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strangeirish
28/07/2006, 2:59 PM
I'd take Kimmage's word above any of the sports intellectuals on here spouting their non-existant expertise.
Who's claiming to be an expert?
I'd take Landis over ANY spanish cyclist as being honest. And I don't even care if he is.
BTW Kimmage's writings about cycling are more to do with his failure in the sport than any real credible evidence. The French paper L'Equipe used the same strategy when Armstong kept on destroying all their heroes. "The only reason he/they are beating us/me is they/he is using drugs" Bitter ****ing ****** (and **** journalist too)
ehm
didnt several teams face criminal proceedings in France/Italy
it was the civil authorities who busted a few dopers in the past
Oh and one more thing, the reason Landis could recover so well this year was the lack on control in the peleton. No team dominated like in previous years and he was allowed gain those 7 minutes. If CSC were any use, Pereiro would've won by 10-12 minutes
BTW Kimmage's writings about cycling are more to do with his failure in the sport than any real credible evidence. The French paper L'Equipe used the same strategy when Armstong kept on destroying all their heroes. "The only reason he/they are beating us/me is they/he is using drugs" Bitter ****ing ****** (and **** journalist too)
thats BS dodge
kimmage doesnt even write about cycling - he doesnt even watch it anymore
radio shows and all ask him to talk about it now with the fresh controversy cos of his background
cyclists do take a cocktail of stuff to keep goin.....same as Italian footballers
I believe in the US performance enhancing drugs have been moved up a few categories of drugs & can face 2 year jail term for supplying just like other recreational drugs. I think this aimed at hormones for body building & the like.
monutdfc
29/07/2006, 11:51 AM
If CSC were any use, Pereiro would've won by 10-12 minutes
CSC is Sastre's team, Pereiro rides for Caisse d'Epargne
Dodge
29/07/2006, 12:40 PM
thats BS dodge
kimmage doesnt even write about cycling - he doesnt even watch it anymore
How is it BS, He has written on cycling and it is IMO based largely on his failings.
What sort of prejudiced crap is that?:mad:
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Oh boy! So if some Spaniard cheats it's terrible, but if an American does it, well that's just OK.:rolleyes:
Read what I said again. IMO Landis is MORE LIKELY to be clean than any of the top Spanish cyclists. Its not prejudiced, its based on the fact that (both in real and percentage terms) more Spanish cyclists have been found guilty than any other nation. I don't care if landis is clean and I don't care if Periero or Sastre are clean. Makes not one bit of difference to my opinion of any of them or cycling in general.
ps good spot monutd, but you know what I meant ;)
Nicely out pedanting me (and thats a compliment BTW) but I stand by what I said
But cycling isn't a US sport, all the cyclists spend at least half the year in Europe. Either way, doesnt matter
And your position remains completely absurd given how widespread doping is in US sport and given how tolerant of drug use so many US sporting authorities are. In baseball they didn't even ban performance-enhancing drugs until 2002, and even now a first offence only gets you a 10 day ban, a second offence gets you 30 days, a third offence just 60 days, etc. Laughable in comparison to how seriously the Spanish take it, and yet the English-speaking world continues with their obnoxious superiority complex about how much more honest they are than all these cheating foreigners, the Spaniards, the French, the Portugese... Only today yet another American, Justin Gatlin, has admitted that he also failed a drugs test earlier this year.
spot on
dodge hasnt a clue when it comes to doping
head in the sand stuff
CollegeTillIDie
30/07/2006, 10:21 AM
The only ways for cycling to ever have credibility are the following a) revert to amateur status for a decade to purge the sport of drugs or b) give them all the same drug in the same dose and then at least have a level playing field.
sligoman
30/07/2006, 5:11 PM
Scanlon's had another poxy year for injuriesI know Mark Scanlon's ex, she says that his career is going down-hill. Although she may be slightly biased in her opinion of him now;) :D.
The Stars
31/07/2006, 5:21 PM
I know Mark Scanlon's ex, she says that his career is going down-hill. Although she may be slightly biased in her opinion of him now;) :D.
he has got back to winning ways with a stage win in some road race recently in Mayo,hardly the Tour but at least its a step in teh right direction.
If he can get a few seasons injury free,things might start happening for him again.
spot on
dodge hasnt a clue when it comes to doping
head in the sand stuff
LOL! How? Where have I said ANYWHERE that Landis wasn't on drugs? I've said he's less likely than the Spanish but nowhere did I say he was "clean"
kimmage doesnt even write about cycling - he doesnt even watch it anymore
Explains why he thought Landis' ride was a "miracle" rather than shíte tactics from other teams.
Whoever said the solution was to make cycling amateur to clean it, well it hasn't worked keeping local examples of supposed national sports "clean".
