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FAI Chief Executive John Delaney has welcomed today's news which sees €5 million allocated to Irish football under the Sports Capital Grants scheme.
Amongst the recipients are UCD who receive €1.25 million towards their Belfield Bowl project.
Belfield it is so!
BrayUnknowns
12/07/2006, 4:08 PM
Heard a roumer that Bray got €350,000
BohsPartisan
12/07/2006, 4:42 PM
Whats a roumer?
BohDiddley
12/07/2006, 6:35 PM
Amongst the recipients are UCD who receive €1.25 million towards their Belfield Bowl project.
All part of the circus of the absurd that is sports/football admin - SRFC for FIFA TV showpiece, A. Kelly for EUFA ref panel, and a slush fund for UCD of all clubs. Maybe it's time finally to admit that things just aren't meant to make sense.
Roverstillidie
12/07/2006, 6:41 PM
i really fail to see what this thread has to do with rovers or shels?
but it will be interestiing to see the UCD whingebags explain to us how this fits into 'the fai are out to get us' conspiracy theory...
Both in need of a ground for possibly the end of this season and next season?.
kdjac
higgins
12/07/2006, 6:47 PM
I think you'll find both clubs play in grounds already !!
and both clubs have plans to move into other grounds...
Roverstillidie
12/07/2006, 6:49 PM
I think you'll find both clubs play in grounds already !!
and both clubs have plans to move into other grounds...
for another couple of weeks, but it has nothing to do with UCD finally getting a stadium sorted.
higgins
12/07/2006, 6:50 PM
weeks yeah....
Where will you be playing your football :D
Roverstillidie
12/07/2006, 6:54 PM
you are in the same boat, the difference is, we have money.
so hold off being a smartarse....
sonofstan
12/07/2006, 6:58 PM
Don't see how anyone can have a problem with UCD getting this money - they have a coherent development plan, a readymade, zoned site, they are tax compliant, they live entirely within their means; if I were an ordinary tax payer with no interest in the EL, they'd be about the only club in the capital, taking recent history into account, that I'd be happy to see getting public money
CollegeTillIDie
12/07/2006, 7:03 PM
Don't see how anyone can have a problem with UCD getting this money - they have a coherent development plan, a readymade, zoned site, they are tax compliant, they live entirely within their means; if I were an ordinary tax payer with no interest in the EL, they'd be about the only club in the capital, taking recent history into account, that I'd be happy to see getting public money
Well said Son of stan!:D
fair play to UCD. Think wws' point was that if, as rumoured, Shels are out of Tolka pretty sharpish and Morton isn't good enough, thaat leaves Richmond, Dalymount and now Belfield Bowl to fit in 6 clubs... Don't need a degree in maths to get his point, even if you don't agree with it
pineapple stu
12/07/2006, 9:05 PM
All part of the circus of the absurd that is sports/football admin[...]a slush fund for UCD of all clubs. Maybe it's time finally to admit that things just aren't meant to make sense.
Why? Do you still subscribe to the theory that we're funded by the college?
Poor Student
12/07/2006, 9:16 PM
but it will be interestiing to see the UCD whingebags explain to us how this fits into 'the fai are out to get us' conspiracy theory...
From what I see, it seems to be a grant from the Dept. of Sport which has been welcomed and publicised by the FAI. Given that it's a sport thing and that we will be ground sharing with the UCD rugby club, we're as strong a case as anyone for government investment.
pineapple stu
12/07/2006, 9:20 PM
fThink wws' point was that if, as rumoured, Shels are out of Tolka pretty sharpish and Morton isn't good enough, thaat leaves Richmond, Dalymount and now Belfield Bowl to fit in 6 clubs... Don't need a degree in maths to get his point, even if you don't agree with it
UCD won't allow another club to groundshare for insurance reasons. (Or at least, that's the college's official policy) So that's us out.
Poor Student
12/07/2006, 9:28 PM
UCD won't allow another club to groundshare for insurance reasons. (Or at least, that's the college's official policy) So that's us out.
