Graham Kavanagh

[livehead1]

what does that even mean? Irish clubs dont qualify for Europe? You are on a loser here, get your head out of your arse.

The EL may not be an English Premiership in terms of quality, standards have reimproved over the past 5 years. Clubs are going full time, there are a rake of international players from other nations and the European runs are drastically imroved. Hence the annoyance at players getting into Irish squads within weeks of moving overseas from the EL. Kevin Doyle was good enough for the Irish squad in Cork, Reading didnt turn him into a great player overnight.

The rot only began in the 70's when English games were shown live and the clubs didnt react by moving their games to accomodate. Up until then the league was for a while considered superior to the English game you love so much. Again, 61 internaionals, more than Manuere and Muderpool combined.

What the EL doesnt need is some smart arsed brit doing it down.



Brit? born in sligo, so go an f*ck yourself.
it will never be as good as the premier league, the spanish league, or even the german league as most players given the choice will play in a country that has more facilities. ireland is too small, talk about living in a goldfish bowl. another thing, they will never be able to afford to pay the wages that the top players earn. even if there was coverage as great as it is on tv in other countries, irish fans do not earn enough money to pay the kind of prices that other countries charge. even in germany where they have reasonably priced tickets, around 20 pounds to see Bayern, that would be more than most could afford, especially in rural ireland on a weekly basis.

this part of the forum is for international footballers, of which, the Eircom League, and all its mightiness as very little to do with, if you cant see that the English league has contributed more to irish football than irish football has to itself then you are blind. even second generation players are trained in england and then wear the green of ireland. its safe to say they have done more for our national game than we have for their national game

[livehead1]

Again, 61 internaionals, more than Manuere and Muderpool combined.



just cos you love the EL, theres no need to have a go at the teams that comprise a more successful league than the one you adore, no matter how painful it is

[Irish_Praha]

he will always be robbie to me.

--:)--

[Irish_Praha]

irish fans do not earn enough money to pay the kind of prices that other countries charge. even in germany where they have reasonably priced tickets, around 20 pounds to see Bayern, that would be more than most could afford, especially in rural ireland on a weekly basis.


Livehead, I see where you are coming from and that it can be annoying when a hardcore EL fan ridicules you, as an Irish person, for not having a deep knowledge and passion for the EL. I've read and agreed with a lot of your other posts. I don't know your background (when you left sligo, where you are now, how long you have been there, how old you are) but even me, someone who left Ireland about 8 years ago, can see that the quote above is totally ridiculous. Do you not know that Ireland has made tremendous progress in the last 10 years and is at the moment the 2nd richest country (per capita) in Europe?
http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2005/06/ireland_the_sec.html

In other words to spend 20 pounds (30 euro) a week on a hobby would be peanuts for your average rural or urban Irish person.
In fact the Germans would find it more difficult at the moment to pay such a price for 2 hrs entertainment. BTW I was at the FrankenStadion in Nürnberg a few weeks ago and the ticket prices for a Bundesliga game start at about 13 Euros!

[Roverstillidie]

just cos you love the EL, theres no need to have a go at the teams that comprise a more successful league than the one you adore, no matter how painful it is

so you are going to ignore the fact that until charlton the majority of the Irish team was domestically based? and most of the best ever Irish players had a connection to the LOI? you could argue that the team only improved because JC trawled the English game for potential players, but these are facts. Its offensive to us EL fans to have 60 of the 85 years written out of history by some teenager brought up on sky in Warwikshire with Irish roots write such ignorant nonsense.

Your quite frankly baflling logic that no-one in Ireland can afford 20 notes (EL prem teams charge 15, first 13) to watch football is nonsense. How can so many Irish afford to go overseas with regularity to watch their teams? How much do you think going to Croke Park, Landsdowne or even the ****ing cinema costs? What a **** poor attempt at explaining your disdain for Irish football's grass roots.

The reason Irish domestic football is in the doldrums is because goons like you compare it to the EPL and dont go. Not because we are all sooooo poor in Ireland that we cant pay money in to grounds.

