Liam Brady Article in Sunday Tribune

[CollegeTillIDie]

Brady turned up for a mickey mouse tour of the Caribbean and South America in 1982 where we were beaten 7-0 by Brazil and 3-1 by Trinidad and Tobago.
Keane failed to turn up for the WORLD CUP FINALS ! NY Hoop is correct with his labellage of the Dork from Cork !

[CollegeTillIDie]

Now one last word about Brady... this is a song that was first sung at the USSR match in Hannover.. to the tune of Lord Of The Dance:

" Dance , Dance wherever you may be/ We lost Mark Lawrenson and Liam Brady/ But we don't care and we don't give a f**k/ Cause we beat the Brits in the Nations Cup "

[OwlsFan]

Sheridan obviously has a warm place in my heart (Ireland and winning goal for Wednesday in League Cup Final in 1991 vs Man U) but his main draw back was his lack of pace. Great passer of the ball but wasn't a box to box midfielder and lacked bite in the tackle. I would always have had Whelan, Keane and/or Townsend in ahead of him. A midfield of Keane and Townsend - sigh. Those were the days.

[NY Hoop]

Class player Sheridan. I remember his super finish against Bolivia and his chip that should have beaten Norway in 94.

KOH

[Den Perry]

I remember being at the game where we beat Turkey 5-0 and Aldridge scored a hatrick. Sheridan gave what I believe was as good an attacking performance as I have ever seen from an Irish midfielder

[Den Perry]

Sheridan was an excellent passer of the ball. Would be a shoe in for centre midfield if he was around now. He had a good bit of competition in his day for a green shirt. He was more gifted than Townsend, but in fairness to townsend he got through an awful lot of work on the pitch.
I'm sure he'd be delighted Den, to be mentioned along with Brady, but Brady was different class. He could beat a player at ease and open up defences at ease. had a bit more trickery than Sheridan.

P.S welcome back Den!

Thank you Nedder....it was a I thought a very harsh suspension. But I have learned my lesson

[Stuttgart88]

Not to mention his crucial goal at home to Spain. Quality player, would have been far more appreciated under any other manager than Jack.

[John83]

Anyone have the other parts of the Brady piece from the Tribune? The Trappatoni piece and at least one other tribute haven't been posted and they're not on the Tribune's website any more. :(

[klein4]

the trappatoni piece wasnt on the website the day after.
dont think there was anything else.
tributes from giles,don howe and trappatoni. and a piece about missing a penalty against valencia.

[geysir]

Anyone have the other parts of the Brady piece from the Tribune? The Trappatoni piece :(
I have the Trapattoni tribute, no harm in repeating the key notes of his praise :)
Professional, great professional, gentleman, leader at 24, important leader, will always remember his class, professional in every sense, left foot, winner, hero. Gave us all a lesson in professionalism, one of the few times I have cried, gentleman in the face of adversity, class, modest.

[OwlsFan]

why has there never been a documentary on brady on Irish telly? its not as if we have a load of players who went to Italy....

Funny we should be discussing that as RTE did a small piece after the Chelsea vs Barca game last night to celebrate his 50th birthday. Pity Laughing Bill had to spoil it a bit by his usual attack on Charlton but it was a nice tribute - oh those empty seats in Lansdowne as Brady scored against Brazil :rolleyes: .

[NeilMcD]

Owls Fan is Charlton beyond criticism. surely its valid to bring that up as it was a harsh way to treat Brady.

[OwlsFan]

Owls Fan is Charlton beyond criticism. surely its valid to bring that up as it was a harsh way to treat Brady.

Charlton got nothing but criticism from Laughing Bill, Giles and Dunphy for 8 years non stop and then, when they were finished with him, they turned on McCarthy. It was the lack of balance that annoyed me on the RTE panels. All 3 sang from the same hymm sheet. Never a dissenting voice.

So in the tribute, right at the end, the anchor man says "I think it was a disgrace the way Charlton substituted you". Surely, if they wanted to bring up that topic yet again, Laughing Bill should have said to Brady "How did you feel about being substituted ?" It is not the role of an anchor man to say a particular action was a "disgrace" but that has been typical of O'Herlihy over the years when it comes to treating Charlton.

