Who would we have liked as Manager?

[lofty9]

As debate rages on another thread - is it possible for those on foot.ie who have an opinion to state who they would have liked to manage the national team out of this list of what we know now was realistic candidates?

(maybe a mod could set a poll?)

Staunton / Robson
Robson
Staunton
Stapleton
Aldridge
Venables

[gustavo]

Who would we have liked as Manager?

[Risteard]

Was it said somewhere that they were the candidates.
Well i'd say Robson would be the pick of that bunch there.

[Tired&Emotional]

Done to death I think at this stage. If we can assume the job is Staunton/Robson then that's that - don't think there's any point in "what if's?".....I, for one have, had enough of that over the last few years on the pitch....!

[Tired&Emotional]

...of maybe I'm wrong...just saw the Poll !

[lofty9]

a simple vote to find out what the majority of fans would have settled for. No need for debate.

[Peadar]

Voted for the "Other" option.
I think Damien Richardson would be better than Stan.

[ccfcgirl]

I voted for other....but as Stan got the job Im happy to give him my support.

[ranting rover]

'Other' should be 'Realistic Other'. I'd have preferred MON. But out of that list I'll back what we've been handed.

[John83]

MON and Hiddink were my preferences, but neither seemed likely. I would have been happy with Robson or Troussier.

[onenilgameover]

Wheres Troussier on the list?

[sligoman]

Wheres Troussier on the list?and Martin O'Neill?

[eirebhoy]

and Martin O'Neill?
I'm sure Delaney would have wanted him too. Realistic options. :)

[Mayo Red]

My preferred option like many would have been Martin O'Neill, but out of who was/is available, I'd have to go for Venables!

[Qwerty]

O'Neill or O'Leary as my 1st & 2nd choice.

[M@ttitude]

I dont think there was enough options. Yes, Martin O'Neil or Alex Ferguson were the ideal candidates but they were not available obviously! This a gamble but its what fairytales are made of, this could be the best thing to ever happen to Irish football, if not, ok, we'll have something to moan about. We have tried an Irish man with a big heart and experience managing under age players, we had faith with him, lets have faith in a 3 world cup veteran and a mentor who has more experience than anyone you can think of.

[Cosmo]

I would have given Kerr another shot at it!

[Réiteoir]

Hell - I would rather have Roddy Collins than Staunton and Robson!

[Rover 2 U]

Bosco!

[Junior]

Wim Jansen??
George Burley??

Ill give Robson & Staunton my fuill backing though, but as with others would prefer if Robson was leading the role.

[pineapple stu]

Any chance those voting "Other" would say who this mystery person who was available at the right price is?

[Bluebeard]

Other - probably George Burley, or perhaps Hiddink. Tempted to say Troussier rather than wait until "Il Duce" Delaney decrees.

[Jerry The Saint]

Any chance those voting "Other" would say who this mystery person who was available at the right price is?

Brian Kerr. There I've said it.

And it is relevant - Oscar Wilde made it clear when Kerr's contract was not renewed that he had a plan in mind to appoint a top-class manager with the necessary experience. Either he's a liar :eek: or he believed, at the time, that Stevie Staunton was among those with the qualifications to be that manager.

[FarBeag]

I would have liked Martin O Neill as my choice and then George Burley.

I have also noticed something interesting. In the thread. ''Would you agree with Staunton as Irish Manager? A total of 24 people appeared to have voted yes for him and in in this Thread only 1. Just an observation thats all

[The Legend]

ok, for the people that want Stuanton as the next boss... why? :confused:

[CollegeTillIDie]

Brian Kerr. There I've said it.

And it is relevant - Oscar Wilde made it clear when Kerr's contract was not renewed that he had a plan in mind to appoint a top-class manager with the necessary experience. Either he's a liar :eek: or he believed, at the time, that Stevie Staunton was among those with the qualifications to be that manager.

I think to be fair to the artist currently referred to as Oscar Wilde, he's just a tool!. His entire FAI career and rise to the top has been getting even for those who shafted His Daddy and when he was in charge of his EL club he squandered the largest amount of money ever raised in Domestic sport from a share issue! Right Blues fans?:D

[Schlooooomp]

Other - though I am unsure of wh we could realistically attract to the job. Who is out of work at the moment with top level management experience:

Ottmar Hitzfeld - Champions League * 2, German Leagues * 5
Paul Le Guen - French League * 3 (I think)
Didier Deschamps
Giovanni Trapatonni - will be free after the summer
Jupp Heynckes - what is he up to at the mo?


Any more to add to the list?

[wws]

Brian Kerr.


I've heard such utter claptrap in this "limbo period" from people who know fck all about football or have any grasp of the bigger picture. Horsesh:t like that was the "easiest group ever" / "worst french team ever" / "we should easily beat the swiss and israelis everytime" shows the depth of how little people appreciate just how sh:t our national squad is in world terms.

Brian kerr would do well in the necessary task of rebuilding. We are not a top class side with great players. We are bereft of options and are best players are either too old and past it (roy keane) or more committed to club (duff).


