3 Questions [Archive]

LFC Blue

25/03/2006, 6:43 PM

gael353

25/03/2006, 10:56 PM

3 questions lads.
1. Is the Lease signed and if so when will development work begin on HP?
2. Has Dolan signed on in an official capacity?? He was at last nights game and gave a positive interview on Live 95fm this morning.
3. What car park security have the club for home games. I parked my new car behind Tesco last night in that fairly quite and isolated car park with about 3 or 4 other cars. There was no sign of any security men whatsoever which wasn't too reassuring. Is there cameras back there?

I'd appreciate any help on these issues. Cheers lads

A No the lease is not signed so therefore no real development work can commence. Some work has been done up there as you may have noticed last night, its been expensive and could leed to nothing if young doesnt sign. Hes promised (on radio) he will but still goes missing when hes needed to sign.

B Dolan IMO would like to come on board but hes not going to unless question A is dealt with. He wont want to join a sinking/rudderless ship. Also sponsors wont come on board long term, if the lease isnt signed. Dolan, sponsors everything is dependant on Young signing.
C Yes there are cameras there and yes if you arrive early you can park as a shopper can in front of tescos main doors in full view of their security. Again do not park near the steering wheel or statoil.

JohnD

27/03/2006, 9:52 AM

Agree with u magicme, The Security guys we seem to have are proof of Darwin's theory of evolution, evidence that is of stone age man still in existence.

I heard also about the Dressing room incident It just further enforces my views that Hogan Pk is a KIP and we need to get out of there asap.I thought the Ground looked shabby, Run down and Pitch , especially the Goal areas, terrible

Good win for us but we could have lost it by not taking our chances. A better team would have punished us badly.

All the best
JohnD

see's it

27/03/2006, 10:55 AM

what happened with the dressing rooms?

sadloserkid

27/03/2006, 11:32 AM

what happened with the dressing rooms?

Some guy got caught having rifled through the players stuff in the dressing rooms is what I heard.

Lim till i die

27/03/2006, 12:02 PM

The other robbery that occured was us being robbed of a penalty.

My god that liitle scumbag was up to everything, is their NO JUSTICE in the world???? :eek: :D

gael353

27/03/2006, 11:13 PM

I have to say I was shocked and how badly organised the game was the other nite. They were really strict on letting myself, my mate and my kids park in the ground, even tho my mate and I are Monaghan United Club Officials.....yet security wasnt so tight just b4 half time when the dressingrooms were being robbed.

Friday nite was the worst nite I have endured in Limerick...even beats my flat tyre last year.

well the fact that the intruder got into the HOME dressing room and the HOME dressing room alone was an unfortunate incident. He was cought (by the players) and the items on him were recovered. Hes a well known crimianal and was arrested by the gards at the scene. He had previously robbed a jeep and some handbags earlier that day. He also gained atmittence to the ground by climbing the perimeter wall.

Yea i agree they are stict on letting people park in the ground and rightly so as there is no parking for public in the ground. This is the same as in many other EL grounds.

gael353

27/03/2006, 11:30 PM

Fair enough but when I had stated who I was I think that we should have been left alone then. We were told were to park which we did...only to be moved bout 10 mins later and someone else parked there....not really moaning, just wasnt too happy with a lot of little things on Friday.

Thats fair enough and me for one, always glad to see you and the rest of the Monaghan lads make the journey. The club too weren't happy about things the other night. PPL whinging for having to que for tickets, whinging for the hot water running out in the tea shop, a fly tipper who dumped a ton of rubbish around the entrence hours before kick off. But the rain was the biggest problem and belive it or not it hasnt stopped raining since last Wed hence the game tonight being called off. Look forward to seeing you all soon.

Kerry Blue

28/03/2006, 4:02 AM

Well u know u r always welcome in Monaghan. If u ever need help with accommodation let me know. Monaghan is a fun place to go out partying in!
Is that invite for Gael only?:D

Magicme

28/03/2006, 2:35 PM

Not at all....the more the merrier.....the hotels in Monaghan love having football fans stay!

LFC in Exile

28/03/2006, 3:51 PM

Not at all....the more the merrier.....the hotels in Monaghan love having football fans stay!

The hotels in Monaghan love having anyone stay! :) Isn't that right Norman? :)

Magicme

28/03/2006, 4:38 PM

Ha ha....well I think hotels everywhere generally like having people stay or they go out of business!

