Carlitos Tevez to West Ham

[macdermesser]

http://www.carlitostevez.com.ar/por/index.php

unbelievable if it is true .. and some coup. Not sure if he will be donning many teenage girls walls though:p

[jockser]

Great signings for west ham! How did they manage that one!`?!?

[drinkfeckarse]

Nothing about it on WHU site although if it was true then it's to be expected as they would want to keep it quiet for fear of getting gazzumped, considering the clubs that would likely be knocking on his door.

Very strange if true.

[Sheridan]

They're supposedly getting Mascherano too, on a joint one-year loan. Fckin' hell. :eek:

My sources were predicting that Tevez would sign for Aston Villa last week, so presumably he's looking for a move to the EPL (or likes claret and blue.)

[drummerboy]

Conspiricy theory doing the rounds is that the deal is actually funded by Chelsea who don't want the pair to sign for Ansenal. So they have decided to fund the deal. They will then take both players next season.

[macdermesser]

I think there are links between Chelsea and the hammers .. would not be surprised if its a loan deal .. with Chelsea evaluating if they (him and Mascherano) are good enough for the premiership. also keeps them away from Arsenal and United and doing damage against them at the same time.

[macdermesser]

bet me too it drummer boy!!

bizzare if that is true ... apparently they also bid for Trezuguet after hearing United were after him. talk about having a strangle on the premiership.

[Roadend]

Apparently some crowd called MSI own both player's contracts and this MSI crowd tried to buy west ham no so long ago. To make it even more interesting, Abramovich supposedly is a part owner/shareholder or somesuch, in MSI.

[beautifulrock]

good work Hammers, hope the Chelsea thing is not true. Can they have that much control. I sincerely hope not

[Roadend]

It doesn't really matter who Tevez goes to anyway, South American's never do well in the premier league, he'll be no different.

[lofty9]

Watched loads of Brazilian football in the past 2 years on Sky. Tevez, for me is a Rooney clone, a fantastic player. Mascherano, IMHO, was brilliant in the world cup as a holding midfielder, and rarely gave a pass away. He reminded me of Roy Keane in that everything he did was so simple yet effective. Brilliant coup for the hammers if they get them.

[cheifo]

Very strange tbh.Get the feeling this is going to be a big story.Seems like Ashley Cole is not going to get his wish either.

[gustavo]

They both signed permenant deals

http://www.whufc.com/articles/article.php?page_id=8247

[DmanDmythDledge]

Brilliants signings for West Ham. They have a chance of winning the UEFA Cup now.

[LeixlipRed]

If Tevez and Mascherano are still at West Ham come the end of the season I'll eat my shorts. I suspect this is a dodgy deal if there ever was one. Don't tell my Dad though, he's a Hammer and when he gets home from work I'd imagine he'll be a very happy person :D

[The Legend]

This is the insanest transfer coup that I can remember.

[Volcán Masaya]

This is the insanest transfer coup that I can remember.

Still trying to get my head around this one.

I've been watching Tevez for several years now, first at Boca and then Corinthinans. I was amazed when Corinthians were able to come up with the dough to buy him from Boca and outbid the top European Clubs (it was a South American transfer record I believe). But to think he would go from there to West Ham a couple of years later is too wild.

Great fooballer. One of the craziest things I ever saw in a football match was when he was given a red card in the Boca v River Plate Copa Liberatodores semifinal a few years ago. He scored a goal and then did a chicken dance to taunt the River fans (Boca fans call River Las Gallinas, the "Hens"). Got a straight red. That was one of the most amazing intense games I've ever seen. To understand the Boca/River rivalry, think Celtic/Rangers and multiply by 10 or 15.

[Pauro 76]

Apparently some crowd called MSI own both player's contracts and this MSI crowd tried to buy west ham no so long ago. To make it even more interesting, Abramovich supposedly is a part owner/shareholder or somesuch, in MSI.

How many pies does Abramovich have his fingers in? Part stake in Spartak Moscow (sponsored by his oil company Sibneft) and now this... stinks of a Alexei Smertin style deal to me.

[Roadend]

Brilliants signings for West Ham. They have a chance of winning the UEFA Cup now.

Are you serious? Please tell me you're joking.

[gustavo]

Of course they have a chance of winning it , Why wouldnt they ?

[Soper]

West Ham had a good team as it was, made even better by these two additions.Will be a force.

[Roadend]

I suppose, they are in it afterall, Derry have a chance and all.

[DmanDmythDledge]

Just look at their team. Solid defence, superb midfield and a mixture of creativity and goals upfront. 18-1 is an excellent price IMO.

[Roadend]

I'd eat my hat if West Ham win the UEFA cup.

