Who would make the new Premier league?

[sligoman]

If it was introduced, on the basis of support, facilities etc. Who do you think would/should make the new league?

In no particular order, I think:

Cork City,
Derry City,
Sligo Rovers,
Shelbourne,
Finn Harps,
Galway United,
Bohemians,
Shams,
Waterford United,
Drogheda United.

Is it 10 or 12 that's supposed to be in it? If 12, then I'd include, Longford and Limerick too.

[gustavo]

i dont agree that it should be on that basis really would be very unfair on pats , bray and ucd that you have left out of there , results on the pitch should always be the determinant and money should be given to clubs whose infrastructures arent up to scratch

[Rovers1]

i think there should be two seperate leagues,one with country teams and another with all the Dub teams, and for all games in the dub league,no rules apply,batter the ****e into each other until 2 teams have one player left,those two teams are allowed with us buffs!!

[pineapple stu]

If it was introduced, on the basis of support, facilities etc. Who do you think would/should make the new league?
Any league chosen on the basis of support, facilities, etc. is a joke.

There should be a 12-team Premier next season with the following teams -

Bohs
Bray
Cork
Derry
Drogheda
Dublin City
Longford
Pat's
Shels
Sligo
UCD
Waterford

[sullanefc]

If it was introduced, on the basis of support, facilities etc. Who do you think would/should make the new league?

In no particular order, I think:

Cork City,
Derry City,
Sligo Rovers,
Shelbourne,
Finn Harps,
Galway United,
Bohemians,
Shams,
Waterford United,
Drogheda United.

Is it 10 or 12 that's supposed to be in it? If 12, then I'd include, Longford and Limerick too.

I wouldn't base it on support, but I would definitely base a lot of it on stadia. And in that case I would exclude Finn Harps and Waterford. I've never seen Drogs' ground but I've heard its not so good. Longford would def have to be included as they have a nice ground. But then again teams can always ground share so I'm not sure how that would work.

[sligoman]

I'm not saying I agree with the format, it's just that's what is being mentioned so my selection is on those terms. I hate the idea tbh, it'd be a disgrace if the FAI did this to our league, but I wont be really surprised if they did cos it is the FAI after all:mad:.

[Cosmo]

Any league chosen on the basis of support, facilities, etc. is a joke.

There should be a 12-team Premier next season with the following teams -

Bohs
Bray
Cork
Derry
Drogheda
Dublin City
Longford
Pat's
Shels
Sligo
UCD
Waterford

totaly agree - especially on the facilities part of it.

I think every club should be encouraged (and pushed) to improve their facilities but I dont think it should determine what division they're in once they nominate a decent ground to play their european matches in (if they get there).

To be honest I've stayed totally out of this propsed league reform thing as I dont know enough about it but my basic opinion is that clubs should be in a division on merit and not because they have loads of supporters, great facilities, etc. If clubs that have loads of supporters, great facilities, etc and are in division one well its up to them to get promoted on the pitch. And if they cant do that, it says alot for how the clubs with no supporters, sh!t facilities, etc that are in the Premier, are well run compared to them.

[Gareth]

i think there should be two seperate leagues,one with country teams and another with all the Dub teams, and for all games in the dub league,no rules apply,batter the ****e into each other until 2 teams have one player left,those two teams are allowed with us buffs!!

Your a fool.

[Macy]

Your a fool.
Makes more sense to me than the FAI proposals/leaks tbh.

[Breifne]

i think there should be two seperate leagues,one with country teams and another with all the Dub teams, and for all games in the dub league,no rules apply,batter the ****e into each other until 2 teams have one player left,those two teams are allowed with us buffs!!


Your a fool.

Lets be honest, at least there is a competition for the spots in the league, i'd nearly even settle for picking two names out of a hat over letting one or two individuals hand pick who they would like in the Premier Division.

It has to be based on something solid. Getting your attendances over a certain threshold should not be a prerequisite for taking part in a league.

Oh and for the record, Dublin City is not a one man show. There are two full time staff and aside from playing and coaching staff there are at least three other part time employees who do actually work for the club. The club is excellently run, never has a problem with paying players or any other staff for that matter.

