Our best players right now. Stephhen Reid, Finnan and Given?

[Noelys Guitar]

In terms of playing consistently well for their clubs. Reid has been outstanding for Blackburn. Playing in the center of midfield and rarely giving the ball away. Getting stuck into tackles and making load of goals. Great to see and if he keeps playing consistently well then a huge plus for Ireland. Finnan has been playing well all season. I still can't understand how "skinny" Carr got into the Irish side ahead of Finnan. Given has been outstanding in every game for Newcastle. And with Robbie Keane, Dunne and of course Duff we have a good nucleus here for a real shot at qualifying for the Euros.

[gustavo]

S Reid has to be a cert for the next squad and is deffo pushing for a place in the team. Duff seems to be in indifferent form and seems to be in danger of losing his place in the team which is a worry .

[eirebhoy]

Duff seems to be in indifferent form and seems to be in danger of losing his place in the team which is a worry .
When you have Robben and Cole in the squad he'll always be in danger of losing his place but I think Mourinho thinks too highly of him to leave him in an Andy Reid type situation. It actually looked weird seeing Duff come off the bench last week as he's been starting so much when fit for the last year. Robben is suspended tomorrow and Duff really does have to grab his chance.

[gustavo]

well thats true but i feel that if cole keeps his amazing form this year and if robben can get back to where he was last year then duff might be in trouble but i cant see both of those events happening for too long. ( i hope ) :)

[FarBeag]

I have to agree on the assessment of S Reid, Finnan and Given. Finnan and Given in particular have being our most consistent players for their clubs and also with Ireland. I would also like to say that Graham Kavanagh is another who sticks out. Robbie on his day but need to be more consistent.

I know I will get crucified for this but I personally think that Duff has gone down hill. I have nothing but admiration for Duff and from the first time I saw him play I fell in love with his talent.He used to have everyone on the edge of their seat when he played for Blackburn Ireland and his first period in a Chelsea jersey.I loved watching him rip defences apart week in week out and make the Spanish defence look like Sunday league when he was the man of the match at the last world cup.I always knew that when Duff got the ball something good was going to happen.

He is a different type of player now,some might argue a better one but I liked the old Duff best of all.I don't care if Chelsea ever win another game and the only reason I watch them is because of Duff.To be honest the only thing I have seen him do for quite a while now is that back heel flick to Gallas from one of eirebhoys video clips.I hope he gets his chance tomorrow and plays a blinder but I am not so sure if we will see the football that kept us on the edge of our seats again.I hope i am proved wrong.

[Noelys Guitar]

I still think Duff has a lot more natural talent than Cole. And is at least as good as Robben if not better. Nothing new in a great player going stale for awhile. Watch Duff comeback to top form soon. He just needs to start enjoying his football again. And I believe that Staunton will get the best out of him for Ireland. A "large lad" up front coming through the ranks or through the granny rule wouldn't go amiss. Doherty is going backwards from a backwards position! We need someone who will complement Keane, Doyle, Elliot or whoever.

[eirebhoy]

FarBeag - I doubt you'll get crucified for that as most people will agree with you, I certainly do. This is posts by Chelsea fans after Duff came off the bench for his first appearance under Mourinho in 2004:

"Not playing Duff is crazy...stop playing Tiago and give Duff his chance."

"Duff be playing from the beginning even with a broken foot. that's how important duff should be."

"And Duff was awesome. It was just our strikers couldn't deal with the number of chances he created."

" i do think J.Cole has had his chance now and not taken so it is time for Duff."

"Damien Duff played excellent today. Lets hope Mourinho starts to use him down the left-flank from now on because he's been missed."

"Ratings

Cech 9 Ferreira 7 Carlvalho 6 terry 9 Bridge 8 Maka 6 Lampard 8 Tiago 7 Cole 8 Duff 10 Gudjohnsen 6 Drogba 5 Kezman 4"

"i dont think mourinho is fully aware of what duff is capable of."

That was a 30 minute appearance. 2 things that should be noted. One, look how highly rated he was by the Chelsea fans just into his 2nd season. Two, I remember that performance, I think it was against Southampton and he was absolutely world class, all 30 minutes of it. Nobody can blame Duff for the way he is playing, 110% of the blame should go to Mourinho imo. OK, he'll save Chelsea from conceding a few goals in the season but its wasting Duff's talent to make him play conservative football for the sake of being hard to break down.

The hope I cling onto is his world class performances in his last 3 friendlies for Ireland, he really needs to be allowed to play like that consistantly for Chelsea though. Mourinho wants his plays to use their brain more like the Barca players do but that's not Duff.

[Stuttgart88]

I'd add Kav too. But I'm quite encouraged by others' recent form too. Robbie is showing signs of form, Kevin Doyle, Dunne was outstanding against United (thouygh poor in other games - a big game, backs against the wall player?).