[kingcolers]

Charlton got nothing but criticism from Laughing Bill, Giles and Dunphy for 8 years non stop and then, when they were finished with him, they turned on McCarthy. It was the lack of balance that annoyed me on the RTE panels. All 3 sang from the same hymm sheet. Never a dissenting voice.

So in the tribute, right at the end, the anchor man says "I think it was a disgrace the way Charlton substituted you". Surely, if they wanted to bring up that topic yet again, Laughing Bill should have said to Brady "How did you feel about being substituted ?" It is not the role of an anchor man to say a particular action was a "disgrace" but that has been typical of O'Herlihy over the years when it comes to treating Charlton.

one of great things about giles and dunphy is that they speak their minds. no bullsh*t, very forthright. irish tv would be a lot poorer if they started modifying their opinions for the sake of "balance". if you want that, switch over to the bland drivel on BBC or sky.

[klein4]

have to say I thought the researchers were shown up to be lazy ****es last nite. could they not find one clip of his time in italy? joke. and I thought bill was disgraceful bringing up that ****e about charlton. surely they should have been focusing on more positive aspects of a long career.

[NeilMcD]

Charlton got nothing but criticism from Laughing Bill, Giles and Dunphy for 8 years non stop and then, when they were finished with him, they turned on McCarthy. It was the lack of balance that annoyed me on the RTE panels. All 3 sang from the same hymm sheet. Never a dissenting voice.

So in the tribute, right at the end, the anchor man says "I think it was a disgrace the way Charlton substituted you". Surely, if they wanted to bring up that topic yet again, Laughing Bill should have said to Brady "How did you feel about being substituted ?" It is not the role of an anchor man to say a particular action was a "disgrace" but that has been typical of O'Herlihy over the years when it comes to treating Charlton.

Yeah to be fair to RTE I do think they were dissenting when the rest of the country was running around in a state of frenzy. I agree it would have been much more interesting if they had a pro Charlton footballing expert during the 80's and 90's to be honest I am struggling to think of anyone that could have filled that role. But the print media loved Charlton and so the the companies he did ads for also. Not sure the fish in the west of Ireland were a fan of the Charlton years.

[OwlsFan]

one of great things about giles and dunphy is that they speak their minds. no bullsh*t, very forthright. irish tv would be a lot poorer if they started modifying their opinions for the sake of "balance". if you want that, switch over to the bland drivel on BBC or sky.

The problem is that much of what Dunphy says is "bullsh*t". Just because someone speaks their mind, it doesn't make it correct. So what you want is someone to mouth off any old controversial cr*p that completely contradicts what he said the week before. Well, if that's what you like....

Balance does not equal bland. Balance equals a different opinion to the same opinion being expressed by the two panelists and the anchor man.

I also agree with klein4:eek: . Why bring up something that leaves a bad taste in a tribute to someone unless it's to have a go at Charlton ?

NeillMc, I am sure there would have been numerous ex-professional (other than Eoin Hand:D ) who could have been brought in to break up the lovefest between Giles and Dumpy. Brady provides a balance now except when it comes to Chelsea which he hates as much if not more as the other two.

[NeilMcD]

So find me 3 panellists that bring balance to every topic that they talk about and that there is not one topic that they dont agree. Also tell me a show that has this. Where shoudl we watch football on Tv then.

[OwlsFan]

So find me 3 panellists that bring balance to every topic that they talk about and that there is not one topic that they dont agree. Also tell me a show that has this. Where shoudl we watch football on Tv then.

Usually Brady, Giles and Dunphy. Brady for the most part disagrees with the other two except when it comes to Chelsea. Trevor Steven when he's on also isn't part of the "I agree with John" "I agree with Eamon" duet.

[NeilMcD]

So then you agree with the Thank god for RTE which was said in another thread.

