View Full Version : TG4 to screen Cup derby
EireBadBoy
05/08/2006, 10:17 AM
If nothing else I'm looking forward to seeing this Murphy boy in nets. The best keeper in the land. :eek:
Anto McC
05/08/2006, 10:39 AM
I've watched Rovers a good few times this season and no way is Murphy the best keeper in the league!!!
Passive
05/08/2006, 10:56 AM
The only weak part of Murphy's game is distribution. Aside from that, he hasn't made one single mistake in two seasons. We got results in some games last year that we would have been murdered in were it not for Baz.
As for the gypos game, bring it on.
BohDiddley
05/08/2006, 11:36 AM
vermin
the usual miscontent bordering on violence that we associate with them.
Here we go again.
Can we not have a discussion of a football match without imbecilic contributions like this?
For the record (http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k230/finglas_/rovers_director_hooligan.jpg), and for SRFC incontinents with minnow memories.
holidaysong
05/08/2006, 12:19 PM
It's great that they are showing this game, definately the game of the round. I won't see it though as I'll be in Richmond Park.
nshoop
05/08/2006, 2:01 PM
I think murphy's distribution has improved,especially his throw
and that Mark O'Brien is the worst player I've seen in a Bohs jersey.
I think a few of your recent centre halves would put doubt on that comment
BohsFans
05/08/2006, 3:12 PM
a midfield that has learned how to get the ball down and play(cut through athlone like they weren't there)
:D
Still laughing at this. :D
No doubt rovers casuals and board members will be standing shoulder to shoulder after the game outside! :rolleyes:
nshoop
05/08/2006, 8:21 PM
:D
Still laughing at this. :D
No doubt rovers casuals and board members will be standing shoulder to shoulder after the game outside! :rolleyes:
3-0 and could have been more,anyway,I think it's a good point seen as you're about the same standard as athlone except in terms of crowds,where they outweight you heavily.Hope your laughing as loud after you watch your team lose on tg4 to the first and only BIG club in ireland,koh.
I've watched Rovers a good few times this season and no way is Murphy the best keeper in the league!!!
He hasn't had much to do this season that's why...:D
Yet only five goals conceded which is strange in theory as it's a bunch of first division players marking first division players that keep getting changed around...until they get to Murphy.
Anto McC
05/08/2006, 9:22 PM
Mick Devine,Barry Ryan and Chris O'Connor are all better than Murphy.
Dan Connor and Dean Delany are as good as him!
Poor Student
05/08/2006, 10:09 PM
Mick Devine,Barry Ryan and Chris O'Connor are all better than Murphy.
Dan Connor and Dean Delany are as good as him!
You consider O'Connor to be one of the top three goalies in the league?!
Barry Murphy has been the best keeper I've seen playing for Rovers in the last 15 years. I don't think we can call him the best in the Eircom leagues yet as he hasn't played enough games but I certainly would not swap him for any of the other keepers out there right now.
Anto, being a Rovers fan I'm pretty confident that I've seen Baz and Barry Ryan play a lot more times than you have and there is absolutely no way that Ryan is a better keeper.
dcfcsteve
06/08/2006, 4:47 PM
How the hell have the Bohs and Rovers fans convinced themselves that their parochial derby is the tie of the round ? Let's just look at this with a vague degree of objectivity.
Shels v City = 1st v 2nd in terms of league places.
Bohs v Rovers = 9th v a team from the lower division.
To drive the point further - it's the Irish equivalent of Chelsea v Man Utd being up against West Ham v Reading. Which of those would you describe as tie of the round......?
And that's without even going into the quality of football (and therefore viewing spectacle) the 2 ties are likely to generate.
So explain to me again how the parochial Dublin derby could ever realistically be considered tie of the round ???? :confused:
BohsFans
06/08/2006, 4:53 PM
West Ham v Reading.
With all due respect, how the **** can you compare Bohs v the scum to the above?
Are they even local rivals. :confused:
I think it's gonna be a 'rip-roaring Dublin derby with no quarter asked and none given'! ie: excellent TV entertainment, excellent atmosphere at the match. (I sound like Brian Hamilton now)
Will the Shels v Derry crowd even break 2,000?