Time for a reality check

[colster]

Other - though I am unsure of wh we could realistically attract to the job. Who is out of work at the moment with top level management experience:

Ottmar Hitzfeld - Champions League * 2, German Leagues * 5
Paul Le Guen - French League * 3 (I think)
Didier Deschamps
Giovanni Trapatonni - will be free after the summer
Jupp Heynckes - what is he up to at the mo?


Any more to add to the list?

There is absolutely no way the FAI could afford their wages or that they would take the job.

[colster]

Brian Kerr.


I've heard such utter claptrap in this "limbo period" from people who know fck all about football or have any grasp of the bigger picture. Horsesh:t like that was the "easiest group ever" / "worst french team ever" / "we should easily beat the swiss and israelis everytime" shows the depth of how little people appreciate just how sh:t our national squad is in world terms.

Brian kerr would do well in the necessary task of rebuilding. We are not a top class side with great players. We are bereft of options and are best players are either too old and past it (roy keane) or more committed to club (duff).


Time for a reality check


Can you honestly say that the team played to it's potential under Kerr when it mattered?
The fact is that the team played in a straight jacket under Kerr. They lacked a killer instinct. How many times did we let a lead slip?
There was no improvement from the time he took over.
What makes you think that he's the man for the job?

[Schlooooomp]

There is absolutely no way the FAI could afford their wages or that they would take the job.

I am just throwing those names out there, there are a lot of proven managers around and even if we were to get somebody part time, I think it would be sufficient for the Irish International tem.

[Schlooooomp]

Brian Kerr.


I've heard such utter claptrap in this "limbo period" from people who know fck all about football or have any grasp of the bigger picture. Horsesh:t like that was the "easiest group ever" / "worst french team ever" / "we should easily beat the swiss and israelis everytime" shows the depth of how little people appreciate just how sh:t our national squad is in world terms.

Brian kerr would do well in the necessary task of rebuilding. We are not a top class side with great players. We are bereft of options and are best players are either too old and past it (roy keane) or more committed to club (duff).


Time for a reality check

We are just a middle of the road International team, however we are not always going to get a group like Kerr did, that as it plays out it gives us an excellent opportunity of qualifying. We were not just outside qualification because we matched a great french team, we didn't qualify because we ****ed up more than France or Switzerland. Kerr has to take some of the responsibility, not all of it.

[wws]

we didnt qualify because we simply didnt have the players to beat switzerland israel or france. Plain and simple. We were very lucky even to beat Cyprus.


The players were sh.t


Thats football.

[klein4]

we didnt qualify because we simply didnt have the players to beat switzerland israel or france. Plain and simple. We were very lucky even to beat Cyprus.


The players were sh.t


Thats football.
At least the players can have a laugh and a few beers under Staunton. We mightnt get the results but at least we will have a team who enjoys the experience of linking up with the national team. they will go back to their clubs and a few english born players might like the sound of playing for ireland then. then we can at last get back to the glory years when we were the bast fans in the world and always brought a smile to tournaments.

[Peadar]

At least the players can have a laugh and a few beers under Staunton.

That's funny, I'm positive I shared a few drinks with some of the Irish players while on away trips under Brian Kerr's tenure.
Also fairly certain that I saw pictures of a session in the Faroe Islands where the players seemed to be enjoying themselves.

Funny thing about International football is that you're pretty much stuck with what you're given, where players are concerned.

When players start acting up and not showing any commitment in games, the manager gets blamed and subsequently gets the boot because it's the easy option.

If the players want International duty to be a session with the lads then we're back to the old days of moral victories against average teams.

Professional football isn't just about being paid ridiculous amounts of money, it's also about behaving like a professional. This includes, your training, your diet and your social life.

[wws]

interestingly VINNY JONES(of all ppl) was on a chat show on tv3 and when asked was he just lucky he said he was lucky to get the break at wimbledon but he really went for it because he wanted it and despite the public image never touched a drink for years so he could make it as a pro

pros were pros back than

[colster]

we didnt qualify because we simply didnt have the players to beat switzerland israel or france. Plain and simple. We were very lucky even to beat Cyprus.


The players were sh.t


Thats football.

The players can and have played better. We can put out a team who all play regularly in the Premiership. Some of which have played in the Champions League and World Cup finals. Players who have won cups, Leagues and European trophies.
We have the players to compete and qualify. The manager just couldn't get the best out of them?

[wws]

The players can and have played better.

some have. some never have and never will.

We can put out a team who all play regularly in the Premiership.

so what?

Some of which have played in the Champions League and World Cup finals.

again irrelevant. the attitude and hunger they display in the current match has nothing to do with a game they may have played 2/4/6 years ago


We have the players to compete and qualify. The manager just couldn't get the best out of them?

I'm afraid not - they consistently played poorly - some because they are basically poor internationals and others cause of attitude and lack of commitment - Brian Kerr didnt make them forget how to play football

[eirebhoy]

Mick McCarthy showed after his first 2 campaigns which were just as successful/unsuccessful as Kerr's that you can improve a lot in your 3rd term. I think Kerr would definitely be a better option now than Staunton but Delaney didn't want Kerr and I'll reserve my judgement on the new appointment for a while. With the players we have coming through now I'd have liked to see how Kerr would do as the only players to come through during his time in charge was Andy Reid and Liam Miller.

