Kilbane to Celtic?

[Hither green]

After Jol dismissing talk of Keane going to Celtic, one of the tabloids over here is suggesting Kilbane may now be off there, possibly in a swap for Sutton. Personally I don't think it would be a bad move for him, although if it's to reunite the Keane/Kilbane central midfield partnership then I can't see it doing much for his Ireland place.

[tricky_colour]

Trouble is it is hard to access the quallity of a player in a league where
only one, or possible two teams has a chance of winning the league.
It's a bit like the Premiership really :rolleyes:
Chelsea are 11 point's clear, Celtic are 9 points clear, where would
Celtic finish if they were in the Premiership and what does that say about
the quality of the opposition they are playing?

[Colbert Report]

Honestly, where would Celtic finish in the Premiership do you think? 15th or so?

[Plastic Paddy]

At the moment you're probably right, but don't forget that Celtic is currently a team "in transition". With a couple of seasons of Premiership funding I would expect the Bhoys to be challenging Liverpool, ManYoo and Arsenal for a CL spot each season. I don't hold out any hoipe of anyone catching Chelski though. :(

:ball: PP

[eirebhoy]

A new defence and they'd be top 6 definitely.

[twoenz]

The team that they have now would struggle big time. There's no way that (excluding Keane) the midfield has enough quality to get by. They'd be out fought by Bolton and outplayed by most others. Think Everton, only with slightly more fire power and a weaker back-line. Within a few years they would be one of the big guns. The income that they could generate would easily surpass most clubs, and Europe every season would be a very creditable goal.

[geysir]

Trouble is it is hard to access the quallity of a player in a league where only one, or possible two teams has a chance of winning the league.
It's a bit like the Premiership really :rolleyes:
Chelsea are 11 point's clear, Celtic are 9 points clear, where would
Celtic finish if they were in the Premiership and what does that say about
the quality of the opposition they are playing?
I don't see any evidence that a good footballer would loose something by joining a team in the SPL. Quite frankly, Kilbane, on this season's form would not get into the Celtic midfield.
If Mc Geady could become a consistant first choice on the teamsheet at Celtic he would be good enough for the Irish team. Of the Celtic first choice midfielders, Petrov is the Bulgarian capt. and their best player. Nakamura, I assume is top of Zico's plans for Japan.

[livehead1]

spoke to a couple of friends who saw everton charlton today (englishmen) and they said that both kilbane and holland were very good. kilbane best hes played by a mile all season...

[twoenz]

A few of my Everton mates have said that he hasn't put a decent shift in for them all season. Much like the rest of the team.

[Roverstillidie]

simple reality is he wouldnt get within an arses roar of the celtic side at the moment. its clicking really well and has keane to go into it as well.
reality is he would be behind mcgeady and thompson (if he stays) in the pecking order and well down the queue for the centre of midfield.

if there is a player swap for sutton, think defenders.

[as_i_say]

kilbane has had a couple of very good games for everton recently albeit up till that point he was being left on the bench and had been crap like the rest of the team-very involved in their win yesterday

[Junior]

Would he do us a turn at Leftback though?

Sutton has been a fabulous signiong for Celtic over the past 5 years, though is getting more and more injury prone - he looks like he's for the off this month due to a clause in his contract.

[Hither green]

A few of my Everton mates have said that he hasn't put a decent shift in for them all season. Much like the rest of the team.

Yes but they've never liked him.

[eirebhoy]

The team that they have now would struggle big time. There's no way that (excluding Keane) the midfield has enough quality to get by.
Keane, Petrov, Nakamura, Maloney. As good as any midfield in the premiership at the moment bar Chelsea and possibly Liverpool imo. Nakamura is without a doubt world class. Petrov is fantastic too. Keane was the best player in his last match for both club and country and is still a great player. Maloney is up there with the other 3 and will only get better being just 22.

I don't see Kilbane fitting in at all, I think its no more than a rumour.

[as_i_say]

sure it was in the sun newspaper-it has to be true.

[brine3]

There's no way that (excluding Keane) the midfield has enough quality to get by.

Stan Petrov would walk into any Premiership midfield except for Chelsea and Liverpool.

[Hibs4Ever]

Stan Petrov would walk into any Premiership midfield except for Chelsea and Liverpool.


No he wouldn't:confused:

[Plastic Paddy]

No he wouldn't

Oh yes he would...