CollegeTillIDie
06/08/2006, 4:57 PM
Will the Shels v Derry crowd even break 2,000?
Sorry Shels and Derry fans but on the crowd score he has a point!:cool:
Sorry Shels and Derry fans but on the crowd score he has a point!:cool:
Well if the FAI rigged the draw properly they should have had us at home for a big crowd:D
dcfcsteve
06/08/2006, 5:14 PM
With all due respect, how the **** can you compare Bohs v the scum to the above?
Are they even local rivals. :confused:
I think it's gonna be a 'rip-roaring Dublin derby with no quarter asked and none given'! ie: excellent TV entertainment, excellent atmosphere at the match. (I sound like Brian Hamilton now)
Will the Shels v Derry crowd even break 2,000?
Crowd won't make any discernable difference to the TV spectacle. Both will be played in stadiums that are majority empty. Whetehr Dalymount is slightly less empty than Tolka is meaningless. In fact - you could justifiably argue that Dalymount will look worse, with the large swathe of closed terraces. Viewers will just see it as empty space.
Being local rivals again has got feck all to do with it. The biggest games in England for years have been Man U v Arsenal, Man U v Liverpool , Chelsea v Man U etc. None of them are neighbours, and all have been to do with league standings. Meanwhile, West Ham and Charlton are local rivals (East v South-East London), and that's the relative quality of teams we're talking about.
Take off the Bohs-tinted glasses - the days of a Bohs v Rovers match over-shadowing ties between topped-placed teams are long over I'm afraid....
BohsFans
06/08/2006, 5:19 PM
Crowd won't make any discernable difference to the TV spectacle. Both will be played in stadiums that are majority empty. Whetehr Dalymount is slightly less empty than Tolka is meaningless. In fact - you could justifiably argue that Dalymount will look worse, with the large swathe of closed terraces. Viewers will just see it as empty space.
Being local rivals again has got feck all to do with it. The biggest games in England for years have been Man U v Arsenal, Man U v Liverpool , Chelsea v Man U etc. None of them are neighbours, and all have been to do with league standings. Meanwhile, West Ham and Charlton are local rivals (East v South-East London), and that's the relative quality of teams we're talking about.
Take off the Bohs-tinted glasses - the days of a Bohs v Rovers match over-shadowing ties between topped-placed teams are long over I'm afraid....
1. The game is in Tolka NOT Dalyer!
2. I'd expect a crowd of around 5,000 - 6,000 which will make the stadium over half full!
3. England, England, England :rolleyes: This is Ireland, use comparisons that we are familiar with FFS.
4. Being local rivals is what makes this game what it is.
Your talking through your hole there dcfcsteve!!!
CollegeTillIDie
06/08/2006, 5:28 PM
Yes I think Bohs and Rovers between them have won the FAI Cup something like 34 times. SO history would be on the side of this being the tie of the round.
Have to agree with bohsfans on this one. Why the **** are we using a comparison with a country of 60million people and 80 odd professional clubs?
Our derby will have the biggest crowd and will attract the most media interest. The Derry game will have the best quality football so it depends on what criteria you want to judge the biggest game on but I'd definitely go with the one that creates the most interest in our domestic game.
dcfcsteve
06/08/2006, 7:25 PM
Our derby will have the biggest crowd and will attract the most media interest. The Derry game will have the best quality football so it depends on what criteria you want to judge the biggest game on but I'd definitely go with the one that creates the most interest in our domestic game.
At least someone i giving the Shels v Derry game some credit anyway.
Comparisons to England make perfect sense in showing how daft it is to consider Rovers v Bohs a bigger game than the top of the table clash. If you'd rather I used a smaller country, it would've been like saying St Mirren versus someone like Aberdeen was a bigger game for TV than Celtic v Hearts. The size of country I use in these examples is irrelevant - they are just to give it some perspective to show how TG4's choice is strange.