[colster]

The players can and have played better.

some have. some never have and never will.

We can put out a team who all play regularly in the Premiership.

so what?

Some of which have played in the Champions League and World Cup finals.

again irrelevant. the attitude and hunger they display in the current match has nothing to do with a game they may have played 2/4/6 years ago


We have the players to compete and qualify. The manager just couldn't get the best out of them?

I'm afraid not - they consistently played poorly - some because they are basically poor internationals and others cause of attitude and lack of commitment - Brian Kerr didnt make them forget how to play football

I still think a lot of them can and will play better. I liked Kerr and was delighted when he got the job but for whatever reason the team didn't do much under him. There was no sign of improvement. There was no inkling that things were getting better. The press and fans were on his back. Whether the players let him down is irrelevant. It's not as if we can get in another set.
His contract was at an end. It had to be decided was it worth giving him a new contract based on the above.
People say the sacking of Kerr was a personal thing by Delaney but there were hardly any dissenting voices from within the FAI.

[colster]

Mick McCarthy showed after his first 2 campaigns which were just as successful/unsuccessful as Kerr's that you can improve a lot in your 3rd term. I think Kerr would definitely be a better option now than Staunton but Delaney didn't want Kerr and I'll reserve my judgement on the new appointment for a while. With the players we have coming through now I'd have liked to see how Kerr would do as the only players to come through during his time in charge was Andy Reid and Liam Miller.

Kerr had a lot more to work with than McCarthy. The team was improving under McCarthy. They consistently got to the playoffs, i.e. at least 2nd in a group. Kerr finished 4th.

[Stuttgart88]

I'm totally with Colster on all this. Kerr had his chances and took none of them. I saw no signs of encouragement in this campaign since Paris. I thought we were a bit unlucky to lose to France at home but tight games can go either way. I really don't think you can give Kerr much credit for XI top flight footballers putting in a decent performance at home either though. That's the minimum you'd expect. I liked Kerr and would have loved him to succeed but so many of our competitive games under Kerr were painful. I'm glad the Kerr era is over. Or as The Tribune said in October "The End of an Era: McCarthy's Era".

We do have the players. I've seen so many interntational sides with nothing other than a peppering of quality added to mediocrity do well and I see no reason why we shouldn't aim for the same.

Thev FAI should never have suggested they were aiming big or they'd never have provoked the public expression of disappointment. I have concerns over Staunton but he may be able to rectify some of the flaws from Kerr's tenor. Robson, if he's allowed, potentially has plenty to offer. This might work you know. But it will never excuse how this has been handled.

[eirebhoy]

Kerr had a lot more to work with than McCarthy. The team was improving under McCarthy. They consistently got to the playoffs, i.e. at least 2nd in a group. Kerr finished 4th.
First of all, you say there was no dissenting voices from the FAI. They're hardly going to slate the manager in public. There were no voices at all from the FAI when there should have been. They came out and publicly backed McCarthy and should have done the same with Kerr.

Kerr did not have a lot more to work with than McCarthy. The team McCarthy left with was the worst team in his time in charge by far. Kerr had to work with that for the first campaign as there was only 1 friendly against Scotland before his first competitive match so no time for dramatic change. McCarthy had better players to work with than Kerr, no question. Maybe Kerr had better strength in depth, I don't know. McCarthy had 8 friendlies before his first competitive. McCarthy had only 1 decent team (Romania) in his first qualifying group and finished 10 points behind them. McCarthy averaged pretty much the same amount of points in his first 2 campaigns as Kerr. If there's 1 thing I'm going to be completely stubborn on and never back down on its that McCarthy's first 2 campaigns were no better than Kerr's given the circumstances. If people think otherwise then IMO they're blinded by McCarthy's excellent 3rd term.

[colster]

First of all, you say there was no dissenting voices from the FAI. They're hardly going to slate the manager in public. There were no voices at all from the FAI when there should have been. They came out and publicly backed McCarthy and should have done the same with Kerr.[QUOTE]

For an organisation that is renowned for infighting it's funny that they had one voice as far as Kerr was concerned.

[QUOTE] Kerr did not have a lot more to work with than McCarthy.

I'm comparing the sqaud McCarthy had when he took over compared with the one Kerr had.
When McCarthy took over he had to rebuild an ageing team with very little coming through.

[youngirish]

It amazes me how people still jump to the defence of Kerr even know. The fact is he hadn't a clue how to manage a senior international team and he f**ked up all our chances of being at this years WC. The best team he beat in a competitive match in 3 years in charge was Albania. He was given more than enough chances. McCarthy at least always made it to the play-offs. He finished second in each of his 3 campaigns and that's a lot better than Kerr's positions of third and fourth in his two qualifying campaigns.

I'm not overly optimisitc at the appointment of Staunton/Robson but anything is better than letting Kerr f**k up another qualifying campaign. At least we are taking a gamble that might pay off. Sticking with Kerr was guaranteed to lead to humiliating failure again. Fourth in a group containing Israel and Switzerland. Says it all.