[gustavo]

I dont thnk they will win it either but to say they dont have a chance is pure folly

[Roadend]

A side not good enough to get into the UEFA through league position is not overnight going to become a great side by the signing of two players. Especially not these two. I'm not daft enough to even entertain such an idea. Talk about folly.

[DmanDmythDledge]

They haven't become a great side overnight. They already had a team that was going to do well in the competition.

[macdermesser]

The question that needs to be asked and answered is where did West Ham get the money to buy two 30 million rated players.

[Roadend]

They didn't buy them, they hold their registration and that is it. As soon as MSI decide they need to be sold, West Ham will have no choice in the matter. Even Portsmouth wouldn't agree to the terms that West Ham have.

[drinkfeckarse]

I hate that a Sports Company can own a players registration, this will become more and more common and can only lead to problems IMO. Clubs will no longer be able to call the shots when it comes to marketing and TV revenue.

I mean what happens if there is a little dispute between MSI and West Hams board, will they deny the Hammers permision to play the 2 of them :eek:

[Dodge]

They didn't buy them, they hold their registration and that is it. As soon as MSI decide they need to be sold, West Ham will have no choice in the matter. Even Portsmouth wouldn't agree to the terms that West Ham have.
Don't be stupid. If West Ham 9or any other club) were offered the players on a one year loan (or even 6 months) and refused it, every single person would say they were mad to refuse it. They get the use of two the world's best players and people are complaining. :rolleyes: Get out of our 'British' football mind set and look at continental europe where players go on one and 2 year loans and players are 'owned' by multiple clubs.

[drinkfeckarse]

:rolleyes: Get out of our 'British' football mind set and look at continental europe where players go on one and 2 year loans and players are 'owned' by multiple clubs.

So are you saying it's a good thing that companies like MSI can "own" players Dodge? Also, what in your opinion are the benefits of the continental system where multiple clubs can have a stake in the players registration?

I personally don't see anything wrong with someone prefering the traditional system of one club holding a players registration.

[Roadend]

Don't be stupid. If West Ham 9or any other club) were offered the players on a one year loan (or even 6 months) and refused it, every single person would say they were mad to refuse it. They get the use of two the world's best players and people are complaining. :rolleyes: Get out of our 'British' football mind set and look at continental europe where players go on one and 2 year loans and players are 'owned' by multiple clubs.

2 clubs refused the loan deal so I think you best keep quiet about that which you nothing about. They are not two of the worlds best players either, only championship manager playing clueless kids are under that impression. As for West Ham, they were developing a good attacking side with players that they own, now for a year at best they'll have two players who by all accounts will have to play if they are fit reagrdless of their form. You think this is a good deal, get a clue will you.

[Roadend]

So are you saying it's a good thing that companies like MSI can "own" players Dodge? Also, what in your opinion are the benefits of the continental system where multiple clubs can have a stake in the players registration?

I personally don't see anything wrong with someone prefering the traditional system of one club holding a players registration.

MSI own the players, they just can't hold the player's registration. West Ham hold that.

[Dodge]

2 clubs refused the loan deal so I think you best keep quiet about that which you nothing about. They are not two of the worlds best players either, only championship manager playing clueless kids are under that impression. As for West Ham, they were developing a good attacking side with players that they own, now for a year at best they'll have two players who by all accounts will have to play if they are fit reagrdless of their form. You think this is a good deal, get a clue will you.
Tevez has won South American player of the year the last 3 years. Mascherano was Argentina's best player in the last world cup. If you think they're not great, I'm not going to bother arguing with you. (although I did say if they were offered on loan (which they're not) so your point about two clubs turning them is useless)

As for the ownership thing, I wasn't saying the european system was better, I was just saying that its been around a while and is only coming to the attention of some fans now. Its here to stay, and if clubs like West Ham want top top class players this is the way they're going to get them.

[Roadend]

Nobody had heard of Mascherano before the world cup, I'm under no (dis)illusion about him being "great", One swallow and all that. But hey feel free to.
West ham hold the players registration, they don't own them at all so it can't in reality be considered anything other than a loan.
The thing about West Ham is that they were progressing nicely, so I just don't see why playing shop window for a year benefits their development in any way. Its not like they are strapped for cash that they need to take players on loan, especially under the circumstances they did.

[gustavo]

Macherano was highly rated at least a year before the world cup

[Dodge]

LOL @ the claim nobody knew of him before the world cup

[Roadend]

So am.........how well are West Ham going to do in the UEFA cup again, I seem to have forgotten?

[Dodge]

yeha its worked out well for all concerned

[drinkfeckarse]

They'll turn the corner I'm sure. There's no doubting both players class but there's also no doubting that they have disrupted the balance of the team. Pardew needs some results fast or else.