Usually, choices in deciding which game to televise live are made on the basis of general interest. Not just interest amongst the very small EL fan market/Dublin taxi drivers - but wider interest. As the quality of football will be better between Shels and City, you could reasonably argue it is likely to attract and more importantly retain a larger audience than Rovers v Bohs (though I could be wrong, as this is moot). Regardless - the choise is not made because of some expectation with regards the attendance. You've admitted that the football will be better at the Shels City game, and the crowd better at the other, though the crowd will be neither spectacular nor even noteworthy at either match, so can't be considered a significant factor in the decision. The football is what the cameras look at for 90mins - not the crowd. So why should a channel choose to neglect showing the better game in favour of one with an insignificantly (in outright terms) bigger attendance ?? This is what I find strange.
BohsFans
06/08/2006, 7:48 PM
At least someone i giving the Shels v Derry game some credit anyway.
Comparisons to England make perfect sense in showing how daft it is to consider Rovers v Bohs a bigger game than the top of the table clash. If you'd rather I used a smaller country, it would've been like saying St Mirren versus someone like Aberdeen was a bigger game for TV than Celtic v Hearts. The size of country I use in these examples is irrelevant - they are just to give it some perspective to show how TG4's choice is strange.
Usually, choices in deciding which game to televise live are made on the basis of general interest. Not just interest amongst the very small EL fan market/Dublin taxi drivers - but wider interest. As the quality of football will be better between Shels and City, you could reasonably argue it is likely to attract and more importantly retain a larger audience than Rovers v Bohs (though I could be wrong, as this is moot). Regardless - the choise is not made because of some expectation with regards the attendance. You've admitted that the football will be better at the Shels City game, and the crowd better at the other, though the crowd will be neither spectacular nor even noteworthy at either match, so can't be considered a significant factor in the decision. The football is what the cameras look at for 90mins - not the crowd. So why should a channel choose to neglect showing the better game in favour of one with an insignificantly (in outright terms) bigger attendance ?? This is what I find strange.
You really think you know it all dont you? :rolleyes:
St Mirren!!! :rolleyes: Another club most people here know fu_ck all about!
You seem to already know what the football will be like in both games, while your looking into your crystal ball could you tell me who wins the game? Cheers.
hoops1
06/08/2006, 8:42 PM
Jesus you win the league cup and all of a sudden Londonderry are the Man Utd or Celtic of the league:rolleyes:
Rovers Bohs always has and will be bigger than any game Londonderry are involved in
dcfcsteve
06/08/2006, 10:31 PM
You really think you know it all dont you? :rolleyes:
St Mirren!!! :rolleyes: Another club most people here know fu_ck all about!
You seem to already know what the football will be like in both games, while your looking into your crystal ball could you tell me who wins the game? Cheers.
I've presented a rational arguement for why I think the tie of the round is Shels v Derry, and therefore why I'm surprised another game is being televised over it. Within that arguement I've admitted and accepted that I may be wrong.
Your response to back up your alternate view ? Snide comments.
Says it all really....
:ball:
Poor Student
06/08/2006, 10:36 PM
Dcfcsteve, Bohs and Shamrock Rovers is the rivalry in the LOI. I don't think you can make English comparisons as I think the ever increasing foreign and non-local domestic fanbase of the large English clubs has eroded the importance of local rivalries.
dcfcsteve
06/08/2006, 10:59 PM
Dcfcsteve, Bohs and Shamrock Rovers is the rivalry in the LOI. I don't think you can make English comparisons as I think the ever increasing foreign and non-local domestic fanbase of the large English clubs has eroded the importance of local rivalries.
I'll have one last go at this.
Poor Student - the TV stations don'rt give a feck about the EL's parochial little rivalries when they choose which game to screen. The league doesn't have enough fans to make screening a game solely to them worthwhile, and not enough other people know or care about our rivalries. Do you think the average football 'fan' in the street really knows that Bohs v Rovers is the biggest rivalry in EL football ?? I seriously doubt they do.
The channels therefore show games that are likely to attract and hold the attention of ordinary football fans/viewers for 2 hrs, so they can maximise their ad revenue. Most of those Joe Average viewers will know feck all about petty inter-league rivalries. They just want to watch what they hope will be an entertaining and quality game of football.
The rivalry may provide the entertainment factor (though rivalries are often just as likely to be ugly and unentertaining games). However, for the quality that viewers will seek, channels have to make an educated guess in advance on what games can provide this. And the Shels v Derry game is much more likely to provide the highest quality of game in that round.