...dodge hasnt a clue when it comes to doping...Dunno about that. He's got more than a clue about acting a dope.
Dodge, do us a favour. If you don't want to appear as some small minded racist pr*ck, have a little decency and produce some evidence to back up your arguments.
...the English-speaking world continues with their obnoxious superiority complex about how much more honest they are than all these cheating foreigners, the Spaniards, the French, the Portugese...First drug cheat 'caught' at the Tour? Tom Simpson (Britain) whose speed riddled body collapsed on the slopes of Mount Ventoux in 1967.
NY Hoop
08/08/2006, 1:45 PM
Phonak have history though. The 1998 World Champion Oscar Camenzind retired after giving a positive dope test. They had a clear out of staff last year but doenst seem to have worked.
How credible are Landis' excuses now?:
Landis fires back at cycling hierachy
By Sal Ruibal, USA TODAY
Embattled Tour de France champion Floyd Landis says he's been treated unfairly by cycling's international governing body and can't properly defend himself against charges he used illegal doping products to win the race.
In his first interview after his second, or "B" urine sample was reported Saturday to be positive for synthetic testosterone and an out-of-limits testosterone-to-epitestosterone level, Landis lashed out at officials of the Union Cycliste Internationale (UCI) and the World Anti-Doping Agency for giving information on his case to the media while not providing him with reports on his test results.
The results of his initial test were made public July 27.
"I just got the information on the 'A' sample a day and half ago," he said. "I had to find out about the 'B' from reading it in the media."
Landis also pointed out that American sprinter Justin Gatlin's positive "A" test for an illegal testosterone ratio was not announced by track and field officials for three months, "while I had only two days to react to mine. (UCI head) Pat McQuaid said he had to release mine before the lab leaked it."
He also pointed out that his remarkable comeback performance on Stage 17 — the stage where his positive tests came from — was not an anomaly, but his doping tests were.
"I put in more than 20,000 kilometers of training for the Tour. I won the Tour of California, Paris-Nice and the Tour de Georgia. I was tested eight times at the Tour (de France); four times before that stage and three times after, including three blood tests. Only one came back positive.
"Nobody in their right mind would take testosterone just once; it doesn't work that way."
The 30-year-old racer says the biggest mistake he did make was responding to media reports as they surfaced, giving the impression he was coming up with new excuses daily.
"I've been catching a lot of grief in the press: 'Floyd has a new excuse, a new reason for what happened.' This is a situation where I'm forced to defend myself in the media. It would never have happened if UCI and WADA had followed their own rules," Landis said.
"There's some kind of agenda there," he said wearily. "I just don't know what it is."
Describing himself as "reasonable and logical," Landis refuses to see himself as a victim in the case and says there's "zero chance" someone from his Phonak team either inadvertently or purposely gave him synthetic testosterone.
Landis will undergo hip replacement surgery in about two weeks, then prepare for a hearing before the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency sometime in the next month. He has not received notice from USADA.
"Something bad happened to me," he says, "but bicycle racing is the most beautiful sport in the world. I want to remain part of it."
He longs to ride his bike but says that is impossible because of the media crush around his home.
"I need to (ride), believe me," he said. "That will be the best day of the week if that happens."
KOH
dahamsta
10/08/2006, 6:36 AM
Dunno about that. He's got more than a clue about acting a dope.
Dodge, do us a favour. If you don't want to appear as some small minded racist pr*ck, have a little decency and produce some evidence to back up your arguments. Banned for a week for personal abuse. Around long enough to know better.
Didn't see that post.
To answer it do a google search for banned cyclists and see how many are spanish.
dahamsta
14/08/2006, 1:36 PM
totalfootball, please drop the prejudice claim, it's totally over the top for what was actually said, given that Dodge has explained what he meant. Also please stop playing the "bad moderator" card, Dodge isn't moderating this thread (yet), he's just posting in it; moderators have opinions too.
Dodge, do me a favour and either post a few links backing up what you said, or move on please?
adam
dahamsta
14/08/2006, 2:11 PM
I've asked Dodge to post some links to back up his claim or drop it. I don't expect an instant response. I would expect you to wait a reasonable amount of time, like a civilised person, and not rant at me like a lunatic.
adam
osarusan
14/08/2006, 2:27 PM
I have not been ranting at you like a 'lunatic'. I was responding to your post, the first part of which was addressed to me. I only responded to the parts addressed to me.
I thought personal insults were banned on this board. Your behaviour is disgraceful.
Playing with fire here mate.
dahamsta
14/08/2006, 2:43 PM
I have not been ranting at you like a 'lunatic'. I was responding to your post, the first part of which was addressed to me. I only responded to the parts addressed to me.Read the second part of the post then, where I asked Dodge to respond to your post. And have a bit of patience.
