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BohsPartisan
26/01/2007, 1:46 PM
Aww I'm dissapointed I was itching for a scrap on this one.

:D

jebus
26/01/2007, 2:47 PM
Aww I'm dissapointed I was itching for a scrap on this one.

:D

I'll get back to you when I'm not so tired :)

Lionel Ritchie
26/01/2007, 4:09 PM
Jebus -just to pull you up on something ...Hitler may or may not have been personally religious but he most certainly realised the power of religion in keeping his underlings tight, concentrated and focused.

Young German women were given a handbook explaining what their role was in Nazi society was to be and it was headed "Children, Kitchen, Church".

Goering expounded that the only way they could walk the German nation into a war with the USSR was to convince them there was a real danger of an imminent attack (sound familiar?) from the Godless Bolshevik east.

On the God Delusion -I appreciate that Dawkins tone can come across as undiplomatic, elitist even, at times. But he warns in the foreword that the gloves are off and he has no intention of affording the degree of unquestioning respect that organised religion of pretty much every hue gets elsewhere.

I personnally love this book already. At one point he says he's been asked does religions contributions to the worlds cultures count for nought and namechecks 'The Golden Bough' and a couple of other titles exploring the religions of the world ..."go ahead and read them all", he implores, "...and marvel at the richness and diversity of human gullability". :p

jebus
29/01/2007, 12:05 PM
Jebus -just to pull you up on something ...Hitler may or may not have been personally religious but he most certainly realised the power of religion in keeping his underlings tight, concentrated and focused.

Young German women were given a handbook explaining what their role was in Nazi society was to be and it was headed "Children, Kitchen, Church".

Goering expounded that the only way they could walk the German nation into a war with the USSR was to convince them there was a real danger of an imminent attack (sound familiar?) from the Godless Bolshevik east.


But just because the Nazi's exploited peoples religious beliefs doesn't mean that this was an act of religion. From my reading of Hitler's views on religion he realised that he could use it as a tool to help win over some of his doubters, but that ultimately he wanted to take it out of everyday German life, because devotion to God took away from devotion to the State.

And Goering wasn't the only one to use the Godless Bolshevik theory to turn people against Russians, American propoganda in the 50s often refereed to them as Godless, whilst showing these crazed half humans stalking the land

BohsPartisan
29/01/2007, 2:43 PM
But just because the Nazi's exploited peoples religious beliefs doesn't mean that this was an act of religion.

I think he just meant that the Hitler was an atheist thing isn't exactly true. He was just against any centre of power he didn't control himself.

jebus
29/01/2007, 2:48 PM
I think he just meant that the Hitler was an atheist thing isn't exactly true. He was just against any centre of power he didn't control himself.

So he was, I think I was just throwing that allegation around because I've heard it before, that Hitler was a Christian when he was born and so he stands against Christian upbringing, which I find to be a rubbish point