It simply wouldn't be feasible in any case. Summer football or not, there would be overlapping with the rugby season. You'd have three clubs using a stadium for several months. I think the original post was tongue in cheek though.
Well d'uh but that doesn't mean wws can't geta dig at Rovers and/or Shels...
Dr.Nightdub
12/07/2006, 9:33 PM
UCD won't allow another club to groundshare for insurance reasons. (Or at least, that's the college's official policy) So that's us out.
Plus CHF are already sharing Dalymount and I assume after Seery's experience with Roddy that he's learned the value of contracts so that rules out Dalymount too.
Which leaves only Richmond, unless Shels and / or Rovers want to play homes games in either Bray or Drogheda. Eeenie, meenie, miney, moe...
WWS / Dodge, what shall we start the bidding at? :D
pineapple stu
12/07/2006, 9:35 PM
You're right Dodge...we're missing the fundamental element of this thread! :)
and both clubs have plans to move into other grounds...
Anybody can "have plans". Ollie's "had plans" for months now, if not years. Athlone, Cobh, Bray, UCD and Longford have sufficiently plausible plans to be given grant money (http://www.fai.ie/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=750). Nothing for Shels though. Wonder why.
higgins
12/07/2006, 9:52 PM
You're right Dodge...we're missing the fundamental element of this thread! :)
Anybody can "have plans". Ollie's "had plans" for months now, if not years. Athlone, Cobh, Bray, UCD and Longford have sufficiently plausible plans to be given grant money (http://www.fai.ie/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=750). Nothing for Shels though. Wonder why.
Longford Cobh and Bray are in the grounds they want to improve.
Athlone have a half a stand built for months now and need to finish it.
UCD have the land secured I assume and this money will go towards the development.
Shels do not need money for Tolka as we wont be there!
As for Santry, its a complicated issue as there is currently money going towards the stadium from a few councils and Clonliffe Harriers. There is still discussions going on about what will happen to Morton Stadium.
What kind of grant would you ask for if you were Shels?
sonofstan
12/07/2006, 10:08 PM
What kind of grant would you ask for if you were Shels?
a grant of probate
pineapple stu
12/07/2006, 10:11 PM
I thought there was an announcement on the ground due about now? If you had a plan, you'd at least surely apply to get some money to put in place the improvements needed in the plan? You don't have to spend the money immediately, don't forget. But it'd be nice to see someone outside the club showing some confidence in this "plan".
kdjaC
12/07/2006, 10:17 PM
As for Santry, its a complicated issue as there is currently money going towards the stadium from a few councils and Clonliffe Harriers. There is still discussions going on about what will happen to Morton Stadium.
What about Whitehall? Or have the club stopped looking for a ground and fully settled on Santry? Its there and im sure Shels would have /are looking at it as an option.
kdjac
Jerry The Saint
12/07/2006, 10:22 PM
What kind of grant would you ask for if you were Shels?
Tony Grant?
Where will you be playing your football :D
Best bit of boasting I've seen in a while - "You lot are going to be screwed when the ground you're currently renting gets reposessed from it's owners... So there!":D
higgins
12/07/2006, 10:24 PM
define "screwed"
BohsFans
12/07/2006, 10:27 PM
define "screwed"
Shelbourne Football Club
BohsFans
12/07/2006, 10:30 PM
You're right Dodge...we're missing the fundamental element of this thread! :)
Anybody can "have plans". Ollie's "had plans" for months now, if not years. Athlone, Cobh, Bray, UCD and Longford have sufficiently plausible plans to be given grant money (http://www.fai.ie/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=750). Nothing for Shels though. Wonder why.
What the hell are UCD, a bowl & €1,250,000 gonna do together?
Dr.Nightdub
12/07/2006, 10:46 PM
Play rugby by the sound of it. All of a sudden that "wear your Leinster jersey" promotion starts to make sense. Maybe that's their cunning plan in response to Delaney wanting to shaft them over the new league criteria: pocket a load of his government grant money, switch to being a rugby club and flip Dear John the finger when he looks for his wad back..
