Experience not vital for national job � Delaney [Archive]

R�iteoir

12/01/2006, 9:36 AM

http://www.elevenaside.com/boysingreen/irish_soccer_detail.asp?newsid=20669

Experience not vital for national job – Delaney

January 11, 2006

Football Association of Ireland Chief Executive John Delaney has declared that a lack of top-level management experience is not as essential for an international job as it would be to take up a high-profile club job.

Delaney headed the three-man subcommittee which looks to have settled on Steve Staunton as the next Irish manager, with former England boss Bobby Robson set to join as special adviser.

The chief criticism of the choice – which is set to be confirmed next week – is Staunton’s lack of dug-out experience; he is just five months into a player-coach role at League One side Walsall.

Delaney attended a function in Kerry on Tuesday night and while he stopped short of naming Staunton, he insisted a lack of experience should be no barrier to the next Irish boss doing a solid job.

The FAI CEO is quoted in Wednesday’s Irish Daily Star as saying: “Experience is not vital because managing an international team is different to managing in the Premiership where you can buy and sell players. We can only use the players that are available to us, so to motivate them was one thing.

“The other aspect was to be able to make tactical adjustments during a game and to be able to vary your style of football depending on whether you are away or at home.”

Lionel Ritchie

12/01/2006, 9:39 AM

So why the fcuk didn't i get called to interview back in 1995?

Jerry The Saint

12/01/2006, 10:20 AM

http://www.elevenaside.com/boysingreen/irish_soccer_detail.asp?newsid=20669

Experience not vital for national job � Delaney

January 11, 2006

The FAI CEO is quoted in Wednesday�s Irish Daily Star as saying: �Experience is not vital because managing an international team is different to managing in the Premiership where you can buy and sell players. We can only use the players that are available to us, so to motivate them was one thing.

�The other aspect was to be able to make tactical adjustments during a game and to be able to vary your style of football depending on whether you are away or at home.�

Again with the Premiership! It's his only frame of reference for club football - he's said this before about how it's not like "The Premiership" where you have to play games every week. Talk about OBSESSED! ;)

wallis

12/01/2006, 10:39 AM

"experience isnt vital"

what utter garbage - no wonder we are a laughing stock with tubes like this running it. Nothing against Mr Staunton but being 'defence manager' at Walsall is a far cry from International football. At least with Rijkard, Klinsman, Van Basten etc they worked under a coach and were brought along. In fact the comparissons to Klinsman are irrelevant as he will have had 2 years of teaching by the time he plays his first competitive game in June.

�The other aspect was to be able to make tactical adjustments during a game and to be able to vary your style of football depending on whether you are away or at home.�

Right ,so you think a guy with zero experience will be able to make those tactical adjustments ?

I thought the charges levelled at Kerr were that he didnt have the experience and made tactical errors. This is becoming a bigger farce by the day.

macdermesser

12/01/2006, 10:45 AM

drummerboy

12/01/2006, 10:49 AM

I wonder if Fran Rooney had kept his job how things would have panned out..
I thought Delaney was only keeping the seat warm until the association found another CEO ..

you can imagine my shock when I heard that his temporary appointment as CEO had become permanent:rolleyes:

Well, it was obvious from the start the Delaney wanted the top job. Thats the reason he stabbed Rooney in the back. I thought Rooney was making progress.

Tired&Emotional

12/01/2006, 11:06 AM

Yet to be proved of course but one of BKs' failings was, in some peoples' eyes, was that he was too defensive, cautious....
Forgive me for being pedantic but does this new appointment not point to a similar style?

Schlooooomp

12/01/2006, 11:08 AM

Stuttgart88

12/01/2006, 11:09 AM

It's almost like saying success isn't one of the performance benchmarks.

Den Perry

12/01/2006, 11:19 AM

Delaney is now trying to cover his tracks, he stated after Kerr's contract was not renewed that high level experirnce was vital. My thoughts are that after been rebuffed by any half decent canidate Delaney has turned to Staunton in the hope that because he is Ireland's most capped player he is above criticism. I think that he must be reading George W. Bush's playbook.

Surely this "Board of management2 that we read about on the Evenin Hedald last night must be extremely upset at what is going on and with the way Delaney has conducted this.....maybe his desire to see Staunton installed will cost him on a personal level?

colster

12/01/2006, 11:36 AM

It's almost like saying success isn't one of the performance benchmarks.