Magicme

01/04/2006, 11:40 AM

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

The openout kid

03/04/2006, 5:07 PM

Guys, It's the same old story with Limerick F.C. Nobody knows whats happening with the club from one day to the next! I went to most of the home games last year and a few away and at the beginning of the season there was a real oppertuinity to take advantage of the upturn in interest from the public when Danny Drew & his "Consortium" took over. but once people got into HP and saw things the way they were the interest and hope for the season disappeared. From what I here, from the first game of the season up there things have gotten worse. Why would a player go out and try his hardest for the club when he looks around and see's the dump that is hogan park and is supposed to call it his "Home" ground. It's been over a year since the boys took over and things still remain the same!!!!!!At this stage u would wonder would they be better off calling it a day and put the dog out of its misery!!!!

4tothefloor

03/04/2006, 7:37 PM

It's the same because Danny Drew isn't a fool and is not going to throw money in to a ground that he has no guarantee of still calling 'home' in 3/4 years time. There will be no development at all at Hogan Park until the lease is signed, and it's not Drew who is delaying this. Drew has done as much as what can be done at Hogan Park until a long-term lease is signed. In other words, he has spent enough money on it already, money that he won't get back if he has to walk away from the place and find Limerick another home.

Personally, I think Hogan Park is a sh!thole. So is the surrounding area/areas. No offence to anyone who may be from these areas, but lets call a spade a spade. I hate parking my car anywhere in this area, even at Tesco, because there's a very good chance that it will either be robbed/vandalised/broken in to. I have seen it happen to enough cars down the years. The area where the ground is situated is a huge problem, because ask anyone, even the regular fans, nobody likes going to games there. The whole experience is just not comfortable. This is partly why Drew organised buses to home games, because he knows that people are reluctant to drive/walk to the ground themselves. Which tells its own story.........As far as I'm concerned, a longterm lease for Hogan Park won't be Limerick FC's saviour, it'll be the death of the club. The club will be tormented by vandelism and scumbags if it chooses to stay there.

The best thing that Danny Drew could do is look for a greenfield site on the outskirts of the city, and start from scratch. Somewhere that's accesible so that buses can run there, and provide secure parking for fans. Easier said than done, but a better bet than spending money on a ground that holds no appeal for fans, even the die hards.

gael353

03/04/2006, 11:47 PM

Drew has done as much as what can be done at Hogan Park until a long-term lease is signed. In other words, he has spent enough money on it already, money that he won't get back if he has to walk away from the place and find Limerick another home.

Good point and one that im glad someone other then myself has been proclaiming for the last few weeks. The ground is the cleanest and tidiest ground in the EL, fact. Due to the efforts of a very small number of people. Three games in the next week and lets hope the blues supporters come out and cheer on the lads. Try and promote your club to the best of your ability in your workplace, shop or pub and come early to avoid missing any of the action.

lim abroad

04/04/2006, 4:34 AM

can't really see too many people forking out 12 euro 3 times in a week to watch us but i hope i'm wrong

gael353

04/04/2006, 7:59 AM

Just a few other prices in our area. To attend a cinema costs between �8:50/9:50, Bunratty folk park �13:00, King Johns Castle �9, to PARK at the cliffs of moher car park, �8, to go to a **** night club, admission only...�12 +.A gaa league county game, amateur rem and the players arent being paid...terrace �10. To get into all our league games and under 21 games, maybe all 36 of them in total, �150..priceless!

Lim till i die

04/04/2006, 11:59 AM

Personally, I think Hogan Park is a sh!thole.

The club will be tormented by vandelism and scumbags if it chooses to stay there.

Easier said than done, but a better bet than spending money on a ground that holds no appeal for fans, even the die hards.

Maybe I'm the only one and maybe it's Because I live within two minutes of the place but I like our ground. It has a nice rough vibe about it and we could make it a very intimidating place if we got a crowd in, I'm pretty sure no one likes coming to play us there. Also a lot of people conveniently forget that even in the bad days in Rathbane (and the better days today) there has been a bread and butter support of 2-3 hundred coming to every game from the Carew Park/Southill/Weston/Rathbane area that I wouldn't be so dismissive of because its not fair.

We could move out to the North Circular Road to a ground with central heating and reclining chairs in the morning and do you think the nescafe Munster rugby set would suddenly rush to support us because you see its always been their dream to be die-hard Limerick F.C fans they were just a bit frightened of Hogan Park :confused:

Do you really want to be another Galway United soccerball club playing in a lovely, tidy, family friendly, souless hole??

