View Full Version : Stan calls up unknown 22 year old St Ledger
St Ledger only got called up as he has english parents. Staunton does not want him to declare for another country & therefore limit his options.
If you have irish parents & put your time into the under age teams don't bother trying to get a call up from Staunton.
A joke is the only word for it now.
:eek:
brine3
29/08/2006, 3:47 PM
That's good to know. If I ever miraculously become a pro footballer, I can blackmail Stan into calling me up to the Ireland squad by threatening to declare for Holland under FIFA's long-term residency rules.
Closed Account 2
29/08/2006, 4:03 PM
I thought the St Ledger was a horse race?
Yeah the St. Ledger Stakes, a race now held in Doncaster I think - supposed to be a big one for the racing buffs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Leger_Stakes
Hope the lad does well for us, it's good to see youth getting a chance with the likes of him, O'Brien and Dixon all in the fray now. Questions may be asked at the present time, but I am sure we will see the benefits 2-3 years down the line. Hope to see Foley and McCarthy make a full squad soon too, theyre good prospects.
I think its grand St Ledger is in the national squad. Stan needs to look at all new markets for players. Apparently Derby were also in for him before Preston, the market is rising for new players all the time.
Scram
29/08/2006, 10:29 PM
I think its grand St Ledger is in the national squad. Stan needs to look at all new markets for players. Apparently Derby were also in for him before Preston, the market is rising for new players all the time.
It may be grand St Ledger is in the national squad but not with Big Andy falling. Novices don't perform well in the national squad. If Stan The Man doesn't produce, Delaney should lose his Chair.
gustavo
29/08/2006, 11:10 PM
IStan needs to look at all new markets for players. .
In case you didnt notice we arent a club side!
fergalr
29/08/2006, 11:16 PM
This call up of a lower-league Englishman we have never heard of is a joke beyond all reason. It worse than the worst I can remember (Austin Hayes, Paul Butler and that fat striker that McCarthy gave a cap to).
Is "the Gaffer" not aware of the list of Irish players in the Irish Times each Monday? Is "the Gaffer" aware of the eL? No, he's only aware of a cheap reality tv show on Sky. After Big Fat Ron who is "the Gaffer" going to turn to next - Davina? Spiral at left back for the Czech game anyone?
bennocelt
30/08/2006, 12:25 AM
Surely has something agaisnt Paddy Mac then
was thinking the same..... does he not want to admit he made a mistake by not brining him in the first place,
Forever Dreamin
30/08/2006, 7:19 AM
Is it true that McCarthy has a disciplinary problem? 3 red cards, 12 yellows last year, 3 yellows already this year? Maybe he'll realise that he wont progress further till he sorts out this problem. Stan should NOT have to explain his descisions in advance of a massive game like this BUT should have to after.
And do not slag off StLeger because some gob****e of a manager or club official invited the cameras in for a dose of crap tv. I wouldnt blame any player for coming across badly in such circumstances.
BTW this post is not an endorsement of Stans choice but i feel most posters seem to be reading far too much into a descision which should be explained next week.
This is my last ever post unless I come back alive :D on the way to the airport now..................see you all on RAy Houghton Way:D :D
Stuttgart88
30/08/2006, 7:56 AM
Is it true McCarthy has a disciplinerary problem? According to the Indo & Herald, yes. So that probably means no.
From newspaper match reports and summary highlights on ITV and SKY which I watch most weekends to track the likes of McCarthy, my understanding is that McCarthy started last year as a rough diamond but managed to add more finesse and discipline to his game. His card count in the second half of last year fell quite a bit. I think he lost the plot with the ref for a second yellow in one game (Leeds?) and got a straight red for a foul in the box, but the latter happens to all defenders.
But that's just my opinion from a distance. Crafty Toe Poke's view would be far more informed (his frequent posts on the "Irish Abroad" sticky always include a comment on McCarthy) and far more than the TV clips I see its his views that lead me to believe he's made massive strides. If the guy was such an ill-disciplined headcase why would he have been appointed club captain?
And I don't recall Staunton criticising Mick McCarthy or Kevin Moran for being uncompromising centre-halves!
I think McCarthy's got quite a bit to go, but we're short in this position and being part of the squad would help, I'd have thought. He was a bedrock of the U21 team he captained and contributed a few headed goals from set-pieces.
In fairness to Staunton, he did include McCarthy for the Portugal trip but he pulled out injured. This was barely reported at the time.
However, I have to at least suspect that Pete's cynicism is warranted on this occasion. As neither McCarthy nor St Leger is likely to feature at least nail thae latter's colours to the mast for the future.
And yes, the fact that he's in a stupid TV show has nothing to do with it. Staunton played under Atkinson for a few years and is perfectly entitled to listen to his advice. He'd be foolish not to at this stage in his managerial career.
geysir
30/08/2006, 9:25 AM
How true. Sledge is the man!
Sean, I see that you are located in Preston, have you seen him play yet? Anything noteworthy?
