A Tale of Two Coaches: Kerr v Pekerman

[mypost]

I think that the main reason why our underage superstars did not develop into future senior internationals was that they were being shipped off to England at the earliest opportunity because the LoI is not up to standard. It would have been far better if the players were able to make sufficient progress playing in Ireland but that would have damaged the players development. Many of the players obviously did not have the drive and determination to make it to the top.

Just as well then, that Kevin Doyle didn't listen to that negativity.

[DmanDmythDledge]

And what age was Doyle when he moved to England? 21. The age I said players should leave Ireland. But of course you didn't inlcude that part of my post.

[pineapple stu]

israel never had an unbeaten record in israel like that. in 99 they even got hammered 5-0 by denmark in isreal in the euro 2000 qualifying play off
Lost 2-1 to Spain in the same series. Their full record's on rsssf.com. Suffered their share of friendly defeats too, all in Israel.

[pineapple stu]

I'm still waiting for wws to answer this important question - should we shoot Delaney gangland-style or execution-style?
My advice would be to listen to his heart...

[pineapple stu]

The answer is that Alex now plays for Japan!
Adriano was top scorer.

(Apologies for the triple-post!)

[Dodge]

Was that him? Thought it was someone different altogether... (defo not the Japanese international)

[tetsujin1979]

According to his wikipedia profile, he's playing in Turkey. As far as I know, the Japanese Alex is living and playing in Japan. One of the commentators mentioned that he moved there as a kid and speaks the language fluently

[Dodge]

Adailton was top scorer in 1997, not Alex. And Adriano (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adriano_Leite_Ribeiro) definitely wasn't in that squad as he'd have been 15 at the time. He played in the 2001 version

[drinkfeckarse]

5 points to whoever can tell me what happened that Brazilian top scorer

Did he not go on to play in Germany for someone??

[pineapple stu]

Adailton was top scorer in 1997, not Alex. And Adriano (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adriano_Leite_Ribeiro) definitely wasn't in that squad as he'd have been 15 at the time. He played in the 2001 version
Sorry - damn Brazilian names can be so similar at times!

So what happened him? And any takers for the three UCD players in the squad?

[bluemovie]

Did he not go on to play in Germany for someone??

Are you thinking of Ailton - the barrel-chested striker that was one of the top scorers in the Bundesliga with Werder Bremen a few years ago...possibly moved to Turkey (?).

I googled Adailton. Think this would be the guy given his date of birth (1977):

(from sambafoot.com)

Details.
Full name Adailton Martins Bolzan
Birth The 24.01.1977
In Santiago
Height 173
Weight 70
Current club Hellas Verona
Position Forward

Career
Clubs 1995-1996: Juventude-RS
1997: Guarani-SP
1997-1998: Parma - Italy
1998-1999: Paris SG - France
1999: Hellas Verona - Italy

Club titles French Cup: 1998
French League Cup: 1998
French Champions Trophy: 1998

[Dodge]

Cheers bluemovie

[geysir]

I cannot remember going all the way back to John Giles of so many Irish players lambasting an Irish manager. Kerr was not up to the job. He lost the dressing room. He has not been appointed an ANY other club or country since being sacked. What happened to the South Africa job which according to Kerr's mates in the media he had already been offered?..The India job?..The mysterious Champions league team which for some reason had to remain "unnamed!
I don't remember any player lambasting Kerr. There might have been some reading between the lines. I thought the players spoke well of Kerr and were carefull enough to blame themselves.

[tetsujin1979]

I don't remember any player lambasting Kerr. There might have been some reading between the lines. I thought the players spoke well of Kerr and were carefull enough to blame themselves.
Maybe while he was manager, after all no player is going to p!ss off a manager with places at stake. But I seem to remember Richard Dunne having a few comments after Kerr left the job.

[drinkfeckarse]

Are you thinking of Ailton


I probably was to be fair although when I see that Adailton played for Parma it kinda rings a bell too...no matter anyway.

[DmanDmythDledge]

And any takers for the three UCD players in the squad?
Aidan Lynch definitely. Dessie Baker? Alan Kirby?

[pineapple stu]

Not Alan Kirby. Paul Whelan - the sub keeper - joined us during 2004. Never actually played though. Dessie Baker played once for us.