Dr.Nightdub
12/07/2006, 10:56 PM
As for Santry, its a complicated issue as there is currently money going towards the stadium from a few councils and Clonliffe Harriers. There is still discussions going on about what will happen to Morton Stadium.
Higgins, it's not so complicated that you couldn't read Fingal Co. Council's statement on it - just cos Shelbourne don't release statements doesn't mean no-one else does.
FCC own Morton, they manage it and fund it, Clonliffe Harriers are the anchor tenants with guaranteed tenancy rights. They have those rights in return for turning the stadium over to FCC (which is one council, not "a few"). The most FCC will give you is a lease agreement. Someone else can give you the link, I can't be bothered.
The only complication is for you lot deciding whether long-term, you want to play second fiddle to Rovers in Tallaght or some bunch of pole-vaulters in Santry. Neither of which is gonna happen anytime soon.
higgins
12/07/2006, 11:09 PM
Are Fingal County Council the only Council putting money into Morton ?
Dublin City, Fingal County and South County was what I called a few.
It might come as a surprise to you but all we had on Tolka was a lease too.
If I was in the hot seat at Tolka I'd do 101 things different but I'm not.
Dodge
12/07/2006, 11:11 PM
Or they could play second fiddle to Pats.
Or try building their own place
hoops1
13/07/2006, 11:04 AM
Is this the sweetner for relegating UCD?
Schumi
13/07/2006, 11:44 AM
Do the FAI have any input into how these grants are allocated or do the clubs just apply directly to the government?
hoops1
13/07/2006, 11:45 AM
Im not sure but they have a very close working relationship
Dodge
13/07/2006, 11:50 AM
Do the FAI have any input into how these grants are allocated or do the clubs just apply directly to the government?
FAI basically decide who gets them AFAIK. D/Sport just check the legalities of it (Tax compliant, Planning permission, etc)
BohDiddley
13/07/2006, 11:57 AM
Why? Do you still subscribe to the theory that we're funded by the college?
I don't know to what extent you are funded by the college. Are you saying that your association with the college brings you no benefit, direct or indirect, apart from the tens of undergraduates that flock to UCD games? If you are saying that UCD do not benefit from the likes of eased facility overheads and player incentives, I'm happy to accept that at face value.
But I still don't think that an outfit called after a college is a proper football club.
Dodge
13/07/2006, 12:08 PM
As opposed to a club named after a group of travellers?
pineapple stu
13/07/2006, 12:47 PM
Are you saying that your association with the college brings you no benefit, direct or indirect?
It does. But no more than any county council helps out most football clubs, I would imagine.
But I still don't think that an outfit called after a college is a proper football club.
Now that's just stupid. See Dodge's post.
What the hell are UCD, a bowl & €1,250,000 gonna do together?
If it were me, I'd be dividing the money by the cost of a six-pack in my head.
Seriously, though (other UCD fans who know it better, feel free to correct me), the college has decided that Belfield Park is to be knocked and built on. The college is selling off its outlying areas (e.g. Earlsfort Terrace, etc) and moving everything to campus. So they're getting a bit pressed for space. They've decided that there's no point having two separate grounds for rugby and football when they can move the two in together. This'd be in the Belfield Bowl out beside the Sports Centre. There's planning permission in for a ground to minimum UEFA Licencing standards (with possibilities to expand if necessary), with the hope of being open for next season, though that seems a bit close now. The permission is currently being held up by some aul biddy who apparently makes a habit of objecting to everything the college does.
The club had, a few years ago, designed a four-part plan to turn Belfield Park into a 4000 seater ground or so, with a 1200 seater cantilever stand on the hill, but obviously this had to be shelved once the college came up with its own plans.