I thought personal insults were banned on this board. Your behaviour is disgraceful.That's not a personal insult, it's a statement: your behaviour is ridiculous and unacceptable. Now calm down and stop ranting.
adam
FFS you get one busy monday in work...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Puerto
And the links at the bottom of that page
Full coverage of Operation Puerto from cycling news (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/puerto_complete)
More reading
The Perfect Storm (http://www.eurosport.com/cycling/tour-de-france/2006/sport_sto917229.shtml) - Eurosport
Include's timeline of recent drugs scandals/developments in cycling
Spanish scandal not limited to cycling (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/cycling/2006-07-02-doping-focus_x.htm) - USA Today
Inside the Blood Doping Investigation (http://www.ergogenics.org/414.html) Ergogenics.org
"For years Spain has been considered a paradise for athletes open to doping..."
Doctor in Cycling Probe denies charges (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2006/07/06/sports/s041144D24.DTL&type=health ) AP report in San Francisco Chronicle - available elsewhere too
Spanish cycling official has long had doubts (http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/10150.0.html)Velonews
"The police operation was necessary. We had gone astray in anti-doping issues in Spain"
And for the record I never once claimed Landis was clean. I responded to "I hope Landis is exposed as the cheat he is and the Tour is given to the deserved winner Periero." posted by finlma with my line that Landis is more likely to be clean than any of the Spanish cyclists. The point of that line was to show how ridiculous finlma's OTT "deserved winner" claim, as noether he, nor anyone else can be 100% certain Periero wasn't on drugs. Once again, for the record, I don't care who/who does not take drugs in cycling.
Lopez popped in because he thought I was having a go at the Spanish people (totally incorrect) and totalfootball got so far up his own arse he start taking offence at everything. I'm not predjudiced againt Spanish cycling BUT more spanish cyclists have been banned for drugs offences than anyone else. The majority of other nationalities have been with Spanish teams. Not all spanish cyclists obviously (and that comment was obviously throwaway but it seems some people have no common sense here). Take that as a personal insult if you want.
I'm now leaving the thread, couldn't care less what you think of that or me. If anyone wants to talk to me about cycling or drugs in sport, PM me. If you're not thick I'll respond
dahamsta
14/08/2006, 3:27 PM
Honest to god. I asked you to stop because I wanted Dodge to reply, how can you not get this? Is your entire purpose in life railing against some bizarre perception that everyone is out to get you?
Dodge has responded now, either get back on topic or find another website to post on. If you insist on continuing with this tirade, you won't be able to post on Foot.ie any more.
And finally: I provide this site as a service to the community, for free. I'll say what I damned well please.
adam
dahamsta
14/08/2006, 4:05 PM
Sorry, I don't have a "deactivate" button. Try this innovative approach: go away.
The Stars
14/08/2006, 7:55 PM
so...the tour was good.....:)
FFS you get one busy monday in work...
Too many civil servant jokes. :D :D :D
Dodge
15/08/2006, 10:31 AM
I'm not a civil servant anymore
I'm not a civil servant anymore
All makes sense now. :D :cool:
...totalfootball got so far up his own arse...Pot and kettle anyone?
Apologies for the delay in replying, but as you know, I've been banned for a week. Thanks for the links. Well the later ones anyway. Typing in Google as suggested just kept giving me articles about Landis, which I doubt was your intention. Anyway, they do, as you rightly suggest, do nothing to back up your blanket argument. Taking this logic, God help Ireland if it ever gets another gold medal at the olympics. With 100% of its medalists from the past decade involved in some sort of drugs scandal, no doubt we should always feel that whoever came second was the true winner.
With 100% of its medalists from the past decade involved in some sort of drugs scandal, no doubt we should always feel that whoever came second was the true winner.
If you read again, you'll find this is exactly the thing I'm trying to say is not true...
SaucyJack
17/08/2006, 4:47 PM
Landis's father committed suicide several days back, shot himself in the head, guess it all got to him, was 57 yrs old.
WeAreRovers
17/08/2006, 4:55 PM
Landis's father committed suicide several days back, shot himself in the head, guess it all got to him, was 57 yrs old.
Father-in-law.
http://www.playfuls.com/news_00000002293_Father_in_law_Of_Disgraced_Rider_ Landis_Commits_Suicide_.html
KOH
Billsthoughts
18/08/2006, 1:13 PM
so...the tour was good.....:)
yeah
it was a feckin great tour.
couple of class mountain stages. open race. no real favourites.
very good. only thing was TG4 live commentry sounded like(and in fairness probably was) it was coming from a broomcupboard in galway.I dont expect them to fork out to send guys there but did they have to turn crowd noise down totally.
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