Roy Keane new Sunderland manager

[geysir]

"I've played under some great managers, some good managers and some not so good managers.
Clough and Ferguson in the first catagory, obviously.
Then where do Charlton, McCarthy, Kerr and Strachan fall into? :)

Who would have asked Keane the question, "which ones were the crap ones Roy"?

[Kingdom]

Listening to Cathal Dervan on the Sports BAg on Suynday morning he alluded he would be in the crowd at the press conferance and that some of the questions he would ask might turn the situation into a Charlton-Dunphy scenario post Egypt 1990. Was Dervan there? Did he try to ruffle RMK's feathers at all?

[NeilMcD]

what a mupppet that guy Dervan is. Imagine going along to trying to re create an incident between a manager and a sad journalist. Dunphy and Dervan are as bad as each other.

[nedder]

Dunphy and Dervan are as bad as each other.

Agreed,
Also I hate to mention the dreaded S word ( only last week I had another headed debate on it) but I thing this link up between Quinn and Keane is another step to putting the whole Saipan saga to bed.
Unless it goes horribly wrong...............:eek:

[beautifulrock]

Dervan is a total muppet and as i heard of no foolishness at the press conference I assume he did not show thankfully.

[NeilMcD]

I think Keane went as far as he ever will to admitting that me made mistakes in Saipan. From listening to the press conference he basically said he had a few flaws which cost him his place at the World Cup in 2002 and the end of his Utd career but in addition these flaws made him the player that he was and the person he is. All of which is true in my view.

[drinkfeckarse]

I think Keane went as far as he ever will to admitting that me made mistakes in Saipan.


I don't agree with that Neil, Keane's character is one of that if he thinks he is right, he IS right. He'll probably look back and realise things could've been done or said differently but there's no way I think he'll ever think he was wrong.

The man is a born winner who demands excellence in all aspects in order to be at the top of your game, when it is not there it's not him who he thinks is to blame for it.

[geysir]

That's about it DFA, in a nutshell but Neil was saying the same thing. I heard on 5 Live last night, an interview with the editor of some fanzine called 'Red Man Walking' who was at the press conference. According to him, Keane was asked afterwards if he had made up with McCarthy, Keane replied to the effect that he was not going to walk around the dressing to ask if players were faking injuries, he had his regrets but he would do it all over again exactly, given the chance.
Anyway he is a fascinating subject. Just don't ask him if he's faking it.

[Stuttgart88]

From BBC this morning:

Roy Keane wants Blackburn defender Andy Todd to be his first signing as Sunderland manager. (Independent)

The Black Cats boss also wants to grab former Republic of Ireland colleagues Graham Kavanagh and David Connolly from Wigan. (Daily Mail)

As well as landing Man Utd reserve Liam Miller, Portsmouth defender Andy O'Brien and Blackburn midfielder Jonathan Douglas - all Irish. (Daily Mirror)

[drinkfeckarse]

Very predictable that every average Irish player is going to be linked with Sunderland now, we can also expect a few Celtic names no doubt.

[Billsthoughts]

From BBC this morning:

Roy Keane wants Blackburn defender Andy Todd to be his first signing as Sunderland manager. (Independent)

The Black Cats boss also wants to grab former Republic of Ireland colleagues Graham Kavanagh and David Connolly from Wigan. (Daily Mail)

As well as landing Man Utd reserve Liam Miller, Portsmouth defender Andy O'Brien and Blackburn midfielder Jonathan Douglas - all Irish. (Daily Mirror)

expect andy todd or kavanagh to be only ones with any chance of goin.

[sligoman]

Graham Kavanagh, Liam Miller, Dwight Yorke all been linked with Sunderland so far.

EDIT: Yorke has actually signed.

[eirebhoy]

Graham Kavanagh, Liam Miller, Dwight Yorke all been linked with Sunderland so far.

EDIT: Yorke has actually signed.
It looks like he's also taking Varga and Wallace from Celtic for £800k. Suprised there's a fee at all.

[Superhoops]

Graham Kavanagh, Liam Miller, Dwight Yorke all been linked with Sunderland so far.

EDIT: Yorke has actually signed.

EDIT: Kavanagh has actually signed as well

[sligoman]

EDIT: Kavanagh has actually signed as wellWell it wasn't confirmed when I posted that.