I take your point about the vermin who keep vandalising and breaking into the ground. I think in the short term the club should just make sure nothing valuable is kept on sight and if we ever do get a lease then they could look into some proper security for the place :ball:

Lim till i die

04/04/2006, 12:05 PM

Bunratty folk park �13:00, King Johns Castle �9

Good Lord :eek: :eek: :eek:

Patrick Dunne

04/04/2006, 12:47 PM

JohnD

04/04/2006, 12:55 PM

If all the People who went to Landsdowne last Sat are "nescafe Munster rugby set" then We must drink a lot of Coffee in Limerick. :cool:

Munster Rugby is the most demographically even spread supported Sports team in the World. People from all walks of Life support their team.

Rathbane and its' Surrounding areas is a Sh**thole no other words to describe a place where you and your car are very likey to get done at any time. I agree with 4th to the fllor completely We will never be a success crowd wise and hence on the field until we move to greenfield site in an areas of town where People are not afraid to come to a match which is played in a dump. As for Terryland it's a a damn site nicer ground than RATbane !!

Lim till i die

04/04/2006, 12:56 PM

I wouldnt call Terryland soulless. Nothing wrong with being family friendly either. As an Eircom League supporter, Rathbane is one of the most unappealing grounds to visit in the EL, even though the genuine supporters of Limerick FC are always friendly.

I was waitin to see who would be first to pick up on it, fair play :p

I absolutely despise Terryland to be honest man, it's so dead and well... am, souless, I honestly can't think of a better word I'm afraid.

Wouldn't be against a family enclosure in any ground as long as it doesn't take up too much room....

As for it being unappealing for away fans and teams, well, no offence, but thats sort of my point :ball:

Also, thanks for your kind words about our support :p

osarusan

04/04/2006, 3:40 PM

osarusan

04/04/2006, 3:44 PM

And also, 12 euros is scandalous.

Even here in Japan, the most expensive country in the world, I can watch a professional J-League match for around 15 euros.

12 euros could turn out to be a false economy.

CraftyToePoke

04/04/2006, 5:04 PM

I think that one of the problems is Rathbane is unappealing to home fans as well as away.

Being unappealing to away fans because of the intimidating atmosphere and lage partisan following is great, but when even home fans feel in physical danger in and around the ground, that is going too far.

The reason away fans dont want to visit is not that they fear a drubbing by our players, but by some of the locals.

i would go along with that,by and large, although i live in england i do get home to see 2 or 3 games per season and as much as i look forward to seeing us play, i find myself wishing it wasnt at rathbane,my father makes most home games and will continue to do so despite his car being vandailsed last season but he does concede it does lessen his enjoyment of the game, constantly worrying about his car being safe.

I also know several of my friends who still live in limerick county, would like to go along and give L.O.I. soccer a chance but simply wont bring children and park a car in that area of town,and i cant really blame them.

i once brought my girlfriend from england to a game and i know she didnt feel safe,and as a consequence didnt really enjoy the game, the same woman has a season ticket at leicester city and will happily travel all over england with them.

as L.T.I.D. says, we cant isolate the core support, and i understend that, but if rathbane is to be developed to the extent required to make it appealing to all, it will take some doing, so maybe in these circumstances a green field site and a final solution to the problem is the better option long term for senior football in limerick.

Westside

04/04/2006, 5:37 PM

Looking for alternative site in or around Limerick City will be near next to impossible, any land on the outskirts of Limerick that becomes available will be snapped up by a developer or would be outbid be one anyway. Rathbane in its current state is not ideal, but looking at the recent developments in the last 6 months (ie.hotel being built opposite & apartments supposed to be built in that area to the left on the way into the ground) I would imagine the whole area being cleaned up in the future. Example who would have thought 20 years ago that the Dock Road area would have hotels(Clarion),restaurants and modern uppie stlye apartments. It was a ****hole in the eighties, and lookat it now.
Question to Gael (as he seems to be the only guy on here in the know) has DD looked into trying to get that area where Roxboro swimming pool was from the council. It would make a perfect carpark as it is a big wide open space, and it wouldn't take much to put an entrance in from that side of the ground. It would be ideal for supporters from the county who wouldn't need to drive through the city, may also be more secure. Just a thought..............