Kav & Reid central mid for me.

I've no worries whatsoever about Duff. The more I see Christiano Ronaldo the more I'm grateful Duff is Irish. I keep banging on about this but the quality of Duff's final ball is outstanding. Unfortunately for him Chelsea often only have one upfront (& it's Drogba) and we don't have great height upfront for Ireland. Neither Robben nor Duff is p;laying as well as he can, but Radio 5 Live often comment that not losing the ball is a mantra of Mourinho's & I agree. If Duff played fpor Liverpool....

[dr_peepee]

Agreed on Dunne... He defo needs a "Footballing" Centre half beside him...

Not sure if Steven Reid has cemented his role with Hughes. He seems to get benched every so often as opposed to Savage who starts every game when available. I've not seen as much as I'd have liked of Reid this season. From what I've seen is that he retains posession well but is not as progressive as I feel he should be. A favourite player of mine but has thus far flattered to deceive.

[Noelys Guitar]

Since Blackburn have gone on their recent roll of about 7 games Reid has been their top player with Pederson and Friedel. I also thought he wasn't progressing but having seen most of Blackburns recent games Reid has been outstanding. Exactly what the Irish team needs. He needs to keep this type of consistency and if he does then all the better for us.

[gustavo]

i think people are talking about club form at the moment new manager should = wipe the slate clean

[livehead1]

HTF did Stephen Reid make that list? He may have potential but he hasn't shown much for Ireland. HTe last game I saw him play was v Man U a while back and it wasn't pretty. Has he improved a lot?

saw stepehen reid on match of the day last night. Was only around a 5-10 minute clip of the game but 90% of the time when blackburn were breaking it was reid who was carrying the ball. He was very quick breaking from defence toe the oppositions box and ran past players at will. this is the best i have seen him play for a long time, and that is saying something as he had been in good form previously.

He is a cert. for the ireland squad and if he continues this form he will be a cert. for the starting line up, either in central midfield or that right hand side role.

Much of that will depend if Staunton sees fit to play o'brien, if thats the case maybe either himself or finnan will play right hand side of midfield.

[Stuttgart88]

yep, highlights of yesterday's game showed reid yet again putting in a good box to box performance. carried the ball almost effortlessly 50 yards+ on a few occasions.

[NeilMcD]

Given

Finnan Dunne O Brien Kilbane


(Vacant) Kavanagh Reid Duff



Keane Doyle

[Stuttgart88]

Yep, we've nobody playing well regularly in RHM at the moment though Steve Reid was RHM at the weekend. You could put Mark Kennedy at left-back and maybe add McGeady to RHM.

On club form Stephen Ireland & Joey O'Brien are near enough to the first XI. You'd almost have to drop Andy O'Brien altogether though he's one that for some reason seems well adapted to international football.

Until yesterday I thought O'Shea had been doing well for United but he was very careless yesterday.

[Tired&Emotional]

Thought Andy O'Brien was poor against Wigan on Saturday - found it tough against Sutton and Hesky

[ifk101]

I'd have Steven Reid on the right and bring Liam Miller into the centre. Rory Delap is another option on the right. Doyle (Coventry), Douglas (Leeds), Dunne (Millwall), Flood (ManC) and Rowlands (QPR) could possible be options on the right and should be given a run in the upcoming friendlies.

The area of most concern for me though is left full. If Clive Clarke gets a move away from West Ham he could be an option. Tierney at Livingston is another option - he was spoken of as a future international when he was at ManU. Other than that Harte and O'Shea have had their chances and it is questionable if they should have more in this position. I think the best option at the moment would be Kilbane and I'd like to see him playing there against Sweden.

[Tired&Emotional]

Miller got cramp last week against Wigan ffs - whatever about options for the right (?), don't think Miller is up to it at the moment, if ever..

Would to see Mark Kennedy get a call up - heard he played well at LB last week...

[TheJamaicanP.M.]

Given

Finnan Dunne O Brien Kilbane


(Vacant) Kavanagh Reid Duff



Keane Doyle

I'd be inclined to agree with this selection. Although he's not popular on this forum, I'd put Matt Holland on the right side of midfield. Both Kav and Reid like to get forward and Holland could tuck in and give us more defensive solidity. I wouldn't play Reid on the right wing as I feel he is constrained in this position. On the other hand, he is like a thoroughbred horse in the centre of the field.:D

[livehead1]

I'd be inclined to agree with this selection. Although he's not popular on this forum, I'd put Matt Holland on the right side of midfield. Both Kav and Reid like to get forward and Holland could tuck in and give us more defensive solidity. I wouldn't play Reid on the right wing as I feel he is constrained in this position. On the other hand, he is like a thoroughbred horse in the centre of the field.:D

Indeed Stephen Reid seems to like a bit of a gallop.