A lot of clubs could take a leaf out of our book, and while we have a small crowd (we are only around for 5 seasons now) its growing steadly each and every season. We now have a fan base of 2/3 hundred people (we had 60/70 people in athlone at the end of last season), compared to around 50 during the 2002 season (an increase of 400%, if we continue in that vein, especially if the FAI / eL manage to start to look after itself, we could be touching 1,000 people within 4/5 years.

It's not impossible, we just want to be given the chance to cultivate our own fan base, we don't want to steal anyones fans, we just want to bring more people to the league.

[Hibs4Ever]

If it was introduced, on the basis of support, facilities etc. Who do you think would/should make the new league?

In no particular order, I think:

Cork City,
Derry City,
Sligo Rovers,
Shelbourne,
Finn Harps,
Galway United,
Bohemians,
Shams,
Waterford United,
Drogheda United.

Is it 10 or 12 that's supposed to be in it? If 12, then I'd include, Longford and Limerick too.


Why are you leaving St Pats out of this????

[forza]

If it was introduced, on the basis of support, facilities etc. Who do you think would/should make the new league?

In no particular order, I think:

Cork City,
Derry City,
Sligo Rovers,
Shelbourne,
Finn Harps,
Galway United,
Bohemians,
Shams,
Waterford United,
Drogheda United.

Is it 10 or 12 that's supposed to be in it? If 12, then I'd include, Longford and Limerick too.
Fo a start Rovers have no facilities to begin with.

Drogheda and Harps have worse grounds then Inchicore the RCS is also a terriable place to watch football.

Pats also get decent enough crowds for the position we're in at the minute better then some of the clubs mentioned in the above and certainly better then Longford and Limerick.

So please stop talking ****e.

Thank you

[Dodge]

If it was introduced, on the basis of support, facilities etc. Who do you think would/should make the new league?

In no particular order, I think:

Cork City, Yep
Derry City,yep
Sligo Rovers,maybe
Shelbourne,Possibly
Finn Harps,Worst ground in league
Galway United,have been getting rubbish crowds for years now
Bohemians,maybe
Shams,{b]No ground, avg crowds well under 1,000 and thats with 6/7 dublin derbies[/b]
Waterford United,terrible ground, no fans
Drogheda United.[rubbish ground[/b]

Is it 10 or 12 that's supposed to be in it? If 12, then I'd include,
Longford no fans
and Limerick too.no groumd or fans
And being totally honst I'd rather Pats were in the LSL than be part of this ****e...

[Schumi]

It's fairly clear that Cork, Derry, Galway, Limerick, Waterford, Drogheda/Dundalk, Shelbourne and 1/2 other Dublin teams will be in. Sligo, Kilkenny, Longford or Athlone are the other possibles I suppose.

[sligoman]

Cork City, Yep
Derry City,yep
Sligo Rovers,maybe
Shelbourne,Possibly
Finn Harps,Worst ground in league
Galway United,have been getting rubbish crowds for years now
Bohemians,maybe
Shams,{b]No ground, avg crowds well under 1,000 and thats with 6/7 dublin derbies[/B]
Waterford United,terrible ground, no fans
Drogheda United.[rubbish ground[/B]

Is it 10 or 12 that's supposed to be in it? If 12, then I'd include,
Longford no fans
and Limerick too.no groumd or fansTheir is no way the FAI would leave Shams out of this, regardless of them not having a ground, they'd find a way of letting them in. Limerick, no ground yes but as for support, they have plenty of it considering their form etc. Harps(although they are getting a new ground) and Waterford after rethinking it, they probably wouldn't. Drogs have good support and their ground could improve with a little work. Galway would also get it, don't really see why they'd be guaranteed one but it'd happen.

[Partizan]

To the doom & gloom merchants:

A new 800 covered seater stand is going to start in the RSC towards the end of the upcoming season bringing the seating capacity to just under 2100. This will be in line with the other developments in the RSC which sees the erection of new toilets, turnstiles, all weather pitches and the relaying of the athletics track. When it is completed the RSC will be more than able to fulfill the UEFA licensing criteria.

[Passive]

Their is no way the FAI would leave Shams out of this, regardless of them not having a ground, they'd find a way of letting them in.

Yeah, because the FAI have been so great to us in the past :rolleyes:

The builders should get the nod to go back on site in Tallaght in February, which would give us one of the better grounds in the league. Couple that alongside our debt-free status, above board finances, massive youth structure, community work and marketability and I'd be fairly confident we'd get in on merit.