You opened this can of worms by stating you only noticed Kavanagh's existence when he joined an EPL club, despite the many great years he had playing for Stoke, Cardiff and Ireland. This kind of 'only the premiership matters' nonsense is a menace to football here and in england. And I belive that la liga is far superior to the EPL. Do I annoy you with crap like 'i notice this guy beckham recently, apparantly he played in some other league before'?

total ignorance

[livehead1]

so you are going to ignore the fact that until charlton the majority of the Irish team was domestically based? and most of the best ever Irish players had a connection to the LOI? you could argue that the team only improved because JC trawled the English game for potential players, but these are facts. Its offensive to us EL fans to have 60 of the 85 years written out of history by some teenager brought up on sky in Warwikshire with Irish roots write such ignorant nonsense.

Your quite frankly baflling logic that no-one in Ireland can afford 20 notes (EL prem teams charge 15, first 13) to watch football is nonsense. How can so many Irish afford to go overseas with regularity to watch their teams? How much do you think going to Croke Park, Landsdowne or even the ****ing cinema costs? What a **** poor attempt at explaining your disdain for Irish football's grass roots.

The reason Irish domestic football is in the doldrums is because goons like you compare it to the EPL and dont go. Not because we are all sooooo poor in Ireland that we cant pay money in to grounds.

You opened this can of worms by stating you only noticed Kavanagh's existence when he joined an EPL club, despite the many great years he had playing for Stoke, Cardiff and Ireland. This kind of 'only the premiership matters' nonsense is a menace to football here and in england. And I belive that la liga is far superior to the EPL. Do I annoy you with crap like 'i notice this guy beckham recently, apparantly he played in some other league before'?

total ignorance

LOL i have no problem with ireland having a league and i don't dislike it, its just a poor poor league. to sum up your comments, i was going to ignore the fact that :

until charlton the majority of the Irish team was domestically based?
to answer all of your posts in one fact. Ireland never qualified for a world cup UNTIL the Jack Charlton reign.
i think that answers everything

[gustavo]

so you are going to ignore the fact that until charlton the majority of the Irish team was domestically based? and most of the best ever Irish players had a connection to the LOI? you could argue that the team only improved because JC trawled the English game for potential players, but these are facts. Its offensive to us EL fans to have 60 of the 85 years written out of history by some teenager brought up on sky in Warwikshire with Irish roots write such ignorant nonsense.

Your quite frankly baflling logic that no-one in Ireland can afford 20 notes (EL prem teams charge 15, first 13) to watch football is nonsense. How can so many Irish afford to go overseas with regularity to watch their teams? How much do you think going to Croke Park, Landsdowne or even the ****ing cinema costs? What a **** poor attempt at explaining your disdain for Irish football's grass roots.

The reason Irish domestic football is in the doldrums is because goons like you compare it to the EPL and dont go. Not because we are all sooooo poor in Ireland that we cant pay money in to grounds.

You opened this can of worms by stating you only noticed Kavanagh's existence when he joined an EPL club, despite the many great years he had playing for Stoke, Cardiff and Ireland. This kind of 'only the premiership matters' nonsense is a menace to football here and in england. And I belive that la liga is far superior to the EPL. Do I annoy you with crap like 'i notice this guy beckham recently, apparantly he played in some other league before'?

total ignorance

agree with you 100% Roverstillidie !
i dont wanna attack the poster rather than the post but people like him make my blood boil!

[gustavo]

...because he clearly would not be good enough, much the same that i wouldn't take much notice of willie boland, at 30 odd years of age playing at cardiff, sitting on the bench. there not idiotic comments, there opinions

What a hypocritical comment seeing as you are cheerleading the cause of a man one year younger than that who is playing at a lower level

[Roverstillidie]

LOL i have no problem with ireland having a league and i don't dislike it, its just a poor poor league. to sum up your comments, i was going to ignore the fact that :

to answer all of your posts in one fact. Ireland never qualified for a world cup UNTIL the Jack Charlton reign.
i think that answers everything

no-one is saying the EL is Serie A or that you are under any obligation to like it, but if you are going to ignore it, dont make inane comments that there have only been 40 footballers produced by the league ever, its incorrect and patronising.