Secondly, Holland has been getting picked week in week out for Charlton now, did well in the 1-1 draw to Chelsea and regardless of some peoples opinions he has to be an option, hes still a decent player

[colster]

Given

Finnan Dunne O Brien Kilbane


(Vacant) Kavanagh Reid Duff



Keane Doyle


I'd like to see McGeady given a full game on the right hand side.

[eirebhoy]

With left back being a problem why not play Finnan there? He's a much better option than anyone else for that position and we have more solid players to play right back than we do left back.

[Paulie]

I'd like to see McGeady given a full game on the right hand side.


I agree. I know that he's been playing on the left side for Celtic but he seems to equally comfortable on either side and he's definitely worth a start in a few friendlies. With him on the right and duff on the left we'd have 2 wingers playing that are nearly as comfortable on their supposed weak side as they are on their stronger side. They could swap sides to great effect during the course of matches just to keep the opposition full backs on their toes. I know this is something we tried under Kerr with varying degrees of success but the difference here is that he was trying it with Kilbane or more often Andy Reid. Both of these players are very one sided which diminished the attacking threat if they were attacking down the right side during the course of a match. If the defender has to face a player that is equally comfortable on either side it poses him with a much more difficult situation. I don't think it should be underestimated how much of a plus having 2 wingers on the opposing flanks that are so comfortable on either foot could be to us.

[youngirish]

Stick Joey O'Brien on the right side of midfield

[as_i_say]

Mcgeady for right midfield surely?

[Tired&Emotional]

Mcgeady for right midfield surely?

Definetly in with a big shout.....

[shakermaker1982]

Given

Finnan Dunne ? O Shea

J O Brien Ireland S Reid Duff

Robbie Keane Doyle


My new look Ireland team, 3 new starters and I'd throw them straight in. I'd have O'Shea over Kilbane any day at LB which doesn't say much about either player.

I'm not sold on O'Brien at the back, this is one position we do need reinforcing.

[eirebhoy]

While Dunne has had the more outstanding games, O'Brien has never set a foot wrong for Ireland and doesn't deserved to be dropped.

[tetsujin1979]

Given

Finnan Dunne ? O Shea

J O Brien Ireland S Reid Duff

Duff Doyle


My new look Ireland team, 3 new starters and I'd throw them straight in. I'd have O'Shea over Kilbane any day at LB which doesn't say much about either player.

I'm not sold on O'Brien at the back, this is one position we do need reinforcing.

Errr, much as I'd like 2 Duffs, we've only got the one!

[shakermaker1982]

sorry must be still asleep I meant Robbie Keane!!!

[shakermaker1982]

While Dunne has had the more outstanding games, O'Brien has never set a foot wrong for Ireland and doesn't deserved to be dropped.


I'm just going on club form. I've seen O'Brien as solid as a rock and then other games he's rocking and is a huge liability. Dunne is not the quickest defender in the world but he has been outstanding for City this season. Have we got any young lads coming through that might play at CB? Any Paul McGrath offspring ready to wear the green shirt? Fingers crossed!!

[eirebhoy]

We have Paddy McCarthy and Paul McShane but I'd prefer to stick with O'Brien until he puts a foot wrong for us. He has been doing well for Pompey this season. He wasn't great against Birmingham but Chris Sutton could make any defender look bad. ;)

[Poor Student]

I think McGeady could have a great role as an impact sub in the next campaign.

[dcfc_dee]

mc geady changed the game when he came on for celtic against motherwell i feel this is what is needed

[Littlest Hobo]

Heading over for the game aginast Sweden. I hope Stan starts the following team, which is a mixture of youth and experience.

Given

J O'Brien Dunne A O'Brien O'Shea

Finnan S Reid Ireland Duff

Keane Doyle

[Dublin12]

For Sewden I'd go with:

Given

Finnan
Dunne(Capt)
O'Brien
O'Shea

McGeady
S.Reid
G.Kavanagh
Duff

K.Doyle
R.Keane

I'd like to see..S.Ireland, P.McCarthy,J.O'Brien,play some part against the Sewdes.

[Littlest Hobo]

For Sewden I'd go with:

Given

Finnan
Dunne(Capt)
O'Brien
O'Shea

McGeady
S.Reid
G.Kavanagh
Duff

K.Doyle
R.Keane

I'd like to see..S.Ireland, P.McCarthy,J.O'Brien,play some part against the Sewdes.

Fair enuff, either mine above or this team would give sweden a good game.

