View Full Version : Is Stan Your Man?
blobbyblob
08/09/2006, 11:37 AM
Since his appointment and the recent results, these boards have been occupied with whether he should stay or go or whatever.
Mods - Can we get a poll to see who lies in what camp. When it comes to success or failure at the end of stans campaign someone is going to have bragging rights. Lets pin our colours to the mast here and now.
1. Stand by your Stan. Success is just around the corner!
2. Send Stumbling Stan back home to his Mam! Stan Out Now!
Closed Account 2
08/09/2006, 11:50 AM
Although I remain to be convinced by him, and would have picked Aldo myseld, I think now he is there we need to give him a fiar crack of the whip, so I say stand by him untill at least after the Czech game.
Billsthoughts
08/09/2006, 11:52 AM
I doubt anyone will be bragging if he is a failure as it would mean the team will have failed also.
as well as that its not as simple as people being for and agaisnt him. people are just annoyed that he wasnt too experienced to begin with and have seen nuthin since to convince them otherwise. there doesnt seem to be any potential for optimism there either. the only basis for people coming on and defending him seems to be that he "should be given a chance". I dont know what that has to do with football. I wish him all the best but at the mo he seems like a man who took a job without realising what that job entailed. did having to deal with the media really come as that much of a shock to him? he is always comin out with this lark that expectations are maybe too high and we dont have the players anymore. well then why did he take the job? give it to someone who does beleive in the team. We had this with the rugby team for years. "passion". other teams soon cottoned on how to play agaisnt this and we were usually on the wrong end of a moral victory. it was only when they started to actually believe they could compete with the best in the world by adopting a more proffesional approach that they started to get results. I know the two situations are not the exact same but thats what the performance in germany reminded me of. all pride and passion but we never ever looked like we would win the game.
blobbyblob
08/09/2006, 12:03 PM
Too many thoughts Bill. Make your choice...
Billsthoughts
08/09/2006, 12:04 PM
Very good!:D
Maybe there should be a third option - I think he was the wrong man but it would be stupid to sack him now - give him this campaign at least
endabob1
08/09/2006, 1:17 PM
Maybe there should be a third option - I think he was the wrong man but it would be stupid to sack him now - give him this campaign at least
That's my view, he was the wrong choice, not his fault. Give him the campaign and see how we do.
Billsthoughts
08/09/2006, 1:22 PM
if he was the wrong choice than why do you want to keep him?
either you think he can do the job or you dont.....
if he was the wrong choice than why do you want to keep him?
either you think he can do the job or you dont.....
I didnt agree with his appointment in the first place but am prepare to give him at least this campaign to prove me wrong. I dont see what good sacking him after one competitive game would achieve tbh
blobbyblob
08/09/2006, 1:28 PM
if he was the wrong choice than why do you want to keep him?
either you think he can do the job or you dont.....
thank you bill - now were talking. Youre either in or out boys
Are you on Stans Van
(There are some amount of words that rhyme with Stan. 188 to be correct.)
RogerMilla
08/09/2006, 1:37 PM
was not even in my top 100 choices but yes
stand by our stan
blobbyblob
08/09/2006, 1:53 PM
Sometimes its hard to love the gaffer
Giving all your love to just one man
You'll have bad times
And he'll have good times
Doing things that you don't understand
But if you love him you'll forgive him
Even though hes hard to understand
And if you love him
Oh be proud of him
'Cause after all he's just our Stan
Stand by your Stan
Give him three cheers to cling to
And something warm to come to
When Lansdownes cold and lonely
Stand by your Stan
And tell the world you love him
Keep giving all the love you can
Stand by your Stan
Stand by your Stan
And show the world you love him
Keep giving all the love you can
Stand by your Stan
-----------------------
HORSE
shakermaker1982
08/09/2006, 2:04 PM
I'll give him to the Czech game before making a concrete judgement. I thought it was a stupid appointment but he has my backing because he is our manager. If we beat the Czech's then Staunton will be the toast of Ireland and a bigger hero than he is right now. If we get beat 3 nil he'll be sacked. That is the fickle world of football.