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[livehead1]

No he wouldn't:confused:
no hibs bias at all there, he would get into the midfields of nearly every side. he wouldnt be far off the liverpool midfield. if stephen warnock, potter, sissoko n risse get games now and again theres no reason y he cant!

[Hibs4Ever]

no hibs bias at all there, he would get into the midfields of nearly every side. he wouldnt be far off the liverpool midfield. if stephen warnock, potter, sissoko n risse get games now and again theres no reason y he cant!

No, no Hibs bias. Petrov would not walk into any team in Premiership (bar Chelsea & Liverpool) He's an average player. You are saying that a person can't say something negative about a player just because they don't support his team:confused:

[livehead1]

No, no Hibs bias. Petrov would not walk into any team in Premiership (bar Chelsea & Liverpool) He's an average player. You are saying that a person can't say something negative about a player just because they don't support his team:confused:
i was merely suggesting an opinion, at the time of this post you are the only person to suggest that he wouldn't get into most sides and that he is just an average player....well its also a coinicidence that you happen to be a suppoerter of a rival spl side :D

[eirebhoy]

Bulgaria manager Stoichkov thinks he's a bit better than average anyway:

“I think Stilian has the chance to move to a bigger league now.

"it’s very important for him to move on and develop as a player it’s normal.

“I understand the public, the coach and the chairman will want him to stay but football players don’t stay 10 years in one place any more.

“Stilian is one of the best midfield players in the world. He should be looking to compete for a club such as Barcelona or some other big team in Spain, Italy or England.

“I have had a lot of people asking me about Stilian’s position, including Frank (Barcelona coach Rijkaard). All I can really do is pass on information.”

I'm sure everyone who worked with him thinks he's better than average too. He's captaining his country since the age of 23.

Hibs4Ever - Its obvious by now that you are completely anti-Celtic so I'm certainly not going to take your view on Celtic seriously. :)

[Junior]

No, no Hibs bias. Petrov would not walk into any team in Premiership (bar Chelsea & Liverpool) He's an average player. You are saying that a person can't say something negative about a player just because they don't support his team:confused:

I guess this is going off topic. However, just to prove your point H4E, pick any other team in the premiership, name their first choice midfielders and demonstrate that he would lie behind them in a starting spot.

He's a little better than average Im afraid;)

[Hibs4Ever]

I guess this is going off topic. However, just to prove your point H4E, pick any other team in the premiership, name their first choice midfielders and demonstrate that he would lie behind them in a starting spot.

He's a little better than average Im afraid;)



I could pick a lot of premiership teams that I think he wouldn't get into, what would that do to help you. I don't rate him, he's a diving cheat, get over it.



To eirebhoy, well done in showing that a former Bulgarian International and current Bulgarian Manager rates one of his players. I think you'll find most international managers would do the very same so this means nothing

[eirebhoy]

I could pick a lot of premiership teams that I think he wouldn't get into, what would that do to help you. I don't rate him, he's a diving cheat, get over it.
Petrov is not a diver, I discussed this with you before. I haven't seen Petrov dive in at least a year. Is that all you can come up with? I've seen Scott Brown go down easy. Name the premiership teams he wouldn't get into.

[Junior]

I could pick a lot of premiership teams that I think he wouldn't get into, what would that do to help you. I don't rate him, he's a diving cheat, get over it.


Just pick one.

It would prove your point.

Get over what exactly?

[Hibs4Ever]

Just pick one.

It would prove your point.

Get over what exactly?



Get over the fact that not everyone rates him. I could pick a club, say Manchester United or Arsenal, and you'll say, he'' easily get into that team. HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS??? IT'S YOUR OPINION. As its MY opinion he wouldn't. ACCEPT THAT

[eirebhoy]

Manchester United
Petrov is certainly better than Fletcher, O'Shea and Smith.

I see you edited your post. :) Fabregas is a 17 year old with the potential to be world class, he's not Petrov's class yet.

[Hibs4Ever]

Petrov is certainly better than Fletcher, O'Shea and Smith.

In YOUR opinion. So me naming clubs doesn't prove ANYTHING

[eirebhoy]

Its not just my opinion. There's no way on earth Petrov is worse than O'Shea, Smith or Fletcher. Not a chance. :)

I can't wait to see Petrov partnering Keane as with Lennon he has to do a load of work.