[livehead1]

I'm just going on club form. I've seen O'Brien as solid as a rock and then other games he's rocking and is a huge liability. Dunne is not the quickest defender in the world but he has been outstanding for City this season. Have we got any young lads coming through that might play at CB? Any Paul McGrath offspring ready to wear the green shirt? Fingers crossed!!

you obviously dont see enough of the premiership this season. By his own standards and the standards of premiership defenders Dunne has had a very poor season, has been beaten my many attackers and has also been hesitant. However Richard Dunne may not be, as you correctly say, the quickest defender in the world, but he is very quick and as quick as most strikers, hes exceptional over a few yards in most situations, i think people automatically think hes big so hes slow.

[Condex]

Given

Finnan Dunne O Brien Kilbane


(Vacant) Kavanagh Reid Duff



Keane Doyle

Whats the point in that, looks very like the same players who have failed
miserably in the last 3 years..:confused:

Time to try out some new faces!!

[Tired&Emotional]

Given

Finnan Dunne O Brien Kilbane


(Vacant) Kavanagh Reid Duff



Keane Doyle




Whats the point in that, looks very like the same players who have failed
miserably in the last 3 years..:confused:

Time to try out some new faces!!


Well Doyler's in there and the rest are on the bench!!

Don't think you could throw in all the new faces from the off in fairness - they'll need time to grow into the squad and then the starting 11...imo

[NeilMcD]

Well Doyle is in their and you could harldy say that Stephen Reid has been part of the set up over the last few years in relation to competitive games. Judging by form etc thats the team I would play and then bring in O Brien, Ireland and Mc Geady off the bench or start a couple of them at a time.

[shakermaker1982]

you obviously dont see enough of the premiership this season. By his own standards and the standards of premiership defenders Dunne has had a very poor season, has been beaten my many attackers and has also been hesitant. However Richard Dunne may not be, as you correctly say, the quickest defender in the world, but he is very quick and as quick as most strikers, hes exceptional over a few yards in most situations, i think people automatically think hes big so hes slow.

Dunne has played well in all the games I've seen him play this season (only on Sky but the City fans are happy with him as is Pearcey). Distin and Richard have looked solid overall as a pair. Dunne is never gonna be a world class defender and I don't expect him to be at that level every week but any guy who can keep Rooney out of the game like he did when they beat Man Utd cannot be underestimated.

Dunne is slowish on the turn though, when your playing top class internationals like Henry this can make all the difference.

[Stuttgart88]

Just my tuppence's worth and I quite like Dunne: I think he's been really poor for City this year. Well below the standard he showed last season. However his performance against United was top class. paul_oshea repeatedly says on this board that Dunne never seems to play a mistake free game & I tend to agree. But he regularly has the measure of Rooney which can't be a bad thing. I think Dunne's a good big game / backs against the wall defender. I think he often loses concentration in lesser games.

There'll be a big responsibility on him & O'Brien in the next year. O'Shea is probably next in line & then Breen or McCarthy. McCarthy's development will be critical for us I think.

[eirebhoy]

Heading over for the game aginast Sweden. I hope Stan starts the following team, which is a mixture of youth and experience.

Given

J O'Brien Dunne A O'Brien O'Shea

Finnan S Reid Ireland Duff

Keane Doyle
I'd swap Finnan and O'Brien around. Also, S.Reid and Ireland in the middle might be caught out. At club level Reid has Mokoena/Tugay/Savage as more defensive players, Ireland has Barton covering. Neither player has played as the defensive player in the centre of midfield for their clubs yet afaik.

For the Sweden match I'd go with:
...............Given..................
Kelly...Dunne...O'Brien...Finnan
O'Brien...Kav...S.Reid....Duffer
...........Keane...Doyle...........

[Colbert Report]

why does nobody have Harte starting at left back?? why not? finnan on the right side, o'brien and cunningham in the middle, and harte on the left.

then you have kavanaugh and s reid in the middle, a reid and duff on the wings, and keane and doyle up front.

[Stuttgart88]

cunningham in the middle
Force of habit? :)

[macdermesser]

why does nobody have Harte starting at left back?? why not? finnan on the right side, o'brien and cunningham in the middle, and harte on the left.

then you have kavanaugh and s reid in the middle, a reid and duff on the wings, and keane and doyle up front.

because harte can't defend, falls asleep in games doesn't track back etc etc.

[Metrostars]

Wow, this thread shows how much Andy Reid's stock has fallen in the last 6-9 months. No mention of him at all. It's a shame whats happened to him this season at Spurs.

[Stuttgart88]

I don't think he'd be that far off if he was getting a game. The original theme of the thread was asking who are our best players on the basis of playing consistently well for their clubs so that's why he didn't figure in any of the earlier comments.

[AustinoAsprilla]

I hate to admit it but I think Alan Mahon has done really well this season for Wigan. Never a fan but on form at mo... I think our midfield is our weakest link at the mo and would be inclined to include O'Shea in there. But maybe having Keane (or Duff) in behind two strikers, say Doyle and Elliot, for Sweden game would be good to see.