Granny Rule candidates [Archive] - Page 2

CraftyToePoke

18/01/2006, 1:46 PM

Regardless of who he plays for he's utter crap. Never liked him at all.

ill go along with that stutt, but he does have the link and i think there was speculation about him during the Kerr era, will be interesting to see Stans take on it.

now... im going purely on surname here but does anyone know of the existence of a green granny for any of the following?

Gavin McCann
Gareth Barry
David Dunn
Michael Carrick
Aaron Lennon

it would be better to net a couple of these rather than lower league players if we are going to take this approach

colster

18/01/2006, 1:54 PM

ill go along with that stutt, but he does have the link and i think there was speculation about him during the Kerr era, will be interesting to see Stans take on it.

now... im going purely on surname here but does anyone know of the existence of a green granny for any of the following?

Gavin McCann
Gareth Barry
David Dunn
Michael Carrick
Aaron Lennon

it would be better to net a couple of these rather than lower league players if we are going to take this approach

I think all of them bar lennon have played for the English Senior side.

tetsujin1979

18/01/2006, 2:40 PM

Frannie (fox in the rangers box) Jeffers has a green granny AFAIK, your thoughts ladies and gentlemen.........please??:D ;)
He has an England senior cap. And he's crap.
He's quite possibly the only Arsenal player universally hated by every single Arsenal fan I know!
<EDIT>
The england cap was against Australia, he scored the consolation goal in a 3-1 defeat. Still crap though

Dassa

18/01/2006, 3:44 PM

Alex Bruce ? Birmingham (Steve's son???)
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Was called up by our(NI)u21 last year but ended up pulling out. Not sure what the reason was.

Den Perry

18/01/2006, 3:54 PM

Regardless of who he plays for he's utter crap. Never liked him at all.

so is his horse

Den Perry

18/01/2006, 3:57 PM

ill go along with that stutt, but he does have the link and i think there was speculation about him during the Kerr era, will be interesting to see Stans take on it.

now... im going purely on surname here but does anyone know of the existence of a green granny for any of the following?

Gavin McCann
Gareth Barry
David Dunn
Michael Carrick
Aaron Lennon

it would be better to net a couple of these rather than lower league players if we are going to take this approach

Think Gareth Barry has a full cap for England. Good left back though

OwlsFan

18/01/2006, 4:01 PM

Correct:
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Birmingham manager Steve Bruce has signed his son, Alex, from Blackburn Rovers. Bruce Jnr is a current U21 international, qualifying because of a Northern Irish grandmother. He has signed a two and a half year contract, but will first see out his current loan deal at Oldham, which ends in March. Alex can play in central defence or midfield.
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He went on loan to Sheffield Wednesday. He's a stick. Any man who signs his son from other club and who is brutal deserves to get the sack. Nepotism - I hate it.

zinedineontour

18/01/2006, 4:17 PM

As a Sunderland fan Liam Lawrence should be a shoe in into the squad. . Has been in excellent form as of late as is starting to score a few as well .. Could solve our problem on the right of midfield .. Andy reid has not figured much so Lawrence will hopefully be given a run ...

sligoman

18/01/2006, 4:48 PM

Here we go again.. please sligoman lets stay out of it! My nephew isnt spanish because he was born on holidays.. ;)Like I said, I think we discussed this before so I'm not gonna talk about it anymore:D Jos�:p.

Plastic Paddy

18/01/2006, 4:59 PM

Like I said, I think we discussed this before so I'm not gonna talk about it anymore

We'll win you round eventually, you'll see. ;) :D

:ball: PP

gustavo

18/01/2006, 5:11 PM

i dont thhink we should go cap in hand for any of these players , if they did have irish lineage surely they would have declared for us a long time ago if they did feel any irish affinity

Patrick Dunne

18/01/2006, 6:33 PM

Surely there must be some Irish connection ?
Grandfather ?

SaucyJack

18/01/2006, 6:40 PM

Surely there must be some Irish connection ?
Grandfather ?
I think "Liam"( as well as Kieran and Conor) is just becoming a common name now, like Brian or Kevin, and generally doesn't denote any Irish connections.

gustavo

18/01/2006, 8:30 PM

carrick definetly does anyway and is a good bet to go to the world cup with them

Soper

18/01/2006, 9:02 PM

I'll come clean lads

Stan rang me up today, sourcing me out to see if I was eligible to play for the team and seeing if I would be up for bamboozling the opposition.

I'm considering it.

IsMiseSean

18/01/2006, 11:22 PM

What about Patrick Kohlmann at Dortmund, was he already in the U21 squad last year?

SwindonIrish

18/01/2006, 11:24 PM

Rory Fallon, England U-17 international, born in New Zealand, likley to play for NZ in future

Metrostars

18/01/2006, 11:44 PM

List of all players in MLS:
http://www.mlsnet.com/MLS/players/
Of those I'm pretty sure who have not been capped with Irish sounding names (dont know if they actually qualify):

Michael Bradley (defensive midfielder who has just joined a teamin Holland)
Jon Conway goalkeeper
Jim Curtin center back
Mike Magee midfielder/forward
David Mahony gk
Danny O'Rourke defensive midfielder
Michael Parkhurst center-back(parents from Ireland)
Tim Regan full back

O'Rourke, Bradley and Parkhurst are very good young players, the rest are so-so.