Name a viable alternative who is a successful manager? The FAI have no money. We can't afford a really successful manager. They can only afford a manager on the way up or past his best.

pete

12/01/2006, 12:06 PM

Name a viable alternative who is a successful manager? The FAI have no money. We can't afford a really successful manager. They can only afford a manager on the way up or past his best.

With the combined salaries they supposed to be giving the team team they could easily get an experienced coach for what is essentially a part-time job.

thejollyrodger

12/01/2006, 12:25 PM

Tired&Emotional

12/01/2006, 12:25 PM

With the combined salaries they supposed to be giving the team team they could easily get an experienced coach for what is essentially a part-time job.

Yep, I heard something in the region of eur 750,000...:confused:

geysir

12/01/2006, 12:37 PM

With the combined salaries they supposed to be giving the team team they could easily get an experienced coach for what is essentially a part-time job.
Is the combined salaries this time much different than last time? Do you think Hughton offered his services pro bono?

colster

12/01/2006, 12:51 PM

With the combined salaries they supposed to be giving the team team they could easily get an experienced coach for what is essentially a part-time job.

Name one. How many clubs will allow a manager to do that. Middlesborough had problems with McClaren working for England. If it were so easy to get a manager on a part time basis why isn't everyone doing it?

colster

12/01/2006, 12:55 PM

I suppose this move by the FAIlure is all about being brave. There was two options they could have taken, one was going for the experienced manager , the other was going for the new guy a la Peirce who would really shake the team up.

I think Stan will add passion to this side and its something that has been missing for years. Its one of our best assists and may well be all we need. I hope it all works out for him

Maybe they are being foresighted and planning for the future. Robson is pretty old and must be very near retiring. So they get Staunton as well and have Robson groom/advise him. Seems very logical to me. I think England are doing something similar with Eriksson and McClaren and IIRC France have also done it.

geysir

12/01/2006, 12:58 PM

Name a viable alternative who is a successful manager? The FAI have no money. We can't afford a really successful manager. They can only afford a manager on the way up or past his best.
The only viable one I can think of was George Burley.
He became available at the right time. Appeared to be a good /ideal candidate, I wonder if he was contacted.

other than that
I was never impressed by Fran Rooney, imo a total spoofer with no substance who cost a feckin' fortune.
Last time a football man did the interviewing, it had dodgy merits.
it depends on how it is set up.
Otherwise I am not really that fussed by the untimely leaks over this. I am pretty sure they have come from the executives who had to give the go ahead for the recomendations.

colster

12/01/2006, 1:04 PM

The only viable one I can think of was George Burley.
He became available at the right time. Appeared to be a good /ideal candidate, I wonder if he was contacted.

Burley would have been a good choice but there were a number of clubs looking at him at the time.

dublinred

12/01/2006, 1:09 PM

Waht a load of crap n, i cna't believe the amount of muppets/ trip junkies in the FAI , who the hell appoints them and how the hell can we remove them.

Jerry The Saint

12/01/2006, 1:48 PM

I think England are doing something similar with Eriksson and McClaren

Not really. England doing something similar would involve making David Seaman manager and appointing Howard Wilkinson as his advisor! :D

eirebhoy

12/01/2006, 1:48 PM

I wonder if Fran Rooney had kept his job how things would have panned out..
Rooney wouldn't have had a say. No matter what position Delaney has at the FAI he seems to be part of the panel to appoint a new manager. How the hell can an accountant (I think that's what he is) be the main man in the hunt for the most important football job on the island? Off topic but Rooney brought my nephew and his friend into the dressing room after the Romania match where they got to chat with all the players from Roy Keane to Nicky Colgan. I can just imagine Delaney do such a thing. :rolleyes: God I hate that man.

DubJohn

12/01/2006, 2:05 PM

People, don't forget Staunton has a 100% record. He has never lost a game in his managerial career...

pete

12/01/2006, 2:13 PM

People, don't forget Staunton has a 100% record. He has never lost a game in his managerial career...

I think thats what swung it for him...

Stuttgart88

12/01/2006, 2:24 PM

We can't afford a really successful manager.
That much I agree. It's just that they raised expectations beforehand. My beef is more with the way this appointment has been handled and how it's come into the public domain. I'm also disappointed that the division of responsibility is purely the subject of speculation and it's made me nervous.

Jerry The Saint

12/01/2006, 2:27 PM

I think thats what swung it for him...

