless they had someone better to replace him which they obviously didn't.
As to the best local manager, Jim McLaughlin by a long shot.
eirebhoy
26/10/2006, 9:25 AM
It just seems that anything the FAI is against, you're against and vice versa. What are your thoughts on Roy Keane? ;)
What has anti-FAI got to do with Brian Kerr? Are you claiming Brian Kerr was anti-FAI and on what do you base that?
All I did was point to Kerr's record at senior competitive international level (2 wins against Georgia, the Faroes, Cyprus and 1 against Albania) and said I doubt if a top team would hire him on the basis of the results. Incidentally, I also said he shouldn't have been let go unless they had someone better to replace him which they obviously didn't.
As to the best local manager, Jim McLaughlin by a long shot.
he may have been the best LOCAL manager
but Kerr was by FAR the best club manager
little thing to do with resources and use thereof
absolutely no comparison and no peer
OwlsFan
26/10/2006, 11:25 AM
It just seems that anything the FAI is against, you're against and vice versa. What are your thoughts on Roy Keane? ;)
I am not sure the FAI (whatever the FAI means since its made up of many elements of Irish soccer) was against Brian Kerr. He was afterall given the job of looking after the teams at underage level and then, against the views of some, he was given the top job by "the FAI". When his contract wasn't renewed at the end of his tenure, that decision was supported by a majority of soccer people (that was until we saw who the world class replacement was). So I don't go with this "the FAI" was against Kerr.
WWS, best "club manager" as against most successful local manager?. Jim McLoughlin didn't have huge resources when he was successful at Dundalk and Rovers and I'll admit, not being a Pat's fan, that I don't know what great things he did at Pats, although I remember the titles in the 1990s and problems as regards fielding unregistered players, but as a Rovers fan of long vintage, I know what Jim McL did for the Hoops after years of stagnation until stabbed in the back by the Kilcoynes.
I am not sure the FAI (whatever the FAI means since its made up of many elements of Irish soccer) was against Brian Kerr. He was afterall given the job of looking after the teams at underage level and then, against the views of some, he was given the top job by "the FAI". When his contract wasn't renewed at the end of his tenure, that decision was supported by a majority of soccer people (that was until we saw who the world class replacement was). So I don't go with this "the FAI" was against Kerr.
WWS, best "club manager" as against most successful local manager?. Jim McLoughlin didn't have huge resources when he was successful at Dundalk and Rovers and I'll admit, not being a Pat's fan, that I don't know what great things he did at Pats, although I remember the titles in the 1990s and problems as regards fielding unregistered players, but as a Rovers fan of long vintage, I know what Jim McL did for the Hoops after years of stagnation until stabbed in the back by the Kilcoynes.
well than theres a lot of gaps in your Knowledge of the game so.
get a few history books
"Never Relegated"
OwlsFan
26/10/2006, 11:41 AM
well than theres a lot of gaps in your Knowledge of the game so.
get a few history books
"Never Relegated"
Don't mention the "R" word :(
TonyD
26/10/2006, 12:22 PM
WWS, best "club manager" as against most successful local manager?. Jim McLoughlin didn't have huge resources when he was successful at Dundalk and Rovers and I'll admit, not being a Pat's fan, that I don't know what great things he did at Pats, although I remember the titles in the 1990s and problems as regards fielding unregistered players, but as a Rovers fan of long vintage, I know what Jim McL did for the Hoops after years of stagnation until stabbed in the back by the Kilcoynes.
The unregistered players fiasco was nothing to do with Brian Kerr, he was long gone at that stage. As regards Jim McLaughlin, fine manager I agree, with an excellent record, but to claim he didn't have big resources ? Didn't Rovers have by general consensus far and away the best group of players in the league during the four in a row era ? Brian took a group of players who weren't big names to the Title on two occasions(Having rebuilt the entire squad for the second Title). He's a legend in Inchicore and rightly so. His Ireland record could have been better, sure, but it makes my blood boil when I hear or read it being described as some sort of disaster. It was far from that. Wait till this campaign is finished and see where we are then.
geysir
26/10/2006, 2:22 PM
Owls did point out that Jim McLoughlin was (player) manager with Dundalk. Some 8 good years there with average resources. Including, the classic Domestic/European achievements with the '78 '79 team.
Its a no brainer, McLoughlin stands head and shoulders over any LOI manager.
Even Eoin Hand, then a rookie LOI manager, his record in his first two qual. campaigns is better than Kerr's.
Though the gran daddy of the lot has to be Liam Tuohy.
Owls did point out that Jim McLoughlin was (player) manager with Dundalk. Some 8 good years there with average resources. Including, the classic Domestic/European achievements with the '78 '79 team.
Its a no brainer, McLoughlin stands head and shoulders over any LOI manager.
Even Eoin Hand, then a rookie LOI manager, his record in his first two qual. campaigns is better than Kerr's.
Though the gran daddy of the lot has to be Liam Tuohy.
in the part time era Dundalk were actually one of the best resourced clubs in the land with a well run bar, one of the first with floodlights (if not the first in the btp clubs) and several high paid players
Even Eoin Hand, then a rookie LOI manager, his record in his first two qual. campaigns is better than Kerr's.
But his record with pats was appaling and he lasted less than a year. Kerr on the other hand...
geysir
26/10/2006, 6:06 PM
Looks like you could do with him back at Pats now. Wouldn't he be better of there than at a chronically sick Leeds?
Didn't Eoin get a job with English League legends Huddersfield after Pats?
OwlsFan
27/10/2006, 11:37 AM
Interesting article on Eoin Hand here:
http://www.dermothardy.com/Hand.html
The South American tour fiasco is mentioned here - Ireland to play Argentina in the middle of the Falklands War :rolleyes:
Interesting article on Eoin Hand here:
http://www.dermothardy.com/Hand.html
The South American tour fiasco is mentioned here - Ireland to play Argentina in the middle of the Falklands War :rolleyes:
ah a show of solidarity??:D
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