Qwerty

19/01/2006, 12:11 AM

I don't think McSheffrey is eligible, he played for England at U20 level and is now 23. The fact that he represented England is enough for me and I don't mean that negatively.

To be honest as we have so much young talent coming through I would almost prefer Stan to try and find some mature players through the granny rule as I think we need a bit of maturity and leadership, another Townsend would be very nice, thank you vm.

Tenderloins

19/01/2006, 8:36 AM

I see in this mornings Indo that Readings David Kitson doesn't believe in "The Granny Rule", so thats him out .

Greenbod

19/01/2006, 9:42 AM

I see in this mornings Indo that Readings David Kitson doesn't believe in "The Granny Rule", so thats him out .

Just read that piece in the Indo. You've got to admire the guy's principles.

pete

19/01/2006, 10:25 AM

I see in this mornings Indo that Readings David Kitson doesn't believe in "The Granny Rule", so thats him out .

Huge respect for Kitson not using dubious irish link thats over 100 years old.

I also read in the Indo with embarishment the way Staunton is touting the irish international team to anyone worldwide with any link. I also thought it was pathetic the way he asking football fans to alert him in Australia & the US. If he doesn't have a good enough scouting network himself then he shouldn't be manager. Looking for players in Australia is an insult to the eL.

Hither green

19/01/2006, 10:32 AM

I also read in the Indo with embarishment the way Staunton is touting the irish international team to anyone worldwide with any link. I also thought it was pathetic the way he asking football fans to alert him in Australia & the US. If he doesn't have a good enough scouting network himself then he shouldn't be manager. Looking for players in Australia is an insult to the eL.

I agree with you there. Fine let's use the granny rule like we've done in the past but we don't need to advertise the fact. It's one thing to take advantage of the rule but peddling the green shirts to anyone with an Irish connection just adds to riddicule we normally receive. It was bad enough him mentioning it at the press conference...

Kingdom

19/01/2006, 10:33 AM

Huge respect for Kitson not using dubious irish link thats over 100 years old.

I also read in the Indo with embarishment the way Staunton is touting the irish international team to anyone worldwide with any link. I also thought it was pathetic the way he asking football fans to alert him in Australia & the US. If he doesn't have a good enough scouting network himself then he shouldn't be manager. Looking for players in Australia is an insult to the eL.

Yes he doesn't come across as the subtle type! While it is necessary in our case to some degree to source players, it is bullsh!t to ask fans to alert him. Fully agree with what you say Pete.

Tenderloins

19/01/2006, 10:38 AM

Kingdom

19/01/2006, 10:41 AM

Staunton is trying to dig up as many players as possible. Of course not all will be International standard.
There are plenty of Americans and Australians playing in Europe too don't forget. The more players available the better.
I don't think anyone is disputing that. But if they are employing as professional a set up as possible then the scouts surely should have all the angles covered anyway.
Just look at Patrick Kohlmann who played in a few of the underage squads while living in Germany. Dortmund he played for I think?
Also didn't the youth set-up recruit a Dutch keeper (U-17?) who had no resemblence of an Irish name a year or two ago.

pete

19/01/2006, 10:43 AM

There are plenty of Americans and Australians playing in Europe too don't forget. The more players available the better.

If they are not good enough for those countries how could they be good enough for us?

IMO major own-goal by Staunton but what do you expect when he basically a trainee manager.

Lou Macari has already said he scouted the UK & there weren't many players better than current squad. Obviously Staunton might have a different opinion on some players but its ludicrous to think will find a star no one hard of already.

I think this is just part of a process of not accepting that current squad is as good as we have so we bring in new players & takes a year to figure out they crap too.

Rory H

19/01/2006, 10:56 AM

why was the criticism of the stars so strong

all he said was he didnt think footballers who arent irish shouldnt play for ireland......

its hardly ridiculous even in the age of some brazilian claiming to be japanese:rolleyes:

1 of the players being touted

kevin nolan:will not declare he is "irish" because he is waiting to see if england will take him first

a lot of the others are similar to that

dave kitson doesnt believe in the granny rule,good for him

i could play for northern ireland or england[:D ] but if lawrie sanchez or sven goran errikson came to my door id just sven,put your clothes back on and get out of my room,im selling my story

i dont agree fully with what he said,but i didnt feel as strongly as you lads did[probably cos we'r just friends:) ]

and that guy that called him a w@nker

well foot.ie is the strictest boards ive ever known so god knows how that got through,too much flirting with sligoman mods...but anyway that guy is a kn0b:}

thank you !

see you on the road

Tenderloins

19/01/2006, 11:17 AM

Staunton wont get too many players that are up to international standard at the minute, but what he may get are players that will develop into international players.

lopez

19/01/2006, 11:47 AM

why was the criticism of the stars so strongMine was that he made a statement that was insulting to people who consider themselves Irish, whom the state considers themselves Irish and quite a few people in the country of birth, but have never lived in Ireland. Fact is I have the same passport as you or him and didn't have to go through declarations of allegience, citizenship tests, etc. He wasn't having a pop at opportunist cap baggers, which if he did, I'd have no problem with. He's had over a 1000 posts on here. He knows that 2G Irish frequent the board. Why make such a statement and expect no reaction?