It'll be interesting to see how the groundshare with the rugby team goes. On the one hand, it's a rugby pitch. On the other hand, the college do, in fairness to them, have a track record of building top-notch sporting facilities - viz the international hockey arena, the athletics track used for many senior events, the Sports Centre itself, etc. So hopefully it'll work out!
BrayUnknowns
13/07/2006, 12:53 PM
Whats a roumer?
That would be were we get €385,000 and not have to sell our ground to survive. Hope that clears it up for ya ?
BohsFans
13/07/2006, 1:24 PM
That would be were we get €385,000 and not have to sell our ground to survive. Hope that clears it up for ya ?
How could you sell your ground when you don't even own one, smart arse! :rolleyes:
BohDiddley
13/07/2006, 1:29 PM
Now that's just stupid. See Dodge's post.
You're right. It is stupid, which is why it brought a rather specious response from someone whose club is named after a Welsh bishop. You can call your club whatever you like.
What I should have said was that, for many, the presence of a college club is an indicator that the league isn't at a serious level. If football participation rates are maintained, there probably will soon be a case for a club to represent people around south (east) Dublin and to offer an alternative to rugger. I don't think a club that is essentially a sports and college administrators' wheeze is in a good position to achieve that.
bigmac
13/07/2006, 1:36 PM
top-notch sporting facilities - ............... the athletics track used for many senior events,
might have been top-notch when it was built but it's a disgrace now and even UCD athletes use Ringsend or Santry for training.
BrayUnknowns
13/07/2006, 1:50 PM
How could you sell your ground when you don't even own one, smart arse! :rolleyes:
Well we as good as own it in fairness, 50 year lease with option to extend was signed a few years back........
New stand in by the end of the summer, another one in next season at the bowling alley end and then the main stand to be totally redeveloped. It'll be a very tidy little ground when complete
BohDiddley
13/07/2006, 2:48 PM
That club already exists. Hint: it's the one that was based in south east dublin for 60 years and still draws most of its support from that area.
God (and St Patrick) forgive me, but I wish saying that SRFC draws most of its support from that area were the same as saying most people from that area support that club.
BohsFans
13/07/2006, 2:59 PM
Well we as good as own it in fairness, 50 year lease with option to extend was signed a few years back........
New stand in by the end of the summer, another one in next season at the bowling alley end and then the main stand to be totally redeveloped. It'll be a very tidy little ground when complete
Not really, Bray Wanderers will never realise the value of the asset, as they don't own it, simple as that. Whatever spin you put on it, you don't own it! :p
pineapple stu
13/07/2006, 5:42 PM
What I should have said was that, for many, the presence of a college club is an indicator that the league isn't at a serious level. If football participation rates are maintained, there probably will soon be a case for a club to represent people around south (east) Dublin and to offer an alternative to rugger. I don't think a club that is essentially a sports and college administrators' wheeze is in a good position to achieve that.
That post seems to be purely your blinkered view of UCD rather than a post based on any sort of fact or logic.
UCD aren't a college club in the strict sense of the word - we aren't limited to players on the CAO. We can sign who we want, and they don't have to be students.
There already is a club to represent the south east of Dublin. It's us. (And Rovers, if you want). Again, your view of the club as "essentially a sports and college administrators' wheeze" is in no way grounded in reality and doesn't colour the club's potential in the area.
Roverstillidie
13/07/2006, 9:16 PM
That post seems to be purely your blinkered view of UCD rather than a post based on any sort of fact or logic.
UCD aren't a college club in the strict sense of the word - we aren't limited to players on the CAO. We can sign who we want, and they don't have to be students.
There already is a club to represent the south east of Dublin. It's us. (And Rovers, if you want). Again, your view of the club as "essentially a sports and college administrators' wheeze" is in no way grounded in reality and doesn't colour the club's potential in the area.
no doubt you will build on this potential any day now!?!
so if you arent a college team, how do you pay the bills?
pineapple stu
13/07/2006, 9:36 PM
Same as everyone else. Fundraising. Black tie dinners, golf outings, sponsorship, Superleague, summer camps, etc.
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