[sligoman]

Yeah, because the FAI have been so great to us in the past :rolleyes:I didn't want to bring this up again but eh yeah, they have.

[Magicme]

I dont agree with speculating on who will or wont get into a non existant league on the grounds that it will get everyone thinking that their club should get in and dull the debate on the actual structure.

[ThatGuy]

The 10/12 teams that should make it are the teams that occupy the highest spots in the most recent Eircom League Premier Division to the time of change. End of story.

[monutdfc]

Which is exactly what will happen - Delaney will make enough promises to enough clubs to get his proposals through

[Dodge]

The builders should get the nod to go back on site in Tallaght in February, which would give us one of the better grounds in the league.
But what if SDCC don't get the second tenant that they agreed to? And it can't be the GAA as the Dept. of Sport won't give any money to a project involving them. If SDCC or the FAI can't get Pats, Shels or Dublin City to move into tallaght, it might not go ahead...

[Passive]

If SDCC or the FAI can't get Pats, Shels or Dublin City to move into tallaght, it might not go ahead...

That is certainly not my understanding of the Tallaght deal.

[Dodge]

Did the SDCC not specify they needed two main tenants?

[NY Hoop]

Did the SDCC not specify they needed two main tenants?

Absolutely not. Paper talk.

Sligoman stay out of this you are clueless.

KOH

[Dodge]

No, I was told that by a guy who was that last meeting. Next meeting behind closed doors.

[Passive]

No, I was told that by a guy who was that last meeting. Next meeting behind closed doors.

Well, it's no secret that the Department and the FAI want you guys in Tallaght with us but I don't think completion of the stadium is hinging on your decision. There will be junior clubs sharing Tallaght with us anyway, my understanding is that we will be in Tallaght and then negotiations with you lads will begin.

[coislaoi]

The 10/12 teams that should make it are the teams that occupy the highest spots in the most recent Eircom League Premier Division to the time of change. End of story.

I don't often find myself agreeing with you but, yes, that is the only fair and equitable way to do it.

[Dodge]

Like I said it ws just that the SDCC agreed to it on the basis that it was to have 2 tenants there and they obviously had the GAA in mind. Then the D/Sport threw a spanner in so they have to look elsewhere. If we do move it'll be at the same time as you adn nuetral colours will prevail...

I'm totally against it BTW

[Bald Student]

The 10/12 teams that should make it are the teams that occupy the highest spots in the most recent Eircom League Premier Division to the time of change. End of story.With the only exception being a club who doesn't meet licensing. I'd have little problem if my club was relegated fot having a rubbish stadium if we were told exacly what was needed and the process was transparant. But relegating a club over something as vague as 'marketability' is not on.

[Poor Student]

I'd have little problem if my club was relegated fot having a rubbish stadium if we were told exacly what was needed and the process was transparant.

It would depend on the criteria. If it has turnstyles, toilets, a few hundred roofed seats, a gantry and dressing rooms I don't know what more could be looked for. I hear people going on about grounds lacking facilities but what do people want? A plush reception area at half time where a servant will bring you your smoking jacket and slippers while you enjoy your conjack and your cigar on your arm chair?

[Bald Student]

... a few hundred roofed seats...If you're aiming to improve the league so that corwds of a few thousand attend games the first thing is to have stadia capble of holding them. Belfield Park needs to be replaced. The UEFA licnese gives every club 5 years to do that. That process is fine, and could probably do with being speeded up. It's very different than what's being proposed now though.

[Poor Student]

We know that we've never going to need 2k seats at Belfield, why would we build them? This same dilemma appeared in the SPL. Clubs were required to have 10k seater stadia but clubs like Livingston and Inverness Caley are never going to fill that, at least not right away. In the end the SPL dumped the criteria.

[Roverstillidie]

Like I said it ws just that the SDCC agreed to it on the basis that it was to have 2 tenants there and they obviously had the GAA in mind. Then the D/Sport threw a spanner in so they have to look elsewhere. If we do move it'll be at the same time as you adn nuetral colours will prevail...

I'm totally against it BTW

that is totally different to everone elses understanding of the deal. we are due to be in this season coming.
the Dept have not 'thrown a spanner', their intervention wasnt a suprise and is very much in rovers favour.
why give us anchor tenant rights and look for a co-tenent?

