Am I Racist

[Dodge]

Spot on klein4

[max power]

If after this thread i am considered a racist i'm not alone around here.

[Poor Student]

If after this thread i am considered a racist i'm not alone around here.

Max, how do you feel about the implication? Does it make you feel like you wanto change or make you feel that people are just being over the top?

[Block G Raptor]

Do you realise how many thousands of Nigerians are in Ireland?

And do you realise how few people are involved in the aforementioned drug dealing?

A Significant ammount I believe





I just wish that when people talk about immigration into Ireland they compared everything they were about to say with what Irish immigrants did in places like America and Britain.
What? Worked their Balls off for feck all pay? as I've already said I have no problem with Genuine decent people coming here to work.
Iam sick of bleeding heart do gooder's throwing the whole "the Irish emmigrated in their millions" BS. in anyones face who dares question this countrys policy on Immigration. My Brothers and uncles did not get a free house in a plush suburb when they arrived in Brisbane or Boston. they were not given 100's of dollars every week nor did they get "Socialising Money" so they could integrate with the nationals whom really they wouldn't P!ss on if they were on fire. Give me a break A Significant ammount if not a majority of so called asylum seekers are coming here from England because they get more benefits. Wake up and see whats going on we are being taken for a ride by these "Benefit Tourists". It's worth noticing that there are no Direct flights from Nigeria to Dublin and european law states that an Asylum Seeker must calim asylum in the first member state in which they land or be returned to the member state which they arrived from why is this law not being enforced?

[Plastic Paddy]

also a considerable amount of non-national's(Notice Iam not generalising here) are less than desirable citizen's ie. Criminals in their own countries who want to continue thare criminal ways here.

Are you for real? Go on, invent some spurious statistic to support your prejudice; that'll fool everyone. People won't think you're in the slightest bit racist... :rolleyes:


Also why do these people come to Ireland as opposed to any other european country? It's not for the Guinness. It is no coincidence that we have the one of the if not the most lucrative Social Welfare systems and the least efficent immigration systems

Ahh, that old canard. Daily Mail readers in this country (the UK) have been buying that bullshît hook line and sinker for years now. I bet the trashy press all over Europe are stoking up the little-Ire/Eng/whoever-landers in their readership with this nonsense. What makes you think that in-migrants don't settle in other European states? I'll tell you now that they do and in larger numbers than ever make it to the windswept western outpost of Europe known as Ireland.

Have a word with yourself. You sound like an unreconstructed bigot. I'm sure you're not like that at all... :rolleyes:

:ball: PP

[max power]

no i feel its a lot of over the top PC stuff, ok i had a thought last weekend but its not what i think every day.

i deal with people from other countries every day, the main problem for me is the level of english. some cultural differences as well but some of those are also positive.

i see the dutch have brought in an exam and if you dont pass it your out the door. also there is something about only dutch being spoken on the streets of Rotherdam.

[Passive]

My Brothers and uncles did not get a free house in a plush suburb when they arrived in Brisbane or Boston. they were not given 100's of dollars every week nor did they get "Socialising Money" so they could integrate with the nationals whom really they wouldn't P!ss on if they were on fire.

Oh sweet Jesus, just when you think the debate has reached its lowest ebb along comes this.

If living with your family in a one roomed flat (as the majority of asylum seekers do in direct provision housing) and trying to survive on around Eur19 a week is your idea of fun then....well, it pretty much confirms what I thought about bohs fans.

Look at the figures and get back to me when you have the slightest clue as to what you are talking about.

[Block G Raptor]

have no Problem with any decent person of any race or creed coming here and contributing to Irish society

Does this sound racist or Bigotted. I have no Problem with anyone because of the colour of their Skin.but lets call a spade a spade her for a minute(am I allowed to use this Irish annalogy or is it not P.C. anymore:rolleyes: ) the majority of non-nationals have not done a lot to endear themselves to us hopefully that will change over the years as future genertations are born here and hopefully integrate with more enthusiam than there pre-decessors
If I caused offence to anyone my appologies I really dont want to sound Racist(really I do beleive that we are all equal but I also beleive respect must be earned) but Iam p!ssed off with Ireland being seen as an easy touch!