[kingcolers]

The problem is that much of what Dunphy says is "bullsh*t". Just because someone speaks their mind, it doesn't make it correct. So what you want is someone to mouth off any old controversial cr*p that completely contradicts what he said the week before. Well, if that's what you like....


well that's your opinion of dunphy, which is obviously one of loathing. if i did think he was talking crap and contradicting himself every week, then i wouldn't listen to him.

whether you agree or disagree with him, he's pretty an interesting pundit. and besides the roy keane sagas, during which he's been irrational/emotional/contradictory, dunphy has been taking a consistent line for years about the type of football and footballers he admires: honesty, courage, responsibility, aesthetics, great players versus merely good ones etc. just cuz giles shares the same philosophy doesn't mean they should break up the format for the sake of balance. i'd rather have something interesting, educational and frequently controversial, than have a few bland geezers politely disagreeing with each other. but if that's what you like...

[klein4]

yeah brilliant post.
just out of intrest owlsfan are you based in ireland or england?
only ask cause a lot of people changed their opinion on dunphy after hearing his radio shows where he is a bit less "showbiz" than he is as a panelist.

[OwlsFan]

, dunphy has been taking a consistent line for years about the type of football and footballers he admires.

You obviously don't listen to what he says because he is anything but consistent. He will contradict himself week in, week out. His predictions are nearly always wrong. He predicted Chelsea to beat Barca and that gets forgotten about in his diatribe (unjustified based upon results this year and last) against the Premiership. I could go on all day here about the man but I might end up getting a stroke :o It says so much about Irish society that people like him are regarded as "great characters". He talks about the "gutter press" while some of the personal attacks he made on Mick McCarthy were worse than some of the stuff you'd see in the Sun or Evening Herald :eek: .

klein4, I live in Dublin and I have heard Dunphy on the radio. He will criticise someone but once he has them as a guest on the show, he sticks his head so far up their ars* that it almost comes out their mouth. Cringe-making stuff.

Why don't we get Hector on the Premiership - sure he's great gas as well and can say controversial things and keep us all entertained.

[klein4]

dont agree with you.
I thought last nites analysis was top notch from all three.
even their response to mourhinhos call for the game to be replayed and the fact that they called del hornos tackle for what it was eventho the commentry team called it wrong.
I dont particularly like dunphy but it is a better show with him on it. he does take a ass licking approach to his guests on radio show and I think even bill alluded to that last nite when he said he was gettin worse than eamonn when he kept praising brady!

[NY Hoop]

You obviously don't listen to what he says because he is anything but consistent. He will contradict himself week in, week out. His predictions are nearly always wrong. He predicted Chelsea to beat Barca and that gets forgotten about in his diatribe (unjustified based upon results this year and last) against the Premiership. I could go on all day here about the man but I might end up getting a stroke :o It says so much about Irish society that people like him are regarded as "great characters". He talks about the "gutter press" while some of the personal attacks he made on Mick McCarthy were worse than some of the stuff you'd see in the Sun or Evening Herald :eek: .

klein4, I live in Dublin and I have heard Dunphy on the radio. He will criticise someone but once he has them as a guest on the show, he sticks his head so far up their ars* that it almost comes out their mouth. Cringe-making stuff.

Why don't we get Hector on the Premiership - sure he's great gas as well and can say controversial things and keep us all entertained.

Great post and spot on. Dummy is a coward. Made repeated and unwarranted attacks on the league here even though it gave him a living and his only medal in football. A parody of himself at this stage.

KOH

[klein4]

the MLS???

[kingcolers]

You obviously don't listen to what he says because he is anything but consistent. He will contradict himself week in, week out. His predictions are nearly always wrong. .

Well, you're obviously having difficulty reading what I said. I said he's taken a consistnent view of footballers and football in general, going back years to when he wrote his book. I think everyone who's listened to him for the past 20 years would agree with that. But i think you are blinded by your hatred for the man.

On a weekly basis, yeah well if he gets his predictions wrong, big deal. Name me a pundit who doesnt. As for his weekly contradictions, you'll have to be specific, because I suspect you are talking through your hat on that one.

Anyway, not much point continuing the conversation. sounds like you'd prefer to listen to ray houghton or peter shmeichel talking a load of hot air. so be it...

[OwlsFan]

EXAMPLES eh ?

Dunphy (and his buddies) on Mick McCarthy before the Ireland vs Romania game

Dunphy: "He (McCarthy) is a PR man. What he's doing is trying to pretend that the older players are finished. He has set out his stall to massage public opinion. He's going to be around a long time spinning this stuff".

