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pete
02/03/2006, 1:38 PM
BBC News (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4764826.stm)

So India develops a military nuclear policy without any international inspections. Then the US rewards them with economic assistance for nuclear energy policies in exchange for international inspections.

Contrast this with the threats imposed on Iran for meerly stopping exisiting international inspections.

Huge double standards?

hamish
02/03/2006, 3:13 PM
BBC News (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4764826.stm)

So India develops a military nuclear policy without any international inspections. Then the US rewards them with economic assistance for nuclear energy policies in exchange for international inspections.

Contrast this with the threats imposed on Iran for meerly stopping exisiting international inspections.

Huge double standards?

Yep, another example of The Bush Crime Family screwing up.

If Bush The Fool was Midas, he'd turn gold into sh!te.

Another Bubble Boy lie exposed.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/03/01.html#a7356

CollegeTillIDie
02/03/2006, 10:16 PM
To explain the dilemma of the this particular aspect of American Foreign policy...well it's like this it's a balance of MAD thing. That is Mutually Assured Destruction to the uninitiated. If you have two allies in Asia, as the USA do, called India and Pakistan who hate each other, you need to keep both of them onside and not play favourites. So that means if one of the two has a big stick.. you have to let the other one get a big stick ... same size...to keep the peace and so it goes.

hamish
03/03/2006, 2:29 AM
To explain the dilemma of the this particular aspect of American Foreign policy...well it's like this it's a balance of MAD thing. That is Mutually Assured Destruction to the uninitiated. If you have two allies in Asia, as the USA do, called India and Pakistan who hate each other, you need to keep both of them onside and not play favourites. So that means if one of the two has a big stick.. you have to let the other one get a big stick ... same size...to keep the peace and so it goes.

Yeah MAD - also an old Ian Gillan Band single!:D

India has not been a member of the Nuclear Regulatory body so basically Bush is endorsing something he's against in Iran. At least, there is some element of dialogue in Iran, if a bit dodgy at the moment.

The US supports Israel - Israel has also illegally obtained the bomb and has never been inspected. Given the history of the threats to Israel, I suppose if I was a member of Likud, I'd need something as a deterrent.

But, to the Muslim/Arab world - it seems the US endorses countries like India, Israel but not their countries.

Also, something hypocritical about a super power with SEVENTY SEVEN THOUSAND nuclear bombs now ignoring international regulations and upgrading their arsenal plus the uranium tipped bombs they already shred Iraq with. - and at the same time finger wagging any country that wants to have their own.

Again, Bush The Fool plays into the hands of the Iranian Mullahs. The Iranians can see that the thugs running North Korea have the bomb and with nuclear China supporting them, the Commies there are rather safe. Understable that they might consider the same.

Back to India and Pakistan. Just at the time Roy Keane was doing that infamous walk with his dog, these countries were damn close to some form of nuclear confrontation.
Big danger now, is the Musharraf is hanging onto power by a thread with only some of his generals and army backing him and most of Pakistan supporting Bin Laden. Much of his country is off limits to that army so it wouldn't take much to have these two countries at each others' throats again - particularly if Musharraf is assassinated and you have a more radical Islamist government - supported by pro-Islamic army leaders - with their hands on those bombs.:eek:
Kashmir will always be the the bone of contention and Musharraf has asked Bush The Fool to help with the Kashmir problem, especially after making a nuclear agreement with India, I have a feeling that a poor response by Bubble Boy will only make things worse between India and Pakistan.
Same deal with the Palestinian question. Bush no longer needs to fear the powerful Jewish lobby in the US cos he doesn't need to get elected again - what better time to get Israel and Palestine (yes, even Hamas) back talking with the carrot to both countries of massive support if they can crack a deal but if not, then the promise of reduced support to both if they don't.
If President Chimp could somehow make real progress on the Palestinian question, this would have positive effects throughout the Islamic world - even after the disgrace of Iraq.

What an optimist I am.:)

CollegeTillIDie
03/03/2006, 6:27 AM
Yeah MAD - also an old Ian Gillan Band single!:D

India has not been a member of the Nuclear Regulatory body so basically Bush is endorsing something he's against in Iran. At least, there is some element of dialogue in Iran, if a bit dodgy at the moment.

The US supports Israel - Israel has also illegally obtained the bomb and has never been inspected. Given the history of the threats to Israel, I suppose if I was a member of Likud, I'd need something as a deterrent.

But, to the Muslim/Arab world - it seems the US endorses countries like India, Israel but not their countries.

Also, something hypocritical about a super power with SEVENTY SEVEN THOUSAND nuclear bombs now ignoring international regulations and upgrading their arsenal plus the uranium tipped bombs they already shred Iraq with. - and at the same time finger wagging any country that wants to have their own.

Again, Bush The Fool plays into the hands of the Iranian Mullahs. The Iranians can see that the thugs running North Korea have the bomb and with nuclear China supporting them, the Commies there are rather safe. Understable that they might consider the same.

Back to India and Pakistan. Just at the time Roy Keane was doing that infamous walk with his dog, these countries were damn close to some form of nuclear confrontation.
Big danger now, is the Musharraf is hanging onto power by a thread with only some of his generals and army backing him and most of Pakistan supporting Bin Laden. Much of his country is off limits to that army so it wouldn't take much to have these two countries at each others' throats again - particularly if Musharraf is assassinated and you have a more radical Islamist government - supported by pro-Islamic army leaders - with their hands on those bombs.:eek:
Kashmir will always be the the bone of contention and Musharraf has asked Bush The Fool to help with the Kashmir problem, especially after making a nuclear agreement with India, I have a feeling that a poor response by Bubble Boy will only make things worse between India and Pakistan.
Same deal with the Palestinian question. Bush no longer needs to fear the powerful Jewish lobby in the US cos he doesn't need to get elected again - what better time to get Israel and Palestine (yes, even Hamas) back talking with the carrot to both countries of massive support if they can crack a deal but if not, then the promise of reduced support to both if they don't.
If President Chimp could somehow make real progress on the Palestinian question, this would have positive effects throughout the Islamic world - even after the disgrace of Iraq.