Look at the West Ham fans who were trying to hound out Pardew during their season in the Championship...they scrape the play offs and now he is a bloody hero!!! The same fans who'd have bottled him now worship the bloke.
youngirish
08/09/2006, 3:23 PM
What alternatives are we looking at if we did sack him? Nobody of any consequence I'd guess. Give him a few games. If we don't see any improvement let him go then get another manager in who can get some competitive fixtures in before the next campaign (similar to what happened at Wales when Toshack was appointed though different circumstances I know).
Packie88
08/09/2006, 3:30 PM
I'll give him to the Czech game before making a concrete judgement. I thought it was a stupid appointment but he has my backing because he is our manager. If we beat the Czech's then Staunton will be the toast of Ireland and a bigger hero than he is right now. If we get beat 3 nil he'll be sacked. That is the fickle world of football.
Look at the West Ham fans who were trying to hound out Pardew during their season in the Championship...they scrape the play offs and now he is a bloody hero!!! The same fans who'd have bottled him now worship the bloke.
True. That is exactly what happened to Klinsmann before the World Cup. The Germans didn't back him for the job and after the WC they were loving him again. He resigned out of principle. But 'that is the fickle world of football', right on there.
gustavo
08/09/2006, 3:37 PM
well.
eirebhoy
08/09/2006, 7:15 PM
Now that he's in the job I'll stand by him but I certainly don't think he's the man for the job. I did feel it could work with Robson as his assistant.
NeilMcD
08/09/2006, 7:20 PM
I think the situation is far too complex to a simple yes or no answer. Would not have been my choice, Does not look good so far, but too early to sack him. I will say more on this after the Czech game . If we have anything less than 4 points he will be in trouble.
sligoman
08/09/2006, 7:20 PM
Now that he's in the job I'll stand by himStan by your man;) :D.
It's sheer lunacy to talk about sacking a manager at any level after only one competitive defeat. I didn't think he was the right man for the job when he was appointed but he is here now and he is our manager. Sacking him in the middle of the campaign will only unsettle the team and make it even harder to qualify. If we went around removing the manager after every competitive defeat we'd end up with a record that even Doug Ellis would be proud of!! We should keep him - at the very least - until this qualifying campaign is finished.
Billsthoughts
08/09/2006, 8:02 PM
was not even in my top 100 choices
I thought it was a stupid appointment .
I certainly don't think he's the man for the job. .
. Would not have been my choice, Does not look good so far, .
I didn't think he was the right man for the job when he was appointed .
yeah - ringing endorsement there from eveyone...:rolleyes:
sarcasm aside - do you really believe that changing the manager after only one competitive match is the best way forward?
BobbySands
09/09/2006, 1:00 AM
Stan was a stupid choice. The fact that he's talking about a "four year plan" is insulting. You're not up to scratch Steve. Even if we scrape a result against the Czech Rep, the appointment of Staunton set us back years. The German match was the first time in my memory that I KNEW, the team KNEW, the fans KNEW, the opposition KNEW, the "manager" KNEW" we were going to lose.
gustavo
09/09/2006, 6:28 AM
Agree with Emmett , the least any international manager deserves is 1 full campaign before being judged. Like him or not , and I am'nt sure i even do, His competitive record at the moment is losing away to the 3rd best team in the world via a fluky goal.
HolylandsMan
10/09/2006, 5:33 PM
He wasn't my choice as manager and I've severe doubts about the future but surely any international manager deserves at least 1 qualifying campaign to proove himself.
brine3
12/09/2006, 6:01 PM
it would look ridiculous to sack him now, and it might do damage to the players morale. we're in a lose-lose situation
it's not his fault he's manager though. if the FAI asked me to be ireland manager, i'd do it, even though i have no experience and don't feel ready. it's too good an opportunity to turn down. it would be the FAI's fault for asking me though
holidaysong
12/09/2006, 6:12 PM
Yay. He is from Dundalk after all.
Billsthoughts
12/09/2006, 7:26 PM
I dont see how people see sacking the manager after one game as ridiculous yet see keeping a manager on for a whole campaign eventhough they feel he patently isnt up to the job as being common sense.:confused: He shouldnt have been given the job in the first place. The quicker he is replaced or the fai do a middlesboro and bring in a proper manager to hold his hand the better. And Delaney should resign. He oversaw a really crap appointment which was based on what exactly? He seems more interested in controlling the bad PR than sorting out this mess. And yes make no mistake about it Ireland have been a feckin mess for the last 3 games.