The scary thing is that you've got a point! The big advantage Staunton has over all the other candidates is that he hasn't "failed" at any managerial job, i.e. failed to qualify/failed to win a league. This seems to be the view of Delaney et al - "How do we know Staunton isn't a tactical genius?"

This seems to be a pretty common viewpoint and also explains why players like Elliot, McGeady, Doyle, Ireland, etc. are talked up so much. Keane and Morrisson get stick because we've actually seen them have bad games for Ireland whereas untried players are held up as potential saviours because they haven't proved otherwise.

A prime example of this is John O'Shea who looked great until he actually started playing for Ireland. :) Other notables - Colin Healy, Stephen Reid, Davids Connolly and Kelly.

pete

12/01/2006, 2:33 PM

New talenst will always be talked up as not proven crap yet. On the other hand you have people like Connolly who are well proven as crap players.

Stuttgart88

12/01/2006, 2:34 PM

Personally I think what swung it for Staunton was that Delaney had first hand experience of working & negotiating with him, especially in Japan where I suppose he admired the respect the other players (except one!) had for him and how he handled himself under pressure. Staunton was a prominent figure during the "Delaney era" if you like. I would guess that Delaney has probably never even met Aldridge etc.

Bomb Landsdowne

12/01/2006, 2:57 PM

I think thats what swung it for him...

He must have lied on his cv??

OwlsFan

12/01/2006, 3:03 PM

DELANEY IN RED HEAD SCANDAL

According to a source in the FAI, John Delaney has offered the job to Steve Staunton because he�s a red head. A friend of Delaney�s said �John has always had a penchant for carrot tops and gets turned on by them�.

At a recent conference on the price of football programmes in Ballygobackwards, the Daily Tits reported that Delaney said �I really like the colour red� and �I hope to appoint a manager soon. If he knows anything about football it will be a bonus�. Obviously the two are linked, the Daily Tits went on to say.

A neighbour of Delaney�s said he recently saw Delaney out in his back garden wearing red shorts with a Walsall top while a friend of the neighbour�s friend said she heard another friend say that Delaney once said that he had a friend who liked Steve Staunton.

A source close to the player said Delaney just wants to give the job to Staunton because he likes his legs while a contact at Ambre Solaire has suggested that Delaney and Staunton have tied up a contract with them since Staunton is an ideal subject for the product.

Staunton and Delaney were unavailable for comment.

Schlooooomp

12/01/2006, 3:17 PM

Nobody here can seriously say that for €750,000 we could not have landed a more experienced manager, what is the average premiership manager's wage, which I am sure is vastly inflated compared to continental manager's wages. It would obviously rule out the very top tier but I still think that it is a significant sum of money, in my opinion Staunton is being significantly overpaid.

Roverstillidie

12/01/2006, 7:26 PM

i would like to repleat my sentiments on the other thread. Delaney has ****ed this up and has to go. Staunton is being used here and i feel for him.

BTW, guess who is giving a talk at the Rovers 400 club AGM on Monday about his vision for Irish football? :eek:

it could get very messy very fast.

livehead1

12/01/2006, 7:32 PM

A prime example of this is John O'Shea who looked great until he actually started playing for Ireland. :) Other notables - Colin Healy, Stephen Reid, Davids Connolly and Kelly.
i will take a bet with any man on this forum that in a 10years time o;shea is regarded as one of the greats to have worn the green, he's coming on strides this season, looking very very good.

Karlos

12/01/2006, 7:33 PM

Nobody here can seriously say that for �750,000 we could not have landed a more experienced manager, what is the average premiership manager's wage, which I am sure is vastly inflated compared to continental manager's wages. It would obviously rule out the very top tier but I still think that it is a significant sum of money, in my opinion Staunton is being significantly overpaid.

If and it's still an if, Bobby Robson is appointed along with Stan we are getting more experience in World or European Football than we could buy with double that money in my opinion. The potential tactical input Robson will have, I feel is being grossly underrated. Robson has seen it all and done it all - winning trophies, nuturing thre finest world talent and handling the media. Most managers in the Premiership & Championship are earning 6 figures as are all in the top tiers of European Football - I think if Robson is included we've bought one heck of experience for the price we are paying and are getting Stan thrown in for free...!! ;) :D

Roverstillidie

12/01/2006, 7:49 PM

i will take a bet with any man on this forum that in a 10years time o;shea is regarded as one of the greats to have worn the green, he's coming on strides this season, looking very very good.

:eek: are you a mentalist? how much?