4tothefloor

04/04/2006, 7:26 PM

It would make a perfect carpark as it is a big wide open space, and it wouldn't take much to put an entrance in from that side of the ground. It would be ideal for supporters from the county who wouldn't need to drive through the city, may also be more secure. Just a thought..............

The ONLY solution really if Limerick are to stay at Hogan Park. The entrance to the ground has to be changed to the county side longterm. That would eradicate the need to

Go anywhere near the city side
Having to park in dodgy areas away from the ground
Having to walk a distance to the ground in dodgy areas
Just the feeling of intimidation that the sh!thole entrance gives would be gone

If we are to build a stand in the future it'd be better on that side anyway, if only for the simple reason that things keep getting vandalised/stolen/broken in to on the side that we currently enter through. Remember the merchandise robbery last season? Having said all that, Rathbane will never work IMO. It's a dead duck, a hole and will only continue to turn fans off. Unless Drew buys up land around the ground, ring fences it, builds a huge trench all the way around and finishes the whole thing off with barbed wire and hi-tech security, it's a waste of money. And by then with the cost he'd be half way to owning a greenfield site anyway.....

guvnor

04/04/2006, 10:35 PM

Been to a few games when i got a chance at H.P last season and saw potential for a big success with the increase in the number of fans etc. However, I agree with all the arguments that for the only way for LFC to push forward is to move away from the existing site. Not just because of the so called area but the ground itself leaves alot to be desired even after minimal development. My question is - when Limerick were playing up at Pike the previous year what was the average attendance? Did it attract the numbers people expect for a different location?? Especially "a safer location!" It is a pity the club is not able to develop a link with either UL or LIT to use either facility and develop it into a top level facility for an eircom lge club. Perhaps like UCD??

LFC in Exile

05/04/2006, 9:11 AM

I find the arguments for a greenfield site very strange indeed. Where would the club get a greenfield site? Even if money was not a problem, we are talking about somewhere outside of town. Then the shouts would all be about how far it is away from the city, and the problems of having to drive to the ground. And if we have the success we want and get 4,000 or 5,000 fans regularly and they all arrive in cars - well, talk about logistical nightmares.

Hogan Park imo has potential. The comments about being intimidated etc are well over the top. I have never once felt intimidated by anybody on my way to or from or within Hogan Park. The area around it is wasteland - or 'room to expand' if we want to look at it that way. Thankfully my car has never been interfered with (its not much of a car) and I can appreciate how frustrating that must be - but ask fans of Cork City, Bohs, Waterford, Shels, Galway etc if cars have been broken into while at matches.

I can see the point of moving access away from its current location - only for cosmetic purposes. There is a lot of hyperbole in this thread. Hogan Park is not as threatening a place as it has been protrayed and I think it is very unfair to residents of the area to suggest that fans "fear a drubbing by some of the locals", "didnt feel safe" or "are very (sic) likey to get done at any time". This has definitely not been my experience.

Whether the ground looks nice is another issue and one I wouldn't argue with but lets not get carried away.

Lim till i die

05/04/2006, 9:56 AM

If all the People who went to Landsdowne last Sat are "nescafe Munster rugby set" then We must drink a lot of Coffee in Limerick. :cool:

Munster Rugby is the most demographically even spread supported Sports team in the World. People from all walks of Life support their team.

Rathbane and its' Surrounding areas is a Sh**thole no other words to describe a place where you and your car are very likey to get done at any time.

Hook, line and the Inevitable :p

John if your going to deny there's an element of that kind of support following Munster, fine, thats your perogative. You'd be wrong though.......

You'll notice I didn't tar all munster fans with that brush but hey, why let it get in the way of a rant??

Most demographically even spread... Are you sure??

"You and your car are very likely to get done" Very Likely??? That's nonsense in fairness man. :eek:

Lim till i die

05/04/2006, 10:01 AM

JohnD

05/04/2006, 10:13 AM

FYI : rant (rănt)

v., rant�ed, rant�ing, rants.

v.intr.
To speak or write in a angry or violent manner; rave.

v.tr.
To utter or express with violence or extravagance: a dictator who ranted his vitriol onto a captive audience.

n.
Violent or extravagant speech or writing.
A speech or piece of writing that incites anger or violence: �The vast majority [of teenagers logged onto the Internet] did not encounter recipes for pipe bombs or deranged rants about white supremacy� (Daniel Okrent).
Chiefly British. Wild or uproarious merriment.
[Probably from obsolete Dutch ranten.]