[Superhoops]

It looks like he's also taking Varga and Wallace from Celtic for £800k. Suprised there's a fee at all.

Confirmed now that both have signed.

[gustavo]

also taken Connolly , seems like the Champiionship Manager approach to managment so far:)

[Soper]

Possible name change to

The Republic of Sundireland?

[The Legend]

Its ridiculous to be honest! From an irish point of view, I hope he whips them all into shape!

[Gareth]

Kavanagh
Connolly
Millar
Murphy
Lawrence
Roy Keane
Niall Quinn

Any other irish at the club?? Crazy!! :)

[Closed Account]

Kenny Cunningham
Rory Delap
Clive Clarke
Stephen Elliott

[LeixlipRed]

suprised at Miller and Connolly's inclusion as both are lazy, average players. Maybe he fancies a challenge

[tetsujin1979]

suprised at Miller and Connolly's inclusion as both are lazy, average players
Connolly has a solid goalscoring record at Championship level:
from http://www.soccerbase.com/players_details.sd?playerid=1602

Club League FA Cup LeagueCup
Leicester 48 (1) 17 3 (2) 0 0 (0) 0
West Ham 37 (2) 10 4 (0) 2 2 (0) 2
Milton Keynes 63 (0) 42 4 (0) 0 1 (0) 0
Wolves 18 (14) 6 0 (1) 0 2 (0) 0
Watford 19 (7) 10 3 (3) 4 1 (0) 0

[drinkfeckarse]

It looks like he's also taking Varga and Wallace from Celtic for £800k. Suprised there's a fee at all.

As I said yesterday the board should get credit for the business they did this week.

Rangers release 4 players inc Olivier Bernard to get them off the wage bill and Celtic get potentially £1m for 2 reserve players.

[gustavo]

Rangers released the players at the last minute to help the players because they knew that if released they could find new clubs outside the transfer window.

[drinkfeckarse]

Rangers released the players at the last minute to help the players because they knew that if released they could find new clubs outside the transfer window.


....err yeah ok and the fact they wanted them off their wage bill only had a tiny little part in it.

[Pauro 76]

Connolly has a solid goalscoring record at Championship level:
from http://www.soccerbase.com/players_details.sd?playerid=1602

Club League FA Cup LeagueCup
Leicester 48 (1) 17 3 (2) 0 0 (0) 0
West Ham 37 (2) 10 4 (0) 2 2 (0) 2
Milton Keynes 63 (0) 42 4 (0) 0 1 (0) 0
Wolves 18 (14) 6 0 (1) 0 2 (0) 0
Watford 19 (7) 10 3 (3) 4 1 (0) 0

some record.... look at the amount of clubs!

[renovater]

I was alway admirer of Roy he always stands for what he believes.
it was good move to bring him to Sunderland and he has got off to a flying start
well done to him hope he has a good season:)

[SunnySweeney]

Sunderland 3 - 0 up against Leeds at Elland Road.

Miller, Kavanagh and Eliott have all scored.

Maybe Kenny Cunningham might bang one in before the night is out !

[beautifulrock]

good to see all three scoring especially Miller and Eliott. A lot of irish players on the pitch tonight (8 started)

[Poor Student]

It's a pity for Sunderland they couldn't get Keane in earlier. Quinn's stint is like starting off with minus 12 points for Keane.

[Stuttgart88]

I was alway admirer of Roy he always stands for what he believes."Sunderland is a nothing club and Niall Quinn/ Mother Thersa is a Muppet."

I always stand up for what pays me £2m a year. :)

I admire Roy Keane in many other ways, not least his now apparent ability to reflect on past events and move on, even if it did take time.

[NeilMcD]

His greatest talent is his ability to win and to get others to win also.

[Billsthoughts]

his two greatest talents are his ability to win and his ability to get others to win also..............and his ability to attract better players to the club.....his three greatest talents......:D

[OwlsFan]

I was alway admirer of Roy he always stands for what he believes.


Or as others might say, not me of course :o , he mouths off at anyone or anything that annoys him or doesn't agree with - not necessarily an admirable trait but you can put your own spin on it.

Back to reality today as they struggled to a draw at home to Leicester.