Superhoops

12/01/2006, 8:08 PM

....... I would guess that Delaney has probably never even met Aldridge etc.
Probably didnt understand Aldo's scouse accent!

Superhoops

12/01/2006, 8:10 PM

Stuttgart88

13/01/2006, 10:43 AM

Schlooooomp

13/01/2006, 12:20 PM

I think some people are being totally disrespectful to Robson on the basis of his age. One earlier post particularly angered me but I couldn't be arsed looking for it again.

What age was Rehagel when Greece won Euro 2004?

Rehagel - 67 during 2004 championships according to Google.

Robson is 72, he will be 74/75 during the next championships, that's 8 years over Rehagel, quite a difference at that stage of life...

thejollyrodger

13/01/2006, 2:06 PM

what was wrong with Venebales then ??? At least he has some experience. IF Stan messes up there will have to be a major clear out in the FAIlure association.

TheBoss

13/01/2006, 3:08 PM

That is the worst ever comments you could possibly hear from the main man of Irish Football. He should sacked for saying that :mad:

Something tells me that the FAI want to spend as little money on a new manager, so they save some for themselves.

brine3

13/01/2006, 3:20 PM

Experience not vital for FAI CEO job - Delaney

Jerry The Saint

13/01/2006, 3:45 PM

Experience not vital for FAI CEO job - Delaney

Competence not vital for FAI CEO job.

Decent haircut not vital either.:)

Karlos

13/01/2006, 3:48 PM

Decent haircut not vital either.:)

I think you'll be in with a shout for post of the month on this one! Classic:D :)

Stuttgart88

13/01/2006, 4:09 PM

Competence not vital for FAI CEO job.

Decent haircut not vital either.:)
Or chin

pete

13/01/2006, 5:11 PM

Aside from all the obvious jokes i think this will be continue as classic FAI-esque quote whenever anything goes wrong...

geysir

13/01/2006, 5:16 PM

But a sharp knife loosly sheathed is essential.

onenilgameover

15/01/2006, 2:41 AM

Rooney wouldn't have had a say. No matter what position Delaney has at the FAI he seems to be part of the panel to appoint a new manager. How the hell can an accountant (I think that's what he is) be the main man in the hunt for the most important football job on the island? Off topic but Rooney brought my nephew and his friend into the dressing room after the Romania match where they got to chat with all the players from Roy Keane to Nicky Colgan. I can just imagine Delaney do such a thing. :rolleyes: God I hate that man.

Hmm I didnt think you thought that way EB Where you not around for the time of the Red Card Protest?

rerun

16/01/2006, 12:04 PM

The defence coaches lack of experience at Walsal hasn't held them back...
16 Walsall Pld27 w9 d7 l11 f34 a39 d-5 pts34

So if experience doesn't count, how do you select your manager, by having friends who can hook you up with Bobby Robson as your "mentor"???

Stuttgart88

25/01/2006, 12:58 PM

006-01-25 08:36 (New York)

EXPERIENCE NOT VITAL FOR ENGLAND BOSS - SHEARER
Alan Shearer does not think the next England manager needs to have much
experience.
The Football Association are seeking a successor to Sven-Goran Eriksson after
it was announced the Swede will leave the post after the World Cup.
And former England captain Shearer, who claims it would be ``a bit premature''
for him to be linked with the job, points to Holland's Marco van Basten and
Germany's Jurgen Klinsmann as examples of leading players who have recently been
appointed national coaches.
The Newcastle striker, who would prefer to see an Englishman take over from
Eriksson, told BBC Sport online: ``Marco van Basten and Jurgen Klinsmann did not
have any experience before taking charge of Holland and Germany.
``They are both doing reasonably well so I don't know how important that
is.''
Shearer added: ``People will say he should be English but we want success.
Ideally it would be with an Englishman, though.
``The job is about getting results.''
Shearer does not think the prospect of Eriksson leaving will affect England's
chances of winning the World Cup in Germany this summer.
``It did not affect us when Terry Venables announced he was standing down as
England boss ahead of Euro 96,'' said the 34-year-old, who was surprised by
Monday's announcement that Eriksson was to leave.
``Nobody really expected it to be honest but I am not surprised by the
outcome.
``And no-one knows yet whether it is the right or wrong decision - only time
will tell.
``Fingers crossed, if England go on and win the World Cup then it will be
right. If we don't, then people will say it was wrong - we have to wait and
see.''