[Block G Raptor]

O trying to survive on around Eur19 a week is your idea of fun

I would love to know where you are getting your Figures from because let me assure you they are getting a whole lot maore than €19 a week and if you believe that to quote George Hamilton "You sir are an Idiot"

[micls]

I would love to know where you are getting your Figures from because let me assure you they are getting a whole lot maore than €19 a week and if you believe that to quote George Hamilton "You sir are an Idiot"

After the posts you've made on this thread you calling someone else and idiot is laughable

[rebs23]

Please someone end this thread!

[Block G Raptor]

block g raptor ; are the majority of these criminals non national or are you only remembering the non national ones as the media feels need to make a point of this in reports? correct me if I am wrong here but there was plenty of serious crime here before we ever had any immigration. and also do you really feel queing is what defines us as Irish people? I agree with person above who said bus/luas ques are total free for alls. And there was plenty of people driving without tax/insurance and after consuming an amount of alcohol that would make shane macgowan blush before immigration to this country. people seem to be takin out a general sense of frustration in their own lives on the nearest and easiest target - foreign people. pretty ****in boring and repetitive at this stage.

I have a number of friends from Sierra Leone and the Ivory Coast and they hate Nigerians. they are the most hated Nationality in Africa because of the Criminality of a huge proportion of the population.people need to wake up a huge proportion of Nigerians are here because they see Ireland as an opportunity to carry on their Criminal ways with reletive impunity.mock me all you want that is the sad truth of the situation no matter how you bury your heads in the sand and dress it up.

[Passive]

I accept that the word 'racist' is thrown around far too much. Take the initial question of this thread - is wanting shop staff to be Irish racist? The answer is no. However, to extreme liberals this does have racist overtones because you are implying that only Irish people should be hired, which is contrary to the belief that all people should be treated equally regardless of race.

Claims that asylum seekers are given plush houses, socialising money and hundreds of euro a week (and free mobiles, free cars etc.) also aren't racist as such, but they do stoke up racism.

The vast, vast majority of asylum seekers who come to Ireland would love to work but the fact is that they are not allowed to. By law, they have to live on social benefits until their case is heard (which has been known to take over five years, even if the process has been sped up recently). The Chinese are different because they come over on student visas so they can work, and fair play to them for doing so.

Besides, even conservative estimates state that we need 60,000 more immigrants in this country in order to keep the economy growing at its present levels. Immigration is healthy, for both economic and cultural reasons. All a "nation" is is a group of people who have lived together for so long that they have managed to convince themselves they are somehow different from everyone else - today's immigrant is just the grandfather of a future 100% Irishman. Besides, what is Irish? I had a conversation with a friend a few days ago and using the surnames of our friends we could trace their roots back to France, England, Scotland, Germany and Italy. Admittedly, we're all southside Dubs and maybe most people on foot.ie wouldn't consider us to be Irish anyway. (That last bit was a joke, by the way).

My final point has only two words and I believe it sums up all that is good about immigration: Polish women.

Argue with that.

[Wiseguy]

Oh sweet Jesus, just when you think the debate has reached its lowest ebb along comes this.

If living with your family in a one roomed flat (as the majority of asylum seekers do in direct provision housing) and trying to survive on around Eur19 a week is your idea of fun then....well, it pretty much confirms what I thought about bohs fans.

Look at the figures and get back to me when you have the slightest clue as to what you are talking about.

I'm not going to say much more on this subject as it is beginning to get out of hand but i was recently renting a 3 bed house in a newly built estate in Longford.I was paying €150 per week which isn't to bad but i still had to budget my money to afford it.The person that owned the house had another house next door to was a 4 bed and €200 p.w. She decided to lease it to the social welfare and "non nationals" became tenants.As the family was a family of Asylum seekers they couldn't work.Before to long there were 2 cars outside the house & a Sky Digital dish and these people were unemployed.I was unemployed for a month and i couldn't afford a push bike let alone 2 cars.To cut a long story short they made my life hell and the landlady had to evict them.Whatever money the social welfare were giving to go towards rent this family were keeping it for themselves.They took everything out of the house and wrecked the place and i could tell you 20 more stories like this.Now i don't know about the rest of you but i for one find this unacceptable behaviour for anybody to carry out but when the state is trying to help you should be fcuking grateful.The fact is that the state is sponsoring these people in some of the finest accommodation available and i have seen it with my own 2 eyes and heard about it with my own 2 ears.
I'm sorry if i sound racist but some of these refugees are here for the free ride and Block G Raptor is right in some of the things he said whether you like it or not.