[Stuttgart88]

Article I just saw, adds comment on Billy Clarke, Irish U19 international playing well at ipswich:

KEANE HAPPY TO USE MENTORS' INFLUENCE
By Damian Spellman, PA Sport
Sunderland boss Roy Keane will adopt the firm but fair approach he received
from Brian Clough and Sir Alex Ferguson as he hones his management style.
The 35-year-old, who had a fearsome reputation on the pitch, has insisted he
will not be afraid to lay down the law when it is required, but will not be too
hard on this players.
Keane said: ``I would always try to give the players the benefit of the doubt.
The one thing I have learnt from Brian Clough and Alex Ferguson is I always
thought they were fairly fair.
``If you made a mistake, they were quite happy to put their arm around you but
eventually, they would come down hard on you.
``That is all you want as a player. If the manager is fair with you, you have
no complaints.''
Keane's comments come in a week that marks the second anniversary of Clough's
death, and he retains an enormous fondness for the former Nottingham Forest
manager.
He said: ``He gave me my chance. He brought me over from Ireland and threw me
into the first team when I think all the other coaching staff were doubting
him.
``But there you go, he followed his instinct - and what a genius he was!
``People keep going on about him as a football manager, but I will always
remember the stuff he did for me as a person especially when my family was
coming over or if I wanted to go home. He was brilliant like that.
``Anything I wanted, he looked after me - but then again, when I did step out
of line, he came down hard on me.
``I found him to be a very fair man, and obviously, he is sadly missed.''
Meanwhile, Keane is battling a growing injury crisis after losing full-back
Stephen Wright until Christmas.
The 26-year-old former Liverpool defender underwent surgery yesterday - his
third operation in the last two years - and will be sidelined for 12 weeks.
It is the latest in a series of blows for Keane, who despite the sizeable
squad with which he started his new career, has a major headache for Saturday's
Coca-Cola Championship trip to Ipswich.
Strikers David Connolly, Stephen Elliott and Daryl Murphy are out with thigh,
ankle and hamstring problems respectively, while Jon Stead is rated at only
50-50 with a stomach strain and Chris Brown is touch and go with an ankle
injury.
That could leave Keane with only 34-year-old Dwight Yorke and newcomer Kevin
Smith available as he looks to continue his unbeaten start at Portman Road.
However, the Irishman is confident that former Manchester United team-mate
Yorke, who made his debut as a first-half substitute in the 1-1 draw with
Leicester last week, will rise to the challenge.
Keane said: ``I do not think we should expect too much too soon.
``But I thought he did very well last week and it was a big plus that he got
through 80 minutes and he kept going right to the end.
``His fitness levels were decent, and I am sure that extra bit of sharpness
will come over the next few games.''
Saturday's game could see 18-year-old Ipswich midfielder Billy Clarke finally
achieve his dream.
The Cork-born player was a huge fan of his compatriot and reportedly knocked
on Keane's mother's door as a 13-year-old to tell the Republic of Ireland
international his ambition was to come up against him one day.
Keane said: ``I do not remember that - I do not remember last week! He is
playing for Ipswich?
``It will be nice to meet up with him. Maybe I could have carried on a bit
longer and played in another year or two.
``That is great. I will look forward to meeting him.''

[gustavo]

Just a thought
I wonder what kind of reception the new Keane-loving fans of Sunderland that travel over for the Wolves game will give Mick McCarthy and how this will go down with the Sunderland fans who still hold Mick in high esteem

[OwlsFan]

Was at the Stadium of Light yesterday to see the Owls go bottom of the Championship :o

Was impressed with Liam Lawrence out on the right and he also took most of their deadball kicks. Cunningham stood out above most - shame he's retired. Seldom gave the ball away and did his defensive duties well. Connolly and Miller can on late in the game (the latter almost gifting a chance to Wednesday). Murphy did ok but was subbed near the end. No sign of Whelan for the Owls - not even on the bench. Coughlan was his usual gritty self at centre-half and didn't do badly.

Fair smattering of green among the fans and a few Irish accents and they're now selling a half green and red shirt.