Can't vote on that, he was never qualified for the job. He should be let stay now, Delaney should go.
It's not Stan's fault he got the job and he shouldn't be made the scapegoat for Dullaney. Best scenario, Delaney goes and the new man, gets someone in alongside Stan who isn't going to pop his clogs in a week, we qualify and the Gaffer is thrrrileed because it brrrillllliant and he's still the Gaaffer.
DmanDmythDledge
14/09/2006, 5:46 PM
I dont see how people see sacking the manager after one game as ridiculous yet see keeping a manager on for a whole campaign eventhough they feel he patently isnt up to the job as being common sense.:confused: He shouldnt have been given the job in the first place.
I'd agree with everything here, except that he hasn't actually done enough to warrant being sacked yet. If he proves that he isn't up to it before the qualifying campaign is over he should be sacked. If we finish 4th or lower Stan has to go.
That's my view, he was the wrong choice, not his fault. Give him the campaign and see how we do.
Also my view. Give him his chance.
MarkyH
25/09/2006, 9:12 PM
I see Stan is getting his excuses in early.
"We are developing a team for the 2010 World Cup qualifying campaign and I want players like Paul battling to be part of that. While we want to win every game and will be trying hard to qualify for Euro 2008, the main priority is building a squad capable of mounting a serious challenge in two years time."
The man is clearLy out of his depth.1 point from the next 2 games will make his position untenable and he should be gone before Christmas. If there was any justice that clown Delaney should be booted out before him as this was his "world class" appointment.
Anto McC
25/09/2006, 9:40 PM
The FAI f*cked up again but they seemed to have realised their mistake,even if they haven't Stan isn't up to it,lets nip it in the bud.
And let him take that pr*ck Robson with him!
NeilMcD
28/09/2006, 3:58 PM
Why exactly is Robson a *****.
Billsthoughts
28/09/2006, 4:00 PM
he was the english manager......reason enough for me....
jockser
28/09/2006, 4:02 PM
Stans the man :)
NeilMcD
28/09/2006, 4:03 PM
he was the english manager......reason enough for me....
So someone manages their own country it makes them a pr ick then does it.
Billsthoughts
28/09/2006, 4:07 PM
depends on the country and their previous Condescending attitude towards thier new adopted pay check...I mean country.....
NeilMcD
28/09/2006, 4:13 PM
What Condescending attitude did Bobby Robson hold when getting the job with the FAI.
Stuttgart88
28/09/2006, 4:14 PM
None that I have noticed. Quite the opposite in fact.
Billsthoughts
28/09/2006, 4:19 PM
What Condescending attitude did Bobby Robson hold when getting the job with the FAI.
you will have to do your own research
NeilMcD
28/09/2006, 4:22 PM
Well I have not noticed it and either has Stuttgart so I am just wondering where exactly you think that Bobby Robson has adopted a condescending attitude to the Irish job. If you are going to make an allegation like that it would be helpful if you could back it up. Pretty standard practice.
eirebhoy
28/09/2006, 5:53 PM
Bill, have you ever debated anything in your life? :)
Billsthoughts
29/09/2006, 7:59 AM
what are my debate stats like?
Stuttgart88
29/09/2006, 8:05 AM
Bill's having an angry day again. Cheer up, it's the weekend soon.
Billsthoughts
29/09/2006, 11:28 AM
was a classic comeback and you know it stuttsy!
NeilMcD
29/09/2006, 11:31 AM
What was that about self praise you said before Bill.
Billsthoughts
29/09/2006, 11:35 AM
great post Neil.
NeilMcD
29/09/2006, 11:42 AM
Why thank you, it was great to learn from the master.
ifk101
01/10/2006, 9:59 AM
I think Stan should leave his post if we don't get a minimum of 4 points in the upcoming matches against Cyprus and the Czechs. For all his talk about preparing for the WC qualifying campaign, our seeding and consequently our chances for that qualifying campaign is dependent on our results now. We can't afford to lose anymore matches with this in mind - it's as simple as that.
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