Again, Keane, Giles, McGrath, Beglin, O'Brien, Fleming etc as well as Doyle and Murphy this season have all played in the LOI. Now we see solid players like Fenn, O'Callaghan, O'Flynn, Moore, Gavin, Webb, Crowe etc playing in the EL over mid-division English ball. Dont be so dismissive of an improving product because you are ignorant of it.

[livehead1]

no-one is saying the EL is Serie A or that you are under any obligation to like it, but if you are going to ignore it, dont make inane comments that there have only been 40 footballers produced by the league ever, its incorrect and patronising.

Again, Keane, Giles, McGrath, Beglin, O'Brien, Fleming etc as well as Doyle and Murphy this season have all played in the LOI. Now we see solid players like Fenn, O'Callaghan, O'Flynn, Moore, Gavin, Webb, Crowe etc playing in the EL over mid-division English ball. Dont be so dismissive of an improving product because you are ignorant of it.

look at o'callaghan...rejected at port vale. liam kearney....rejected at forest . crowe....rejected at wolves... Fenn was spurs was it? they werent good enough then and there not good enough now. they might look good in the EL but they will never be up to international standard. O'Flynn may be the one exception

[livehead1]

What a hypocritical comment seeing as you are cheerleading the cause of a man one year younger than that who is playing at a lower level
hold on....Trundle is playing. he also happens to be the top goalscorer in the league and already has two player of the month trophies. also, hes constantly been linked with the premiership, and he is ACTUALLY PLAYING. there is a world of difference between the two

[colster]

no-one is saying the EL is Serie A or that you are under any obligation to like it, but if you are going to ignore it, dont make inane comments that there have only been 40 footballers produced by the league ever, its incorrect and patronising.

Again, Keane, Giles, McGrath, Beglin, O'Brien, Fleming etc as well as Doyle and Murphy this season have all played in the LOI. Now we see solid players like Fenn, O'Callaghan, O'Flynn, Moore, Gavin, Webb, Crowe etc playing in the EL over mid-division English ball. Dont be so dismissive of an improving product because you are ignorant of it.

Rovers I can understand where you're coming from. Most people who slag off the EL are the same ones who pay their Sky Sports subscriptions and travel to England every weekend. If they used some of that money to go and watch some EL games the EL would be in a lot better condition.
What are the main reasons that people don't go to the EL? Standard of Football, Standard of Stadia + pitches, atmostpehere. All of which could be improved if people got up off their backsides and went to some of the games.
If we want Ireland to make a mark at the top level of the game then we have to start supporting the game here.
I'm partly guilty of this myself. I've only gone to a few EL games(a long time ago). I want to support an EL team yet I've no natural affinity with any of them at the moment.

[livehead1]

Livehead, I see where you are coming from and that it can be annoying when a hardcore EL fan ridicules you, as an Irish person, for not having a deep knowledge and passion for the EL. I've read and agreed with a lot of your other posts. I don't know your background (when you left sligo, where you are now, how long you have been there, how old you are) but even me, someone who left Ireland about 8 years ago, can see that the quote above is totally ridiculous. Do you not know that Ireland has made tremendous progress in the last 10 years and is at the moment the 2nd richest country (per capita) in Europe?
http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2005/06/ireland_the_sec.html

In other words to spend 20 pounds (30 euro) a week on a hobby would be peanuts for your average rural or urban Irish person.
In fact the Germans would find it more difficult at the moment to pay such a price for 2 hrs entertainment. BTW I was at the FrankenStadion in Nürnberg a few weeks ago and the ticket prices for a Bundesliga game start at about 13 Euros!


i think that maybe my point has been misinterpreted slightly. although it may be only 20 a person. how much for a family ? much more. i know of people, and this is a regional problem and not a national problem, in certain areas of the country who simply could not afford to bring a family to a game every week. they can hardly afford to keep that cat from the door. i dont know all the figures but with farming being a staple industry in ireland (this been proven by there opinion on the potential new EU farming subsidies) they are not going to be as well off as a research and development country. this may change but surely people can see that the people would not pay the money that would be required to attract more interest and quality to the game.