Poor Student
06/08/2006, 11:06 PM
Steve, I see where you're coming from. I think if non-eL fans would know only one rivalry (and that's not to say many do) then it's this one. If someone doesn't know about the Bohs v Rovers rivalry then they're hardly going to be able to name the two teams at the top of the table anyway. If you're then going to go on what makes the better spectacle on screen then a big crowd at Tolka with some derby atmosphere is as good as anything to draw in the audience. You can argue for the merits of either game but a dull affair could transpire for either. Often the most boring game is televised from the round of fixtures of the week. We'll only be able to judge for sure what was the right choice after the matches have taken place.
mypost
06/08/2006, 11:30 PM
the Shels v Derry game is much more likely to provide the highest quality of game in that round.
If you want to watch quality football, watch Serie A or La Liga. If you want to watch thrill-a-minute, car crash football, this game is for you. Derry v Shels has already been shown twice on tv this season, in the Setanta Cup. I watched both matches, and they were both boring, dull affairs. So it's time for a change. TG4, like most Irish people know the game that will attract the most hype, most interest, and give the viewers what they want. An open, entertaining, end-to-end, atmospheric grudge match. Shels-Derry is not that game.
The Rovers-Bohs game is a poor team in 9th position, against a flying side three places below them in the ladder. It isn't quite like a game between Monaghan and Cork, you know.
Sam Savic
07/08/2006, 6:47 AM
Silly thread. TG4 were showing the game that was originally planned for the Friday night. Think about it.
Anyway, the Rovers V Bohs match is the tie of the round.
anto eile
07/08/2006, 7:06 PM
I'll have one last go at this.
Poor Student - the TV stations don'rt give a feck about the EL's parochial little rivalries when they choose which game to screen. The league doesn't have enough fans to make screening a game solely to them worthwhile, and not enough other people know or care about our rivalries. Do you think the average football 'fan' in the street really knows that Bohs v Rovers is the biggest rivalry in EL football ?? I seriously doubt they do.
The channels therefore show games that are likely to attract and hold the attention of ordinary football fans/viewers for 2 hrs, so they can maximise their ad revenue. Most of those Joe Average viewers will know feck all about petty inter-league rivalries. They just want to watch what they hope will be an entertaining and quality game of football.
The rivalry may provide the entertainment factor (though rivalries are often just as likely to be ugly and unentertaining games). However, for the quality that viewers will seek, channels have to make an educated guess in advance on what games can provide this. And the Shels v Derry game is much more likely to provide the highest quality of game in that round.
your spouting nonsense with your "parochial rivalries" comments.we're not talking of two sh!tty gaa clubs from the arse end of roscommon.
Rovers bohez is a city Derby.the only big derby/real game in the whole league.
its ,although on a smaller scale, just like Inter-Milan, Roma-Lazio, Boca-River. its a derby being played in a city of 1million people. how is it parochial?? would you call them parochial rivalries??:rolleyes:
dcfcsteve
07/08/2006, 11:42 PM
your spouting nonsense with your "parochial rivalries" comments.we're not talking of two sh!tty gaa clubs from the arse end of roscommon.
Rovers bohez is a city Derby.the only big derby/real game in the whole league.
its ,although on a smaller scale, just like Inter-Milan, Roma-Lazio, Boca-River. its a derby being played in a city of 1million people. how is it parochial?? would you call them parochial rivalries??:rolleyes:
It's parochial to the 99% of the football 'following' Irish population who simply neither know nor care that such a 'big' rivalry exists.
Roverstillidie
08/08/2006, 1:26 AM
steve, you are flogging a dead horse here. its really not rovers and bohs fault that more people want to watch us play than you two, even if you are flying higher.
99% of the Irish population arent aware of the rivalry? :rolleyes: i think its time you gave it a rest now, dont you?
you obviously havent spent much time in dublin, but trust me, everyone, including non footie types, is aware that what the 'derby' game is.
mypost
08/08/2006, 2:50 AM
Rovers bohez is a city Derby.the only big derby/real game in the whole league. would you call them parochial rivalries??:rolleyes:
He still thinks Rovers-Bohs is the equivalent of Derry-Institute. He has no concept of what a derby in the LOI actually means. The nearest derby for his side this season is against a team who are 100kms+ away.