[Dublin12]

Name the premiership teams he wouldn't get into.

Arsenal,Liverpool,Chelsea and Man Utd,he certainly wouldn't be an automatic for those but I would say he'd get into every team in the premiership.

[eirebhoy]

Arsenal,Liverpool,Chelsea and Man Utd,he certainly wouldn't be an automatic for those but I would say he'd get into every team in the premiership.
He'd make every team but Liverpool and Chelsea is what I said. Arsenal, possibly but he'd walk into the Utd team.

[livehead1]

I could pick a lot of premiership teams that I think he wouldn't get into, what would that do to help you. I don't rate him, he's a diving cheat, get over it.



To eirebhoy, well done in showing that a former Bulgarian International and current Bulgarian Manager rates one of his players. I think you'll find most international managers would do the very same so this means nothing


regardless as to whether stoichkov likes him , he should know a good player when he sees one he wasnt half bad himself, it is testament to petrovs reputation and ability that rijkard is interested in him at all.

[Dublin12]

He'd make every team but Liverpool and Chelsea is what I said. Arsenal, possibly but he'd walk into the Utd team.

I agree about Liverpool/Chelsea.No way would he be an automatic for Arsenal and the same for Man Utd.You only have to look at Boumsong and Bellamy to see how good they were in Scotland and how average they are in the premiership.

[eirebhoy]

I agree about Liverpool/Chelsea.No way would he be an automatic for Arsenal and the same for Man Utd.You only have to look at Boumsong and Bellamy to see how good they were in Scotland and how average they are in the premiership.
Don't start that one again. :) Boumsong rejected premiership clubs like Liverpool to join Rangers and he's still a regular with France. His 4 months at Rangers hardly gave him much time to build a repuation. Bellamy was a fans favourite of Newcastle winning player of the year and atm has 7 goals in 10 starts for Blackburn.

Petrov is better than Smith, O'Shea and Fletcher. Would he walk into the United team? I don't know but I'm pretty certain each of the above players would find it harder to make the current Celtic midfield.

[Junior]

Get over the fact that not everyone rates him. I could pick a club, say Manchester United or Arsenal, and you'll say, he'' easily get into that team. HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS??? IT'S YOUR OPINION. As its MY opinion he wouldn't. ACCEPT THAT

All I asked is that you justify your point/opinion. I guess one of the purposes of this forum is for reasoned debate?

Alas no, its your opinion and I should just accept it. pretty pointless debating it in the first place then, I guess.

But as long as you can use caps lock, H4E, I'll always have to bow to your superior debating skills...........

EDIT: For the record, I have never suggested everyone rates him, in fact Im sure many on this board have never seen him play.

[Dublin12]

Don't start that one again. :) Boumsong rejected premiership clubs like Liverpool to join Rangers and he's still a regular with France. His 4 months at Rangers hardly gave him much time to build a repuation. Bellamy was a fans favourite of Newcastle winning player of the year and atm has 7 goals in 10 starts for Blackburn.

Petrov is better than Smith, O'Shea and Fletcher. Would he walk into the United team? I don't know but I'm pretty certain each of the above players would find it harder to make the current Celtic midfield.

For me,Petrov is a great player in the SPL but if he went to the premiership would be an average run of the mill player,there are many of them in that league at present who would have the same impact that Petrov is having in Scotland and Bellamy had too,and Boumsong aswell,look at Barry Ferguson at those world beaters Blackburn:eek: Petrov looks better than Smith,O'Shea and Fletcher but thats because of the opposition.The SPL and the Premiership are worlds apart and it's hard to judge I suppose. Good luck to him though,it would be interesting to see him line up for Bolton someday;)

[Stuttgart88]

You only have to look at Boumsong and Bellamy to see how good they were in Scotland and how average they are in the premiership.
Funnily enough I think Bellamy's spell at Celtic was overrated. Yes, he scored some great goals and important goals but crucial misses from Bellamy (at home to Rangers and away to Motherwell) ultimately cost Celtic the title. Sure he did well up there but in my opinion his lack of genuine class showed in the end, whereas Larsson & Sutton proved they were more consistent and could do it when it really counted.

I think people have to recognise that any mid-table English forward will do better at Celtic simply because Celtic are the best. Bellamy would probably double his goal return at Chelsea because they're the best.