Sonia O'Sullivan was introduced to the fans at half time as she was doing the Great North Run for dogs for the blind. She got a good welcome from the fans although I couldn't hear a word she said over the PA. Keane mentioned her in his programme notes. He was looking fit and slim and very relaxed on the bench - only came to the sideline about 5 or 6 times during the game - Sturrock spent the whole game standing there but then he had more problems :(

Wednesday fans were great. Had sold their full allocation and kept going throughout despite being long suffering. A few lost it though when SUnderland scored and were arrested in a fairly robust way by the police.

[OwlsFan]

Poor Rory Delap broke a leg in last night's defeat by Stoke 2-1.

[geysir]

Apparantly he played a stormer for Stoke in his debut game last week.

[dublinred]

Just a thought
I wonder what kind of reception the new Keane-loving fans of Sunderland that travel over for the Wolves game will give Mick McCarthy and how this will go down with the Sunderland fans who still hold Mick in high esteem

Anyone notice that Mick is ticking away nicely at the opposite end of the table to Keane with a worst set of players.

[NY Hoop]

Anyone notice that Mick is ticking away nicely at the opposite end of the table to Keane with a worst set of players.

Media wont like that.

KOH

[OwlsFan]

Mick's Wolves have been on the slide of late (could only draw against the Owls on Saturday) while Keane's Black Cats are going the other way. It looks like it will be mid-table clash when the two meet.

[OwlsFan]

I actually agree with something he says. I wonder who the Irish players are he is referrring to.

Roy Keane blasts "cheats and divers"

LONDON (Reuters) - Former Manchester United captain Roy Keane believes the Premier League is being ruined by what he sees as an epidemic of cheating and diving.

Keane, now manager of second division Sunderland, told newspapers on Friday that the problem was so bad he would be "pulling his hair out" if he was still playing.

"Players are conning each other, I'm glad I'm not playing any more, especially in the Premiership," the former tough-tackling midfielder said.

"There's a lot of sneaky stuff going on that makes it hard for referees.

"I can't get my head round a player who rolls around then gets up 30 seconds later. I'd be embarrassed. That's cheating, trying to get another player in trouble."

Keane, 35, expressed some sympathy for under-fire referees and said club managers needed to take responsibility for the behaviour of their players.

He also said it was unfair to lay the blame on the huge foreign influx of players into English football.

"Everyone has got to take responsibility," he said. "Players have got to look to treat referees fairly.

"I'm on my high horse because I went and kicked a lot of players -- but I'm on about conning referees.

"There are a lot of players who are trying to pull one over the referee by diving or chasing the referee...I wouldn't give them the time of day.

"Everyone goes down the foreign route but there are plenty of lads who play for England, Scotland and Ireland who do it...it's not just a foreign thing. Lads I've played with go down like they've been shot and it drives me crazy."

However the former Ireland player, who was sent off 11 times in his career and had regular run-ins with referees, does agree with Chelsea manager Jose Mourinho that referees should explain their decisions after the game.

"Last week I tried to speak to a referee but they have nothing to do with you," Keane said. "Mourinho made a point, maybe refs should come and speak with the media. There's no harm in them explaining their decision."

[geysir]

Keane himself was the first or one of the first to be booked for an obvious dive in the box when referees started a bit of a clampdown 2 or 3 years ago in the EPL.

[Macy]

Only remember him being booked for diving once, and that was the late 90's, away at Blackburn by Ellery. And that wasn't even a dive, just a sliding tackle that brought him down - no one appealed, not even the United fans behind that goal. Just Ellery being Ellery.

[magic moments]

Just Ellery being Ellery.

The same MR ELLERY who gave a united a pen(foul outside the area) in the 1994 FA cup final:mad:

[geysir]

Only remember him being booked for diving once, and that was the late 90's, away at Blackburn by Ellery. And that wasn't even a dive, just a sliding tackle that brought him down - no one appealed, not even the United fans behind that goal. Just Ellery being Ellery.

Your right about the game, the years are sprinting by. Can't remember the tackle, I do remember Hendry and the entire Blackburn defence were convinced that it was a dive and surrounded Keane pointing fingers at Roy. Usually means guilt implied with good reason, who in their right mind would falsely accuse Keane of cheating.

[gustavo]

day.

"Everyone goes down the foreign route but there are plenty of lads who play for England, Scotland and Ireland who do it...it's not just a foreign thing.

."

Interesting that he doesnt regard Ireland as a foreign country to the one he lives in.