And another thing, Derry and Shels have been on tv enough times this year already. Time for the public to watch someone else for a change, and see a big crowd.
NY Hoop
08/08/2006, 11:48 AM
Surely since there is no promotion/relegation and access to the new league for you will more than likelt come down to stadia rather than where you finish this year, the cup is just as important to you as it is us? Since winning the cup actually has something associated with it and the league does not, how is it more important?
Do you honestly think if we win the league that we will not be in the new premier next year?:eek:
We have more chance of winning the first than winning our Cup back IMO.
Bohspartisan: "Bohs and Pats are Dublin's big two (at least will be in 5 years time).":D
Dcfcsteve this is the biggest derby in our league and the tie of the round. You will have to accept that. This is the one TG4 wanted to televise but were just waiting on dates.
KOH
WeAreRovers
08/08/2006, 11:59 AM
How the hell have the Bohs and Rovers fans convinced themselves that their parochial derby is the tie of the round ?
Eh, 'cos it is without a shadow of a doubt.....
Steve, I'd like to cordially invite you to Tolka Park on Aug 25. I guarantee you an atmosphere unknown at any other game between eL teams - intense stomach-churning rivalry, biggest crowd of the round, mindless passion, and yes, sheer hatred.*
If you find anything like it at any game on this island bar Linfield and Glentoran I'll personally pay for your season ticket next year so you can sleep undisturbed at the Brandywell.
KOH
*See football derby in any good dictionary.
intense stomach-churning rivalry, biggest crowd of the round, mindless passion, and yes, sheer hatred.*
Note no need to mention the quality of the football on display.
The football is generally rubbish anyway because of the passionate atmosphere, but it doesn't matter..
mypost
08/08/2006, 1:26 PM
Note no need to mention the quality of the football on display.
The football is generally rubbish anyway
:rolleyes:
What d'you want? Samba football?? If so, you're watching football in the wrong country.
Go read that again...you've picked it up wrong ;)
Red4Eva
08/08/2006, 2:50 PM
although i appreciate that bohs-shams is the only real derby in the league having seen all 4 teams play this season i would far rather watch shels-derry.
mypost
08/08/2006, 2:53 PM
i would far rather watch shels-derry.
????
Derry v Shels has already been shown twice on tv this season, in the Setanta Cup. I watched both matches, and they were both boring, dull affairs. So it's time for a change.
....
although i appreciate that bohs-shams is the only real derby in the league having seen all 4 teams play this season i would far rather watch shels-derry.
Well you know where it's on. :)
Steve, I'd like to cordially invite you to Tolka Park on Aug 25. I guarantee you an atmosphere unknown at any other game between eL teams - intense stomach-churning rivalry, biggest crowd of the round, mindless passion, and yes, sheer hatred.*
Possibly but as you're involved it, your opinion can't really be objective. For me Pats v Shels during the Marney years was by far the most intense thing I've seen. Been at a few Rovers/Bohs games and been bored to tears, on and off the field. Even the inchicore "riot" :D was a joke. You're in it, and thats cool, but as an outsider, its honestly not tht intense.
Silly thread. TG4 were showing the game that was originally planned for the Friday night. Think about it.
Anyway, the Rovers V Bohs match is the tie of the round.
Spot on. Best game on the Friday no doubt. Its also, IMO, the most interesting tie of the round. Derry's game on the Sunday so no chance of being on TV
hoops1
09/08/2006, 2:41 PM
Dodge your Anti Rovers ramblings are becoming tiresome
Shels Pats bigger than Rover Bohs
I dont even think you believe that
WeAreRovers
09/08/2006, 2:46 PM
Possibly but as you're involved it, your opinion can't really be objective.
And vice versa. Ain't that the beauty of it?
KOH
And vice versa. Ain't that the beauty of it?
Abso****inlutely. BTW Pats are playing the firs t team I ever hated, dundalk, in our Cup game. Good times...
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