[Fergie's Son]

I don't agree. The median standard in the SPL is a lot less than the median standard in the Premiership. I'd rate the likes of a Bolton or even a Fulham being in the top 3-4 of the SPL. It's just not a very good league.

[Roverstillidie]

I don't agree. The median standard in the SPL is a lot less than the median standard in the Premiership. I'd rate the likes of a Bolton or even a Fulham being in the top 3-4 of the SPL. It's just not a very good league.

the population of england is 55 million, scotland 5. the median standard in holland, greece, portugal, russia, the ukraine is poor, but their top sides are highly competitive.

[Fergie's Son]

the population of england is 55 million, scotland 5. the median standard in holland, greece, portugal, russia, the ukraine is poor, but their top sides are highly competitive.

True and teams from the SPL have done ever so well in the Champions League right?

[Roverstillidie]

True and teams from the SPL have done ever so well in the Champions League right?

im illustrating the point that 'median' teams isnt a great measure for a league.

Rangers are still in the CL. and as an aside, can you name me a league that represents 5 million that has 4 european trophies in the bag?

[Fergie's Son]

How many of those trophies were won in the last 20 years?

It appears that Celtic just turned down an offer of 3M for Petrov from Fulham. That's good business on their part. The market, however, suggests that Petrov is no better than a mid-level Premiership midfielder.

[Roverstillidie]

this has nothing to do with stan petrov or your opinion of him, its the typical raised on premiership barstooler argument that 'scottish football is crap'.

ignore the fact that a country of 5m has 2 g14 clubs, won 5 euro trophies, has two clubs in the top 20 welthiest clubs in the world list (2 more than france), have a rep in the CL and Celtic in particular have some serious footballers, once scotland is mentioned, revert to semi racist name calling.

as has been said before a midfield with mcgeady, thompson, lennon, keane, nakamura, agathe, pearson, wallace and maloney to choose from is as good as any bar chelsea and murderpool in the EPL.

bear in mind as roma also had a bid for petrov turned down a few seasons ago

[eirebhoy]

It appears that Celtic just turned down an offer of 3M for Petrov from Fulham. That's good business on their part. The market, however, suggests that Petrov is no better than a mid-level Premiership midfielder.
What do you mean by that? :) How does the market suggest anything?

[geysir]

The transfer value of a player does give some guideline of the players quality. Based on Petrov's international profile as Hungarian capt, his Euro competition performances, his Celtic role, his salary and optimum age, £3m would be an absolute steal even if his contract is entering into the last 18 month twilight zone. What has this got to do with Kilbane anyway? Sutton has not gone to Everton.

[eirebhoy]

What has this got to do with Kilbane anyway?
It was a non-story from the beginning.

[tetsujin1979]

The transfer value of a player does give some guideline of the players quality. Based on Petrov's international profile as Hungarian capt, his Euro competition performances, his Celtic role, his salary and optimum age, £3m would be an absolute steal even if his contract is entering into the last 18 month twilight zone. What has this got to do with Kilbane anyway? Sutton has not gone to Everton.
He's Bulgarian

[Kingdom]

this has nothing to do with stan petrov or your opinion of him, its the typical raised on premiership barstooler argument that 'scottish football is crap'.

ignore the fact that a country of 5m has 2 g14 clubs, won 5 euro trophies, has two clubs in the top 20 welthiest clubs in the world list (2 more than france), have a rep in the CL and Celtic in particular have some serious footballers, once scotland is mentioned, revert to semi racist name calling.

as has been said before a midfield with mcgeady, thompson, lennon, keane, nakamura, agathe, pearson, wallace and maloney to choose from is as good as any bar chelsea and murderpool in the EPL.

bear in mind as roma also had a bid for petrov turned down a few seasons ago

Are you not contradicting yerself slightly there fella. You're whinging about name calling with reference to Scotland but refer to Liverpool with the stupid moniker above. Grow up.

[livehead1]

The transfer value of a player does give some guideline of the players quality. Based on Petrov's international profile as Hungarian capt, his Euro competition performances, his Celtic role, his salary and optimum age, £3m would be an absolute steal even if his contract is entering into the last 18 month twilight zone. What has this got to do with Kilbane anyway? Sutton has not gone to Everton.

the market don't suggest SH8T. kevin doyle 70grand, now worth bout 2mill, boumsong 8mill, worth less than half of that....if fulham had more money to spend they would bid what he is worth, which i would assume is around 5mill.