O'Herlihy: "But let's say..."

Dunphy: "Listen, listen. I've spoken to senior pros ((presumably the ones Mick had dropped)). This guy hasn't got a clue what he's at".

Giles: "I agree with that" ((Great balance as ever in the RTE Panel))

Dunphy: "The whole set up stinks. This is going to be another EOin Hand job. The whole set up stinks and he deserves plenty of stick. We will be slughtered today. He's a manipulator of public opinion ((pot and kettle come to mind)). ((He then goes on to predict 4-0 to Romania)).

Obviously the phone lines were hopping to which Laughing Bill O'Herliny replies:

Laughing Bill: "It's extremely irritating to give objective comment and then at the end of the day to be accused of being unpatriotic"

Objective - what a laugh.

As for the game, those of you who remember, we out played Romania, lost 1-0 and Keane missed a peno. It was an excellent performance. Later on:

Dunphy: "It has been a much better performance than I expected. There is nothing wrong with the commitment of the players except Roy Keane ((pre autobiography deal)) who hasn't been in the game as much as he should".

Later:

Ireland 1 Holland 0

Dunphy after tha game: "An incredible achievement by the manager and players.....Credit to the manager and to the atmosphere and to the family feeling, the feeling of belonging, he has created.....That is why the manager and coaches deserve credit. That's a cumalitive thing and very, very impressive.....A vindication for the manager who's had a rough time ".

He didn't of course contradict himself later when Saipan arrived :rolleyes:
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Just to remind you that Dunphy said Liverpool had no hope of reaching the Final, ridiculed the team, predicted that Chelsea would score in both legs and that the Liverpool defence was hopeless and blamed every team that Liverpool beat on the way for underperforming. Whenever he is wrong, he blames the short-comings of the team he had predicted would win - just like last Wednesday against Barca.

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[NY Hoop]

Dont know how I forgot this. Claimed kilcoyne was a hero after selling Milltown:mad:

I dont hate him I just feel sorry for him and anyone who is related to him.

Re that Romania game didnt he predict that we would get slaughtered 5-0?!


KOH

[OwlsFan]

The "I agree with John" "I agree with Eamon" roadshow was in town last night on RTE as they showed the highlights of the game. Dunphy began his analysis of the game by an attack on Lawrenson's piece in the IT where Lawro said we shouldn't get carried away by one result and that there were weakenesses in the centre of defence, midfield and upfront. I thought Lawro's comments made perfect sense but "Mr Controversial" launched into a vitriolic attack on him "I'm not one to criticise other journalists :eek: but......"
There was no discussion about the merits of Lawro's comments - just an attack. No mention of Andy O'Brien's performance at the back. But strangely enough they conceded later there was a problem in midfield - just as Lawro had said.

Then Laughing Bill lead a discussion about the performances of "the 3 debutants": Ireland, Doyle and Millar :eek: :confused:

Because the 3 Amigos were criticial of Kerr at the end of his era, they now support the Stan regime and will bear no criticism. I'll give it 6 months before Dumpy turns on him.

[NeilMcD]

I did not see the show last night as I was playing football but what did Dunphy say about Lawrensons piece or about Lawrenson.

[OwlsFan]

Don't have his exact words (for a change) but he attacked the whole tenor of Lawrenson's article and this without even being prompted by Laughing Bill. Basically, it was a great performance and let's not hear any negativity about it. Didn't see Lawro's article myself. You seem to be the man who can conjure articles out of the air - have you got it ?

[NeilMcD]

Promising start, but we're still lacking




Just what the doctor would have ordered. A bright start, a very good start, precisely what Steve Staunton and his players would have looked for. And for people who wanted to be impressed straight away, who wanted to be convinced that the "new regime" offered new hope, it was perfect, writes Mark Lawrenson, Soccer analyst

This, though, is where I begin to sound like a killjoy: if you seriously analyse the game Sweden had a couple of early chances when they could, and probably should, have been in front. They didn't take them, their performance wasn't up to much after that, and we took full advantage. It was, of course, encouraging that we did that, but for me the result doesn't hide the simple fact that we're still short in so many departments.