It may be grand St Ledger is in the national squad but not with Big Andy falling. Novices don't perform well in the national squad. If Stan The Man doesn't produce, Delaney should lose his Chair.
I think your being blinkered to St Ledgers potential, true he's not a thoroughbred yet, but in time he could be jockeying for the CB position where we need a stable pairing. I also think Stan should have a look a Micheal Oakes of Wolves, for goalie cover, I think his granny is from Tralee.
Paddy Garcia
30/08/2006, 6:03 PM
St Ledger only got called up as he has english parents. Staunton does not want him to declare for another country & therefore limit his options.
If you have irish parents & put your time into the under age teams don't bother trying to get a call up from Staunton.
A joke is the only word for it now.
:eek:
Total paranoia. Staunton has already explained the hurdle McCarthy needs to jump to get in the squad - fair enough & I hope he does it.
St Ledger trained with the U21s about a year ago & claims he always wanted to play for Ireland & supported Ireland in USA 94.
Unfortunatley there appear too many people looking for a reason to have a whinge.
LeixlipRed
30/08/2006, 7:52 PM
supported Ireland in USA 94.
Wow, he supported Ireland in USA 94? Hmm, let me think, I'm forgetting something here....
Paddy Garcia
30/08/2006, 9:17 PM
Wow, he supported Ireland in USA 94? Hmm, let me think, I'm forgetting something here....
Well, what are you looking for, it seems a reasonable response to the question put to him! And I can recall others supporting England against Ireland before identifying their allegiance.
The point was made in response to the suggestion that he found his roots over the last weekend - which is not correct, though it seems you wish it were.
gustavo
30/08/2006, 9:49 PM
A lot of English people supported us in 94 cos their own team wasnt there
dr_peepee
30/08/2006, 10:11 PM
Micheal Oakes the former Villa keeper???
If it's the same guy, he's knockin around a while now. Must be 30 odd..
BobbySands
31/08/2006, 1:48 AM
Can I be the first to give a nickname to our newest acquisition. As we need a new leader, who better to emulate than Irelands most famous lead(er) guitarist. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you, "the Ledge". I Will F'in Follow.
theworm2345
31/08/2006, 2:42 AM
Micheal Oakes the former Villa keeper???
If it's the same guy, he's knockin around a while now. Must be 30 odd..
The same Wolves keeper? I like him, hes not a bad player, but he doesnt even start for them, I dont even think he starts for the reserves (Carl Ikeme)
Stuttgart88
31/08/2006, 7:44 AM
This is from this mornin's Indo:
Meanwhile, goalkeeping coach Kelly also gave a favourable endorsement of new boy Sean St Ledger, who figured at right back, having watched him on a couple of occasions in action with new club Preston North End prior to his call-up.
"I've been to see him a few times and been very impressed. I've spoken to his manager (Paul Simpson) and he's got man of the match in four of their six games so far this year," he said.
"It's been impressive how level-headed he has been and also how comfortable on the ball like an old-fashioned defender.
"Playing as a centre-half in the Championship you come up against more robust centre-forwards but he looks very assured from what I've seen so far.
"He's obviously got ticks in the most of the right boxes because that's why he's here."
Total paranoia. Staunton has already explained the hurdle McCarthy needs to jump to get in the squad - fair enough & I hope he does it.
I don't know if McCarthy is good enough but he has U21 & a full season of Championship behind him. Omitting a player for a few yellow cards seems particularly harsh.
St Ledger has been playing a low level so wouldn't have needed to commit fouls. Staunton said eL centre halfs (who have played against good european opponents) are not good enough so i fail to see how St Ledger is better.
macdermesser
31/08/2006, 1:48 PM
This is from this mornin's Indo:
Meanwhile, goalkeeping coach Kelly also gave a favourable endorsement of new boy Sean St Ledger, who figured at right back, having watched him on a couple of occasions in action with new club Preston North End prior to his call-up.
"I've been to see him a few times and been very impressed. I've spoken to his manager (Paul Simpson) and he's got man of the match in four of their six games so far this year," he said.
"It's been impressive how level-headed he has been and also how comfortable on the ball like an old-fashioned defender.
"Playing as a centre-half in the Championship you come up against more robust centre-forwards but he looks very assured from what I've seen so far.
"He's obviously got ticks in the most of the right boxes because that's why he's here."
which begs the question why was he not blooded against Holland?
pete - where did Staunton say that EL cente halfs aren't good enough?Cause he is wrong.
Stuttgart88
31/08/2006, 2:18 PM
which begs the question why was he not blooded against Holland?Well, he hadn't got 4 MOTMs out of 6 games at that stage for a start!
billybunter
01/09/2006, 6:36 PM
with all due respects, but I think it might be St Patrick we need!!
- im confident of the 1-0 upset. R keane 76th Min.
pete - where did Staunton say that EL cente halfs aren't good enough?Cause he is wrong.
I do not have a quote but i believe he did say it.
-Bray-
05/09/2006, 9:17 PM
Just watching Big Ron Manager and this lad is on the team. He is an absolute horrible little sh!t. A disrespectful arrogant tw@t.
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