What an optimist I am.:)

President Condoleezza Rice would probably do that if she ever gets elected for a second term.

pete
03/03/2006, 12:08 PM
This decision will only encourage Iran to develop nukes considering most its neighbours already have access.

Bush explained that India is a democracy so its different than Iran but how does that explain allowing Pakistan have nukes? Pakistan is no more democractic than Iran - their "President" is/was a General in the army who lead a coup overtake the democractically elected President.

Ah sure US will never learn that having different rules alwasy bites them in the ass eventually.

:rolleyes:

Risteard
03/03/2006, 12:10 PM
Bush explained that India is a democracy so its different than Iran.
The explanation i heard on Sky last night was "Hey, stop asking such tough questions."
:(

CollegeTillIDie
03/03/2006, 4:17 PM
This decision will only encourage Iran to develop nukes considering most its neighbours already have access.

Bush explained that India is a democracy so its different than Iran but how does that explain allowing Pakistan have nukes? Pakistan is no more democractic than Iran - their "President" is/was a General in the army who lead a coup overtake the democractically elected President.

Ah sure US will never learn that having different rules alwasy bites them in the ass eventually.

:rolleyes:

Well the current Pakistani regime is America's Mossie ally so anything they want they get!

1 9 2 8
03/03/2006, 6:39 PM
The US foreign policy is all about double standards. They talk about spreading democracy in the Middle East but when the people of Palestine elect their choosing government. The US says no thatís not who we wanted in government and halts all aid to the country

hamish
03/03/2006, 6:50 PM
Any chance Cheney might take Bush The Fool duck hunting soon?:)

ken foree
08/03/2006, 7:43 PM
NY Times opinion:

Editorial
Mr. Bush's Asian Road Trip
Published: March 7, 2006

There is a lot of good a president can do on a visit to another country: negotiate treaties that enhance American security, shore up a shaky alliance, generate good will in important parts of the world. Unfortunately, President Bush didn't do any of those good things on his just-completed visit to Pakistan and India and may have done some real harm.
...
But sticking Mr. Musharraf with the unwelcome task of explaining to Pakistanis why his friend and ally, Mr. Bush, had granted favorable nuclear terms to Pakistan's archrival, India, while withholding them from Pakistan left him less likely to do Washington any special, and politically unpopular, favors on the terrorism front.

It's just baffling why Mr. Bush traveled halfway around the world to stand right next to one of his most important allies against terrorists ó and embarrass him. India and Pakistan are military rivals that have fought each other repeatedly. They have both developed nuclear weapons outside the nonproliferation treaty, which both refuse to sign. When India exploded its first acknowledged nuclear weapons eight years ago, Pakistan felt obliged to follow suit within weeks.

So when Mr. Bush agreed to carve out an exception to global nonproliferation rules for India, it should have been obvious that Pakistani opinion would demand the same privileged treatment, and that Mr. Musharraf would be embarrassed by Mr. Bush's explicit refusal to provide it.

CollegeTillIDie
12/03/2006, 4:24 PM
Indian Food is nicer than Pakistani food obviously :D

Plastic Paddy
12/03/2006, 4:34 PM
Any chance Cheney might take Bush The Fool duck hunting soon?:)

Post of the month IMHO. Good to know that east county Galway is a hotbed of political satire... :D

:ball: PP

hamish
15/04/2006, 3:50 AM
This kinda ties in with this thread. Many feel that Bush and co. are fearful of China's influence in Asia and the nuclear deal is aimed at bolstering India.

Here's how China might view the US - it's obviously a satirical flash video (nifty soundtrack).

Veru funny and Cheney's infamous "Go fcuk yourself" comment to a Democrat in one of their Houses of Government is used wickedly and humourously. Obviously, for those US workers who have seen their jobs "outsourced" abroad and seeing the cheaper Chinese imports - it's not funny at all. See today, two US car manufacturers are shutting down about a dozen plants over the next 2 years.

Have a look:D

http://festival.sundance.org/2006/watch/film.aspx?which=402&category=DOC

hamish
18/04/2006, 11:58 PM
Post of the month IMHO. Good to know that east county Galway is a hotbed of political satire...

:ball: PP

PP - if you saw some of the TDs we have - not hard to be satirical TBH:D I voted Green Party last election and even with fcuk all publicity and fcuk all canvasing - GP got about 1300 first preferences - might have been something to do also with the protests in the area about new super dumps. I also voted in local elections for Independents like Johnny Walsh - a good politician and hard working Beeslow FC clubman.

More on the India/US nuclear agreement - article is a bit long but worth reading.

http://www.ingmarlee.com/2006/04/18/bushs-destabilizing-nuclear-deal-with-india-an-idiotic-tango-gets-irradiated-mangos/#respond

Extract
First, India supported Bush’s recent machinations against Iran and the IAEA, and subsequently at the UN Security Council. Secondly, Singh conceded to terminate the $4 billion “Peace Pipeline” project, which was to have delivered natural gas from Iran, across Pakistan, to India which was slated to be operational by 2011. And Thirdly, Singh has demoted the main architect and proponent of the Peace Pipeline, his Union Petroleum Minister, Mani Shankar Aiyar to the post of Sports and Youth Affairs.