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If you're a manager about to play us in a qualification game, if you're the German or the Czech manager, you'll look at us and you'll see that we'll be strong down the wing. Damien Duff is playing, so you look after that threat, and then you get nice and tight on Robbie Keane - and, in all honesty, we might not be able to come up with too much beyond that.

Shay Given was, undoubtedly, our best player in the World Cup qualifying campaign - which tells us something - and while Duff and Keane started out brightly they petered out towards the end. And because we are so, so reliant on them when that happened, really, our hopes faded.

They are the two people we have who can turn a game, really and truly we don't have anyone else who can do that if you're up against opposition smart enough to nullify them - and that's pretty much most opposition these days.

But the best - and nicest - thing about last night's game was the response from Duff and Keane. In many ways their performances showed just how enthusiastic they are about this manager's appointment.

There was a spark from both of them that was missing, probably, in the last three, four games of our World Cup campaign. Staunton needs to get that out of them game in, game out, he desperately needs them to be fit and in form because so much of our hope rests on them.

Yes, there were some decent performances last night, but we know - and we have to accept - we are still quite a way short. Steven Reid and John O'Shea did alright in midfield, Joey O'Brien did alright at the back, as did Ian Harte, but however well he does, the simple fact remains, he has no pace. It was important that the likes of Kevin Doyle and Joey O'Brien were blooded, it was another game for Stephen Elliott, Liam Miller came on and scored a great goal, Staunton is shuffling the pack and seeing what we've got. All positive, all good. All of those players, to some extent, enhanced their reputations, without really saying: "I'm going to be the next big thing."

Of the new, or newer, breed Stephen Ireland has a chance, no doubt, as do Elliott, Doyle, O'Brien, maybe even Miller, but we might be lucky to get even one of them actually turning in to a really, really good performer. They're all promising, but whether or not any of them can develop into the quality of player we desperately need, I'm not sure.

I would still look at this team and say at centre back, centre midfield and up front we're still short - and I felt that again watching them last night. If we could unearth players of Duff and Keane's quality in those positions then we'd be looking at something completely different. But we're very samey. Can you imagine us going to Germany without Duff or Keane? All we'd have is a decent Championship team/average Premiership side, that would be the quality we would be left with.

So, without wanting to rain on anybody's parade, we're short of players, that's it. And while, say, the German and Czech managers will be impressed with that result, their view will remain the same: take Keane and Duff out of that team, mark them out of the game, and Ireland are pretty much Championship fare.

Of course you want to be more optimistic than that, you can feel the willingness about the place for the team to succeed, for Staunton to succeed, and, yes, last night, of course, was a promising start, great for team morale, but the underlying problem has not gone away. So, while last night was positive, not least because of Duff and Keane, I wouldn't, in all honesty, be booking my hotel in Austria and Switzerland just yet. We're three, four players short, and that's the simple truth.


Not sure I like the tone of your last comment there.

[NeilMcD]

Dunphy began his analysis of the game by an attack on Lawrenson's piece in the IT where Lawro said we shouldn't get carried away by one result and that there were weakenesses in the centre of defence, midfield and upfront. I thought Lawro's comments made perfect sense but "Mr Controversial" launched into a vitriolic attack on him "I'm not one to criticise other journalists :eek: but......"
There was no discussion about the merits of Lawro's comments - just an attack. .



Sorry to be picky here but you say that Lawrensons comments made sense and then you went on to say that you did not read the piecie. Is this not impossible, unless you are taking Dunphys word for but you would not be that naive would you.

[klein4]

good article there by lawrenson. please god he will be proved wrong tho.

[OwlsFan]

I would still look at this team and say at centre back, centre midfield and up front we're still short - and I felt that again watching them last night.

That's the element Dunphy took issue with. Not sure why he has now decided to attack Lawrenson out of the blue since most football people would agree with the above sentiment - I suspect it was to generate controversy and to appeal to those punters who love controversy for the sake of it. Of course Lawrenson has his own baggage as well having come out in favour of Kerr.