[stojkovic]

Five of that French squad (1997) are playing tonight - Sagnol, Henry, Trezequet, Sylvestre, Gallas. There is also FIVE Argentinians as someone has already pointed out - Riquelme, Aimar, Cambiasso etc. I thought Saviola and Sorin also but that must have been the class of 1999 who also won it I believe.

My point is that if we were there we would only have Duffer in the squad. Also England only have Owen and Carragher. Can we read into this the state of football on these Islands.

[Dodge]

we read into this the state of football on these Islands.
It should be noted that none of Brazil's team are involved. It should also be noted how tiny a contry we are compared to them

Oh and that the FAI doesn't care about football

[Billsthoughts]

Oh and that the FAI doesn't care about football
I am not too sure if that would justify shooting them as some people have advocated!
Glen Crowe scored in the 3/4 place play off against Ghana.
I dont think Aidan Lynch featured much at all as he was on crutches.
Looking at the teams in the World Cup Ireland just didnt have the players good enough to qualify no matter who was the manager.

[pineapple stu]

Glen Crowe scored in the 3/4 place play off against Ghana.
I dont think Aidan Lynch featured much at all as he was on crutches.

Wrong on both counts (you really should learn to trust me here!! ;))

Can't find a link anywhere on the aul internet, but have the game on video at home and can assure you that Duff and Dessie Baker scored, with Aidan Lynch ending the match on crutches. He was the only player not to have played a game up to that stage.

[Billsthoughts]

I dont trust you.......
However its all coming back to me now so I stand corrected. apologies.

[nedder]

looks like Pekerman and Kerr were swopping notes on defending 1-0 leads....

Pekerman has now stepped down

[Stuttgart88]

looks like Pekerman and Kerr were swopping notes on defending 1-0 leads....
Was thinking the same myself. In their friendly defeat to England Pekerman took off Crespo & Riquelme & lost from a winning position. Same thing again in Berlin. Unbelievable.

[FarBeag]

Inexcusable mistake. How could he think that they could protect a one nil lead against the Germans in their own backyard.Its an absolute disaster that a team full of so much talent and entertainment go out of the world cup prematurly.He had to go, I don’t think even Kerr could have made such a Fcuk up.

[eirebhoy]

Pekerman through that game away. Terrible substitutions.

[CollegeTillIDie]

its really down to the football culture you aspire to

we've gone for short sighted adulation of the failed football across the water

we needed a coach to ingrain a new brand of professional thinking and attitude - if that tooke two or three failed campaigns it would be worth it (mindful of the fact that pretty much everyone agrees we're deficient in squad terms of world class players to work with for the last few years)

anyone who has watched the great football of teams in this world cup knows that deep down we're not even aspiring to that level with our actions to date

wws

You are spot on with your first point. But it's going to take 50 years to fix that. We follow slavishly the English way of doing things. All their training for decades has been based primarily on physical fitness, with technical ability an afterthought. Even the GAA have caught this particular disease with almost nobody in the game of Gaelic football being able to kick a ball accurately! Anglo-centric football produces players who have great engines but cannot pass to a team-mate. This inability to retain possession is the root of all that is wrong with football in these parts and it is no surprise that the most recent European Champions League winning side from England was coached by a Spaniard.

As regards when we are going to qualify again I would like to remind you all of what happened to our neighbours North of the border. Quarter-finalists in 1958 they didn't qualify again until 1982. Did well there made 1986 and haven't made it since.

We made it in 1990 and 1994 missed out on 1998 and got there again in 2002. On this occasion it could take longer to get back given we are currently 4th seeds. We could be looking at least at a 16 year interval between World Cups down here this time around.

[NeilMcD]

Pekerman through that game away with a defensiveness that seems to a charactersitic of coaches like Kerr, Houllier and Pekerman.

[eirebhoy]

Pekerman through that game away with a defensiveness that seems to a charactersitic of coaches like Kerr, Houllier and Pekerman.
Sven GE is probably the worst offender. :)

[NeilMcD]

Lippi got what he deserved last night in the same way that Erikson and Pekerman and I hate to say it Kerr got too.

I am a firm believer in that fortune favours the brave and fair play to Lippi last night.