Oh and BTW, you're sounding a bit of kn0b yourself too.

Rory H

19/01/2006, 11:49 AM

Mine was that he made a statement that was insulting to people who consider themselves Irish, whom the state considers themselves Irish and quite a few people in the country of birth, but have never lived in Ireland. Fact is I have the same passport as you or him and didn't have to go through declarations of allegience, citizenship tests, etc. He wasn't having a pop at opportunist cap baggers, which if he did, I'd have no problem with. He's had over a 1000 posts on here. He knows that 2G Irish frequent the board. Why make such a statement and expect no reaction?

Oh and BTW, you're sounding a bit of kn0b yourself too.

i think you're more deluded that him tbh

NeilMcD

19/01/2006, 11:55 AM

I agree with Lopez as I thought The Stars comments were out of order too. Not sure how you can find Wild Rovers post deluded.

The Stars

19/01/2006, 1:23 PM

Great to see freedom of speech is till alive and well on this board.
This is obviously an issue close to your heart lopez and if i have offended you then im sorry.
But im not going to go back on my earlier comment as this is my opinion and im sticking to it.

NeilMcD

19/01/2006, 1:27 PM

has anybody stopped you from speaking or posting on the board. U can't claim the freedom of speech argument as nobody as stopped you from posting just some have unwisely called you unsavoury names. Also freedom of speech is not infinite. With freedeom of speech comes responsibility. I am not sure people on this forum would agree that we should have totall freedom of speech.

Your post was attached not just cause it was offensive but also cause it lacked any intellectual back up or did not contribute to an intelligent debate.

The Stars

19/01/2006, 1:39 PM

has anybody stopped you from speaking or posting on the board.
No thats why i said its great to see freedom of speech is still alive and well:confused:

Now im off to visit my mother....who is English BTW.....do you want to comment about that?

CraftyToePoke

19/01/2006, 1:43 PM

heres Staunton from eleven a side about potential recruits

Reading, Coventry stars to earn Irish approach

January 18, 2006

Free-scoring Reading striker Dave Kitson and Coventry City playmaker Gary McSheffrey will both be approached about the possibility of declaring for the Republic of Ireland, new Irish boss Steve Staunton has revealed.

Kitson has formed a potent alliance with Irish youngster Kevin Doyle for the Royals this season, the pair plundering 24 league goals between them to spur Steve Coppell�s side nine points clear at the top of the Coca-Cola Championship table.

McSheffrey has likewise been in good form for his hometown club Coventry City, playing all but one of the Sky Blues� 29 league games and scoring eight times.

Staunton made it clear earlier this week that he would implement the �granny rule� in a bid to boost his options, with Swansea City�s Lee Trundle and an as yet unnamed Aston Villa youngster also linked with Irish careers.

The new boss said: �I�ll speak to Dave Kitson in the near future and see what his position is. Lee is scoring goals, is 29 and you never know what will happen. I�m not ruling anybody out at this stage.

�Gary McSheffrey also qualifies so he�s another lad we must take a close look at over the coming weeks and months.

�[New Irish coach] Kevin McDonald is already checking out a young lad at Villa at the moment to see what his position is. He�s from Australia but has Irish connections.�

Rory H

19/01/2006, 1:43 PM

No thats why i said its great to see freedom of speech is still alive and well:confused:

Now im off to visit my mother....who is English BTW.....do you want to comment about that?

gary doherty might need to worry about his place if she can head a ball:D

The Stars

19/01/2006, 3:39 PM

, have you been outside of sligo? The only advice i can give you, apart from making such bigoted comments, is to get out of sligo and go and meet some of the irish diaspora in places like england and the such like and then make your conclusions as to how 'irish' they are compared to your wonderful self.
ya i went up the north once to do the shopping......

i have been in London plenty of times,have cousins in Wellin Garden City who have Irish blood but consider themselfs English.
Glad to see you regard me as "wonderful"....although im not gay so sorry.

Dodge

19/01/2006, 5:31 PM

Lads, can we not have another one of these endless ****ing citizenship/entitlement/granny rule arguments. we've been over it a thousand times and this one added nothing new to it. Keep it to debating the players mentioned or the thread gets locked

lopez

19/01/2006, 6:35 PM

i think you're more deluded that him tbhIn what way? Calling Stars a w*nker, you a kn0b, or myself Irish?

FarBeag

19/01/2006, 8:13 PM

To the two Sligo boys...I have the utmost respect for the guys on here who were born in England and classify them as Irish and in my eyes are as Irish as you and I.I have two children born in England and they are likewise just as Irish as you and I. If the grew up stating they were English, I would be very disappointed but I would not think any different off them..If your cousins in England choose to be English, then that’s their choice. So grow up and have a bit of respect for people.