[Bald Student]

We know that we've never going to need 2k seats at Belfield, why would we build them? This same dilemma appeared in the SPL. Clubs were required to have 10k seater stadia but clubs like Livingston and Inverness Caley are never going to fill that, at least not right away. In the end the SPL dumped the criteria.Our biggest crowd last season was 2,400. The season before it was 1,600. It's not unreasonable to expect to be able to put a roof over that many heads. The original, fudged, requirement was for 1,500 seats, minimum. For a small premier club like UCD that's about right, I think.

[pete]

Waterford & Harps wouldn't make top 12 based on support, catchment area or facilities.

[sligoman]

Sligoman stay out of this you are clueless.Yes sir!:rolleyes:.

[hoopy]

Their is no way the FAI would leave Shams out of this, .

I think it's around 5 weeks since you've managed to hide your bitterness towards us, well done:rolleyes:

[feo123]

We should definately get in!! we got 1500 supporters for every game last year and 3000-4000 for the last few games!
we have one top class new stand which seats around 1600 and another good stand which seats around 800! money may be a slight issue though...but with our new all-weather pitch giving us great revenue and if the crowds keep increasing we will get lots of money there too!

[gustavo]

good points feo and i do think that we would "qualify" but if we came bottom it would be unfair for us still to be in the prem.

[dcfcsteve]

A lot of clubs could take a leaf out of our book, and while we have a small crowd (we are only around for 5 seasons now) its growing steadly each and every season.

Grow up Breifne and stop the delusion.

Your club is AT LEAST 10 years old - stretching back to at least Home Farm Everton in 1995. A number of your own fans seem to have finally come to terms with that fact - so why can't you....? Changing your name doesn't change your history.

Time to cop-on fella.....

[LFC in Exile]

I wouldn't base it on support, but I would definitely base a lot of it on stadia. And in that case I would exclude Finn Harps and Waterford. I've never seen Drogs' ground but I've heard its not so good. Longford would def have to be included as they have a nice ground. But then again teams can always ground share so I'm not sure how that would work.

That provides a built-in advantage for Dublin teams e.g. Shamrock Rovers and Dublin City can rent out a better ground. Limerick/Waterford cannot.

[sullanefc]

That provides a built-in advantage for Dublin teams e.g. Shamrock Rovers and Dublin City can rent out a better ground. Limerick/Waterford cannot.

Thats true, and this is where Government funding comes in. If the government are going to help fund a Shels/Bohs groundshare and Sham Rovers new Tallaght ground then they should help clubs like Limerick and Waterford for the reason you posted.

[Mental Man]

Lads,just to let you know that work has already commenced on the upgrading of the RSC, there is a new 800 seater stand going on the opposite side ,new toilets, and new entrances from the Tramore link road and new offices also, the grassy mounds is being removed and an all weather training pitch is goin there, car parking is also being increased.
We are now officially permanent tenants in the RSC and thats why the club got the grants to build a new stand etc...
The corpo are doing their own thing with relaying the running track and putting up permanent fencing the whole way around also,
New floodlights are also going in and according to the Mayor recently on local radio they hope to be able to have U-21 international friendlies very shortly at the ground, so with those upgrades going on we should meet all the criteria ground wise for the new licensing requirements.:D

[Larry 'da' Wyse]

Vote for wildcard entry to the new top tier
Howsabout Athlone? New 6,000 seater stadium ready-to-go in August. With their tradition -and if they can make it into the top 2 in Div.1- they would be contenders.

[pineapple stu]

if they can make it into the top 2 in Div.1- they would be contenders.
If they can make it into the top 2, they should be contenders anyway. At least given the chance of a play-off to prove themselves. The proposal (or whatever you call it now it's been voted through) doesn't change that.

[sniffa]

There is, this season 12 teams in the Premier Division. If its being reduced to 10 for the 2007 season then the top 2 in the First Division at the end of the 2006 season will have very little advantage in being numbered 11 and 12.
If this change in structure was under the Eircom League,then 3 teams would go down and 1 go up or something similar.

[Poor Student]

There is, this season 12 teams in the Premier Division. If its being reduced to 10 for the 2007 season then the top 2 in the First Division at the end of the 2006 season will have very little advantage in being numbered 11 and 12.


That's what I don't understand. That quoted about them ranked 11th and 12th keeps cropping up yet it goes hand in hand with comments about the new league comprising only 10 teams.