I dont think my description of facts, which apparantly is shared by otheres on this board, fits into the Dictionary definition of the word RANT.
Rathbane and other areas aaround it have been the victim of bad Local government planning in the 50's but it does not still take from the fact that it is a DUMP. Cars,Club, were broken into last season on many occasions.I agree about the Car Park in the old Swimming pool area. This would help things but still think we will would be better off out of it. Oh and while we are on the subject of Rants.

...Sack the Butcher !!!:)

LFC in Exile

05/04/2006, 10:43 AM

Reminds of the joke about the guy who parked his car in Rathbane and asked a young fella nearby whether his car would be there when he got back. The young fella said "You can park it anywhere in Limerick and it will be there when you get back". :)

In fairness whether something is a rant or not is irrelevant. Talk about a straw man argument.

Cars are broken into at football matches everywhere. Is tehre any info about the number of cars affected? I heard about cars being broken into during rugby matches and Gaelic matches in Limerick. Mayorstone is obviously a hole as well. It happens because those that break into cars are opportunists and know that people parked near matches are likely to be away from their cars for 70 to 90 minutes at least.

The club was broken into once last season afaik. Hardly a crime spree. How often are shops down town broken into? When the pub was in operation how often was it broken into. And we know its demise was not at the hands of "locals".

There will be very little argument about the lack of facilities and terrible state of the ground - but lets not exaggerate (1 : to enlarge beyond bounds or the truth : OVERSTATE "a friend exaggerates a man's virtues" -- Joseph Addison;
2 : to enlarge or increase especially beyond the normal) problems that are not really there.

But even on my first point - what is the option? :ball:

gaidin

05/04/2006, 2:19 PM

I went to a lot of home games last year and will prob go this year although not happy with the 12euro entrance fee. But I have never felt threatened or uneasy going to the pitch. I always drive up and I am a little weary of parking up there.I normally leave the car across the road by the petrol station. But so far I have had no problems. I dont think the area is as threatening as some are making out.

4tothefloor

05/04/2006, 5:21 PM

The club was broken into once last season afaik. Hardly a crime spree. How often are shops down town broken into?

1. The club shop was broken in to and robbed
2. The ticket huts outside the ground were vandalised - thus the concrete ticket huts/holes this season
3. Cars were vandalised and robbed during games last year.

Already this season:
1. Scumbags sniffing around the ground and threathening to vandalise it unless.....
2. Players dressing room robbery foiled during first game of the season

And it's not going to get any better. If you go back to our last stint at Rathbane the club had the same problems with vandalism, break-ins, even arson attacks.

The club needs an official car park for an area like Rathbane. Cars being vandalised is not hyperbole, it's a fact! Relocating the entrance wouldn't be just a cosmetic move either. If you relocated the main entrance to the county side of the ground, car parks could be developed here at this side and maybe around the back of the shed end. It could be made mandatory that all cars enter by this side, and there would be no problems with traffic as there is motorway access to the county and Dooradoyle etc from this side. Don't under-estimate value of peace of mind for car owning supporters, especially when you own a nice car. Personally, I take the radio, cd's and anything valuable out of the car before I head to home games. Yet you still can't fully relax at the games because there is no peace of mind in parking the car at Roxboro S.C. etc. That's what turns the floating supporter off of going to games. Rathbane is a turn off, simple as that.

Regarding the wasteland around the ground, it'd be great if someone bought it and developed it for commercial/industrial purposes. Hopefully some small retail park or shopping mall could be built there. If Drew bought it there isn't a lot he could do with the land entering the ground, unless he went for training facilities or something along those lines.

I still think suggesting sharing Thomand Park is the best option. The ground is/will be ready made and there's little rugby there during the summer soccer season. Parking nearby in LIT. And the money we'd save could be used to buy quality players and build up the club to a strong financial position. Nice ground too!

LFC in Exile

06/04/2006, 8:15 AM

And the money we'd save could be used to buy quality players and build up the club to a strong financial position. Nice ground too!

What money would we save by paying rent to the Munster Branch for a 26,000 seater stadium?

Also, I agree that the cars issue might be a big one - the thing is I don't know and there is a big problem here with exaggeration. Cars are also broken into in Ballynanty and Killeely during Munster matches. Remember Limerick will be playing at night too. Parking in LIT - think for a second. LIT are going to allow people to use their facilities for car parking - there are no insurance issues for them - they'll just stump up.

