The Wind That Shakes The Barley

[joeSoap]

You're welcome

[Passive]

I really liked the film and I thought the acting was superb throughout, especially from Cillian Murphy. The actors did very well in some of the more difficult scenes, such as the one where the entire Flying Column is in a room debating the treaty.

As BohsPartisan said, I thought it overdid the socialist perspective of the anti-treaty side. Anyone who didn't know Irish history would think the Civil War was about economic ideology. But I suppose that Loach for you.

[sligobhoy67]

I really liked the film and I thought the acting was superb throughout, especially from Cillian Murphy. The actors did very well in some of the more difficult scenes, such as the one where the entire Flying Column is in a room debating the treaty.

As BohsPartisan said, I thought it overdid the socialist perspective of the anti-treaty side. Anyone who didn't know Irish history would think the Civil War was about economic ideology. But I suppose that Loach for you.
Like I said Loach drinks commie juice for breakfast and over played the Connolly/Larkin legacy - but I think he tried to get every (possibly too many) perspectives into the film


It was a half-hour too long, the standard 90mins would have been just right. King Kong was guilty of the same type of overreaching.

adam
I agree, plus he didnt really develop the brother relationship/dynamic until too late into the film imo

[BohsPartisan]

Commie juice is nice.

[sligobhoy67]

Commie juice is nice.

nah, too many root vegatables in it for my taste

[bennocelt]

Been pretty heavily criticised not for its political content but for just being quite a poor film especially in USA.

saw the movie ,,, great stuff, another top movie from Ken Loach,
movie isnt about action packed scenes, it has a very important topic to tell us, treaty versus anti- treay, fight for what you have or fight to the end, good stuff

americans wouldnt like it casue they might have to actually think for a change
maybe Superman or some toehr american trash would suit them better

[bennocelt]

explained as

I heard Loach in an Rte interview say that he would not have known what side to take in the Civil War as both sides had valid arguments. He put the responsibility of the war on the terms of the treaty, not near enough for one extreme and just about enough for the other. I'm looking forward to seeing it.

thats pretty much the movie itself? the question of which side would you join if you were there yourself, he gives both sides, but leans for the anti treaty guys
also cillian murphy is awesome

[bennocelt]

No I didn't. It's a turd.


you have to be kidding right?
kes is an alltime classic

[sligobhoy67]

you have to be kidding right?
kes is an alltime classic

I second that!

[Superhoops]

you have to be kidding right?
kes is an alltime classic
Agree wholeheartedly.

Not a Hollywood blockbuster but a brilliant documentary style commentary and insight into a youngster's attempt to escape from the dridgery of the typical North of England social environment of the time.

Great acting by David Bradley, who played the young boy and Colin Welland who played the school teacher.

Loach is a cinematographic genius who films focus on struggles, strife and adversity and are shot in a way that people can relate to in real life.

[Dr.Nightdub]

Haven't seen it yet myself, but my folks (both in their 70s) have and my mum made an interesting point.

She grew up in west Cork, had an uncle at the Kilmichael ambush and all that, but until she saw the film she never really understood that much about atrocities committed against the anti-Treaty side. Her parents were pro-Treaty so when she was growing up, just exactly HOW they won the civil war would've just been glossed over. It's the old story about how the winning side gets to write history.

[WeAreRovers]

Haven't seen it yet myself, but my folks (both in their 70s) have and my mum made an interesting point.

She grew up in west Cork, had an uncle at the Kilmichael ambush and all that, but until she saw the film she never really understood that much about atrocities committed against the anti-Treaty side. Her parents were pro-Treaty so when she was growing up, just exactly HOW they won the civil war would've just been glossed over. It's the old story about how the winning side gets to write history.

So you're a Blueshirt? Must be a family tradition...picking the wrong side to support. ;)

KOH

[Real ale Madrid]

I thought there was great emotion in the "chicken coop" scene. I'd imagine most people with a rural background would know of such folk who aren't the most emotionally articulate...hence I thought it was well acted. Viewers were probably laughing at this scene as it made them feel uncomfortable.

Spot on. I must admit i saw it last saturday night and you could have heard a pin drop during that scene. No-one laughed or even coughed. It was an eerie moment.

All in all a great film. One of the things i also liked that has not been mentioned in this thread is the attension to detail in all the sets used. From the chicken coups, yards, houses, to the kitchens and even the cutlery and pint glasses - all highly authentic. Added to the film greatly all that being correct.

[Dr.Nightdub]

So you're a Blueshirt? Must be a family tradition...picking the wrong side to support. ;)

Nice try, but you're forgetting that my da's from Belfast and that nordies have a handy rule of thumb when it comes to mixed marraiges - boys follow the father, girls follow the mother. There were no girls in our family. ;)

PS (about three hours later): Just been talking to my folks who were visiting a friend who lives near Worcester, scene of the final, decisive battle in the English Civil War. They stayed in some lovely old restored 17th century country house hotel. The manager, without any hint of malice or irony, put them in the Oliver Cromwell Suite. In response, my da's first inclination was to burn the lovely old country house to the ground. I think the film left a big impression on him! :D

[BohsPartisan]

Cromwells biggest mistake - He didn't finish off the job at Drogheda!!

:D

[Littlest Hobo]

Cromwells biggest mistake - He didn't finish off the job at Drogheda!!

:D

Come again padre...did I think I heard what you were sayin:confused:

[thomas]

From What ive Heard about it it parrallels britains occupation of Iraq and shows the devaluation of the lives off the occupied peoples in the eyes of the occupation forces

Is that the colonial era occupation (and general slaughter of civilians) or the current occupation of Iraq (or ireland)?

[thomas]

Come again padre...did I think I heard what you were sayin:confused:

I would think he means that the smasing of catholicism would have been a good thing.

[BohsPartisan]

You know were an orange club right? :D
(The smilie indicates I was joking yo)
:rolleyes:
Though I agree Catholicism could do with a good smashing. :p