[livehead1]

Promising start, but we're still lacking




Just what the doctor would have ordered. A bright start, a very good start, precisely what Steve Staunton and his players would have looked for. And for people who wanted to be impressed straight away, who wanted to be convinced that the "new regime" offered new hope, it was perfect, writes Mark Lawrenson, Soccer analyst

This, though, is where I begin to sound like a killjoy: if you seriously analyse the game Sweden had a couple of early chances when they could, and probably should, have been in front. They didn't take them, their performance wasn't up to much after that, and we took full advantage. It was, of course, encouraging that we did that, but for me the result doesn't hide the simple fact that we're still short in so many departments.

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If you're a manager about to play us in a qualification game, if you're the German or the Czech manager, you'll look at us and you'll see that we'll be strong down the wing. Damien Duff is playing, so you look after that threat, and then you get nice and tight on Robbie Keane - and, in all honesty, we might not be able to come up with too much beyond that.

Shay Given was, undoubtedly, our best player in the World Cup qualifying campaign - which tells us something - and while Duff and Keane started out brightly they petered out towards the end. And because we are so, so reliant on them when that happened, really, our hopes faded.

They are the two people we have who can turn a game, really and truly we don't have anyone else who can do that if you're up against opposition smart enough to nullify them - and that's pretty much most opposition these days.

But the best - and nicest - thing about last night's game was the response from Duff and Keane. In many ways their performances showed just how enthusiastic they are about this manager's appointment.

There was a spark from both of them that was missing, probably, in the last three, four games of our World Cup campaign. Staunton needs to get that out of them game in, game out, he desperately needs them to be fit and in form because so much of our hope rests on them.

Yes, there were some decent performances last night, but we know - and we have to accept - we are still quite a way short. Steven Reid and John O'Shea did alright in midfield, Joey O'Brien did alright at the back, as did Ian Harte, but however well he does, the simple fact remains, he has no pace. It was important that the likes of Kevin Doyle and Joey O'Brien were blooded, it was another game for Stephen Elliott, Liam Miller came on and scored a great goal, Staunton is shuffling the pack and seeing what we've got. All positive, all good. All of those players, to some extent, enhanced their reputations, without really saying: "I'm going to be the next big thing."

Of the new, or newer, breed Stephen Ireland has a chance, no doubt, as do Elliott, Doyle, O'Brien, maybe even Miller, but we might be lucky to get even one of them actually turning in to a really, really good performer. They're all promising, but whether or not any of them can develop into the quality of player we desperately need, I'm not sure.

I would still look at this team and say at centre back, centre midfield and up front we're still short - and I felt that again watching them last night. If we could unearth players of Duff and Keane's quality in those positions then we'd be looking at something completely different. But we're very samey. Can you imagine us going to Germany without Duff or Keane? All we'd have is a decent Championship team/average Premiership side, that would be the quality we would be left with.

So, without wanting to rain on anybody's parade, we're short of players, that's it. And while, say, the German and Czech managers will be impressed with that result, their view will remain the same: take Keane and Duff out of that team, mark them out of the game, and Ireland are pretty much Championship fare.

Of course you want to be more optimistic than that, you can feel the willingness about the place for the team to succeed, for Staunton to succeed, and, yes, last night, of course, was a promising start, great for team morale, but the underlying problem has not gone away. So, while last night was positive, not least because of Duff and Keane, I wouldn't, in all honesty, be booking my hotel in Austria and Switzerland just yet. We're three, four players short, and that's the simple truth.


Not sure I like the tone of your last comment there.

yeh good article, but wrong in some areas. We need one more centre half, every team in our group would have dunne in the side, or at least in the squad. also, joey o'brien did much better than 'alright' he was excellent, in his very first season in professional football. Doyle looked very good, hes a young player, as is stephen ireland, who excelled when he came on. also, i think it must be argued the stephen reid has the ability to be 'different class'. He is not samey samey, he has the talent to unlock defences which he did for duffs goal, this is an invaluable asset. Add this to the fact that he is a very physical, very quick, a hard tackler and has an outstanding shot on him, he is a super player, and is still improving, things look good, yes we are short, but mark lawrenson is wrong in the aspect that we would be a championship side. How many of our players are in the championship?