Thomond Park is not a runner. We need our own ground. Whether or not that is Hogan Park is for debate absolutely - but what kind of a future do we have forking out for Thomond Park?

Also, there are other things raised in your post that again make me question whether this is just exaggeration. Like the arson attacks - afaik the arson attack that destroyed the clubhouse was not the actions of local disaffected youth. Of course there will be break-ins - but this is part of doing business. And my point was to keep things in perspective. Nobody believes that Thomond Park is intimidating even if it was the target for the most high profile vandal attack in recent years.

Lim till i die

06/04/2006, 10:57 AM

Rathbane and other areas aaround it have been the victim of bad Local government planning in the 50's but it does not still take from the fact that it is a DUMP.

Ya the ignorance of folk not from around there who assume "You and your car are very likely to get done at any time" while in the area doesn't really help matters either......

BTW John how likely do you class as "Very Likely"?? Say our average attendance last year was 600....

Is a 50% chance very likely which would mean 300 people "getting done" at every game??

25% would mean 150 people "getting done", is that classed as very likely??

10% would mean 60 people "getting done" at every game, is that very likely??

1% would mean 6 people "getting done", how about that??

Feel like retracting your ridiculous slur on the area in which I was born and raised yet?? :rolleyes:

I do of course bow like the prole I'm sure you feel I am before your patently superior grasp of the English language :rolleyes: Never went to school much you see I was too busy out "doing people" and their cars.....

JohnD

06/04/2006, 11:08 AM

No !!!

Fact is as Sec of the SC last year I had dealings with people whose cars were broken into whilst at the match

stats are great things all the same

Brucie

06/04/2006, 11:23 AM

Lim till i die

06/04/2006, 11:25 AM

No !!!

Fact is as Sec of the SC last year I had dealings with people whose cars were broken into whilst at the match

stats are great things all the same

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

LFC in Exile

06/04/2006, 11:59 AM

I think you protest too much "Lim till I Die" !!!

All the lads have benn saying is True :rolleyes: We will never get massive crowds there :

Parking brutal and yes, not Secure
Poor entrance to ground - dark and threatening
Awful facilities

need i Go on for more

All cars were secure at the Pike and nobody went. The entrance was lovely and bright and nobody went. There was a bar there and nobody went. Maybe nobody went because of the out-of-town location - which is my point about new greenfield sites!! Or else nobody went because we were so sh1te.

We don't get massive crowds in Hogan Park imo because we are a middle of the table first division club. Even at that we get better crowds than most other first division clubs currently. Even with taking your life in your hands going to matches and the raping and pillaging hordes of locals that sit in wait for poor Limerick fans on Friday nights.

IMO if Limerick are challenging for promotion at the end of the season crowds of 1,500 to 2,000 would be common place - even in Hogan Park. :ball:

Brucie

06/04/2006, 12:56 PM

All I say is true but agree with ya on the facts of the team. If we won alot of matches we would get better support...then again if we did not have a pi** poor manager that may be possible..

All people on this board are saying and, it is fair comment, that the Ground is not ideally located and in a state of disrepair, burgled often, Merchandise stolen, Cabins vandelised ...and cars broken into. These are facts gentlemn not HYBERBOLE!!!!

Stop denying reality

"raping and pillaging hordes " - would make the matches a bit more exciting maybe

LFC in Exile

06/04/2006, 1:27 PM

the Ground is not ideally located That is what we are debating - that's not a fact, that's an opinion.

and in a state of disrepair A blind dog with a mallet up his ar$e can see that - which is why it has never been disputed.

burgled often, Often? How often is often? I know of one break in where the merchandise was stolen last season. Also there was the guy that broke into the dressing room this season.

Merchandise stolen Yep, got that one - but isn't that making two points out of one?

...and cars broken into. Can you say how many? Is it more than are broken into at other sporting events in the city. I have mentioned this seven or eight times already but nobody has taken me up on it. I do not deny cars are broken into - but does the number of cars tampered with justify the comments made about the area.

These are facts gentlemn not HYBERBOLE!!!! While we seem to have different definitions of what a fact is - there are loads of examples earlier of hyperbole.