[Block G Raptor]

The vast, vast majority of asylum seekers who come to Ireland would love to work but the fact is that they are not allowed to. By law, they have to live on social benefits until their case is heard (which has been known to take over five years, even if the process has been sped up recently).

I understand this and feel that the law should be different!
It would be interesting to see if numbers in asylum seekers dropped considerably if this law was changed it may prove or disprove my theory on "Benefit Tourists" I beleive that everyone has the right to earn a living


The Chinese are different because they come over on student visas so they can work, and fair play to them for doing so.

I agree fairplay to them for doing so and in my experiance no one works harder. However I also know from experiance that what some of them do is enroll in college with no intention of attending in order to get visa's and also some stay long after their visa has expired this should not happen but if they have been here and worked for whatever 6 months or a year in steady employment their visa should be extended



today's immigrant is just the grandfather of a future 100% Irishman.
I agree with that aswell

[Block G Raptor]

Before to long there were 2 cars outside the house & a Sky Digital dish and these people were unemployed.
On €19 a week? makes the loaves and fishes look like a cheap parlour trick;)


I'm sorry if i sound racist but some of these refugees are here for the free ride and Block G Raptor is right in some of the things he said whether you like it or not.

Thanx for the support at least some on here can see the wood for the trees

[Hither green]

Best post on this thread so far.

No I'm sorry this it the best post.





Moderator: Please do not quote complete posts when responding.

why i was refering to the complete post

and you just quoted my complete post too !

Can't beat a bit of good old fashioned back chat, like being back at school :D
Made my day!

[Wiseguy]

Yep Hither Green is right. Max should be up for post of the month. You just can't beat a smartarse.

[Passive]

On €19 a week? makes the loaves and fishes look like a cheap parlour trick


Of course, the possibility that they are using money already in their possession would not occur to you. Many asylum seekers from Nigeria are from the Nigerian middle classes, which perhaps goes someway to explaining this myth that they are getting "hundreds a week".

Incidentally, I get my figures from asylum seekers and from people who work in the area.

You haven't even produced any figures to back up your wild allegations.

[Block G Raptor]

You haven't even produced any figures to back up your wild allegations.
Iam bound by confidentiallity and could lose my job if I were to put figures on here but beleive me you'd be surprised just how much the basic is. it's more than the dole anyway

[klein4]

there are a lot of figures that are more than the dole. I earn more than the dole. it doesnt make me loaded. outstaying visa? sure no Irish person has EVER done that. I havent heard one thing said in this whole thread to make me think that having people from other countries here is such a terrible thing.
some of thems cant speak english to good.(cause we lead the way as a nation in our linguistic dexterity.)
some of thems come here for the easy money. hello ever heard of compo culture. did we not invent that? and were all them tax amnesties we had to have for the benefit of tax dodging irish or tax dodging foreigners...???
some of thems are engaged in criminal activityah shucks they must be puttin our ordinary decent Irish criminals outta work!

anyone ever been in any of the Irish areas of New York or sydney? hardly model citizens adopting the customs of their new homeland. and block g it isnt p.c. bull**** to mention the fact that irish people emmigrated to other countries as a reason why we should be more accomadating to people emigrating here. maybe if you had grown up in a country with **** all oppurtunies and mass unemployment you might appreciate that fact a little more.

[dahamsta]

Would anyone like to bring this thread out of the loop, or should I just lock it?

If you choose to continue, desist from the "idiots" and suchlike, or I'll ban you from the forum.

adam

[John83]

some of thems come here for the easy money. hello ever heard of compo culture. did we not invent that? and were all them tax amnesties we had to have for the benefit of tax dodging irish or tax dodging foreigners...???
No, we didn't. It's imported, like most of the rest of our culture.


Would anyone like to bring this thread out of the loop, or should I just lock it?
It's unlikely to get better. I'd just lock it.

[WeAreRovers]

Would anyone like to bring this thread out of the loop, or should I just lock it?

If you choose to continue, desist from the "idiots" and suchlike, or I'll ban you from the forum.

adam

For once I'd say lock it. It's going nowhere fast.

KOH

[dahamsta]

Your wish is my command.