Stop denying reality I don't think I am denying reality. I am trying to figure out if the perception of problems matches the reality. I have never ever had any problem going to a game at Hogan Park. There is a danger here that people take a few incidents and create a perception that you are taking your life in your hands going to Hogan Park and that stops more people from going. Every other Friday a few hundred people drive to the match - how many have problems. I'm just looking for some perspective here.

Also, on a related note - I can think of no ground in the eL or any other Irish sport for that matter that provides a supervised car park. Do we know if the level of car vandalism at Limerick matches is greater than at any other eL or Irish sporting ground?

Brucie

06/04/2006, 1:34 PM

Ah yeah you know what you are right !!!. It the nicest part of town full of charming people...god Help us :confused: oh and very safe too for all manner of parking

fc hammer

06/04/2006, 4:41 PM

I take it your not from the south side of town!!!!!!!

Brucie

06/04/2006, 6:23 PM

County Man myself...btw what happened de Buses. They were great getting you in safely to the ground :( without running the gauntlet of the local boyz in de Hood:D

Car Parks is it you want :
Galway Utd - Supervised Car Park
Kilkenny City - also
Athlone in the new Groundwill have one
Dublin city- old pitch (Home Farm) Whitehall
Pike Rovers :rolleyes:

Anyway has de lease been signed as we hared weeks ago that is was all agreed if it is when is the fat boy coming ?

The openout kid

06/04/2006, 10:53 PM

How will pat Dolan be able to manage his Duties with Limerick- if he signs !! and his duties as one of RTE's foremost Experts on soccer. Will it work like stan Staunton and Bobby Robbo!!! Dream partnerships ehhh. Maybe if Dolan comes in He might send O'conner out of the clubhouse when its time to pick the team and talk tictaks!!!!!

gael353

06/04/2006, 11:00 PM

In my nineteen years supporting Limerick, most of which has been spent supporting them in Rathbane, I have never seen or heard of anyone being assaulted or coming into contact with harm done to them by some other! To suggest that this is an unsafe place is akin to an Irelands eye article of the mid seventies, warning its readers of the dangers of urban dwelling. When Limerick played in the markets field cars were broken into on a weekly basis, Munster have a 100 cars a game problem, Limerick have had a few, possible up to and beyond 6, in the time that I have been supporting them that I have heard about or seen. (I saw two on the night we got the floodlights)

So the idea that your car or indeed yourself could come into harm by attending a Limerick game is, quite frankly rubbish. To be honest I don�t know where this negativity about the ground is suddenly coming from. One minute everyone is jumping around the place in the hope that we can get a lease and develop the ground, the next thing a walk to the ground might result in vampires falling from the threes to suck your blood. Coming from an area not dissimilar to the Rathbane area I too would feel hurt by some of the comments posted in this thread.

To answer an earlier question, yes the idea of opening up the far side of the ground is high on the agenda should the lease be signed. And as one poster also pointed out if and when Rathbane (situated on a link road on the edge of the city) is developed, it would be far better then any green field site, in fact id say its better right now. Sone of the comments posted on this thread just leave me lost for words cos their so incorrect and so ill informed. Come on support your blues!

Westside

07/04/2006, 1:57 AM

Some of the comments posted on this thread just leave me lost for words cos their so incorrect and so ill informed. Come on support your blues! I'll second that, the amount of negativity from some people beggars belief, Hogan Park ****hole this and that, we need to move to a greenfield site........... WHERE even if they did find somewhere, there would still be someone moaning about that place also. Hogan Park has a lot of potential, and I do believe that in the future the whole area will be cleaned up, Jaysus I'm sure that the people involved in the new hotel accross the road had their research done before buying that site to build. If we can get access from where Roxboro Swimming Pool was,and use it as a car park/entrance(supervised), well at least it'll stop some people worrying about their car getting torched or otherwise, even though I have never witnessed any trouble in or around the ground myself. With all the negativity going around not one of the pessimists mentioned the work done in the ground this season (at the far side all round),it may not look much but I'd say it cost a few euro's and all out of DD'S pocket also , as no lease has been signed yet. My only critisism is that we have no website or an official voice to let us know the day to day happenings of the club, that is vital if we are to exist and increase a fan base at least............... everything should come together if and when Da Priest comes outta hiding.
We've only played 2 games, hopefully by next Sat, things will be looking rosier on the pitch at least with 3 home games coming up, the lease is a big thorn at the moment, and I don't think it's DD's fault, give the guy/club a break, Rome wasn't built in a day. As Trev, said Support your Blues