[livehead1]

Rovers I can understand where you're coming from. Most people who slag off the EL are the same ones who pay their Sky Sports subscriptions and travel to England every weekend. If they used some of that money to go and watch some EL games the EL would be in a lot better condition.
What are the main reasons that people don't go to the EL? Standard of Football, Standard of Stadia + pitches, atmostpehere. All of which could be improved if people got up off their backsides and went to some of the games.
If we want Ireland to make a mark at the top level of the game then we have to start supporting the game here.
I'm partly guilty of this myself. I've only gone to a few EL games(a long time ago). I want to support an EL team yet I've no natural affinity with any of them at the moment.
surely the clubs are to blame for this lack of affinity as well, also the media

[klein4]

i think that maybe my point has been misinterpreted slightly. although it may be only 20 a person. how much for a family ? much more. i know of people, and this is a regional problem and not a national problem, in certain areas of the country who simply could not afford to bring a family to a game every week. they can hardly afford to keep that cat from the door. i dont know all the figures but with farming being a staple industry in ireland (this been proven by there opinion on the potential new EU farming subsidies) they are not going to be as well off as a research and development country. this may change but surely people can see that the people would not pay the money that would be required to attract more interest and quality to the game.

yes. living in 1950's Ireland can be tough. But we manage...

[colster]

surely the clubs are to blame for this lack of affinity as well, also the media

I get your point. Yet why do some many people support English football clubs. I think it's because of TV and media coverage + the number of Irish internationals playing there.
I think the FAI have a lot to answer for. Football is probably the most popular sport in Ireland and yet we still have very few going to EL games.

[OwlsFan]

I think the FAI have a lot to answer for. Football is probably the most popular sport in Ireland and yet we still have very few going to EL games.

And the IFA up north and the WFA in Wales ? Soccer in Ireland could never compete with the GAA and with our best players going to the England to play in a bigger and more affluent league, the local game never had a chance no matter what the FAI (i.e. Irish soccer people) could do.

Playing a game and getting off your backside away from Skysports to watch a game are two totally different things. Look at soccer in the USA - played by the masses but totally dominated from a spectator point of view by baseball, american football etc. Blame the USAFA that's what I say.

[Block G Raptor]

Has been good for wigan but he is NOT international standard

[gustavo]

F*ck off you *****, if you took any interest in sligo minor gaelic football u would see i have even REPRESENTED you , HA HA!


i really shouldnt reply to such a cretinous comment but ill humour you ,
lets just imagine i was a great fan of Sligo Minors , how would i have worked out that you had "represented me" from the name livehead1

[livehead1]

i really shouldnt reply to such a cretinous comment but ill humour you ,
lets just imagine i was a great fan of Sligo Minors , how would i have worked out that you had "represented me" from the name livehead1

ahh well

[colster]

And the IFA up north and the WFA in Wales ? Soccer in Ireland could never compete with the GAA and with our best players going to the England to play in a bigger and more affluent league, the local game never had a chance no matter what the FAI (i.e. Irish soccer people) could do.

Playing a game and getting off your backside away from Skysports to watch a game are two totally different things. Look at soccer in the USA - played by the masses but totally dominated from a spectator point of view by baseball, american football etc. Blame the USAFA that's what I say.

I still think there is more that could be done. The marketing and organisation of the game here is terrible.

[geysir]

so you are going to ignore the fact that until charlton the majority of the Irish team was domestically based? and most of the best ever Irish players had a connection to the LOI? you could argue that the team only improved because JC trawled the English game for potential players, but these are facts.
Again I wonder at your understanding of the word 'fact'
Have a look at the Irish teams under Touhy and Giles and Hand. In 1972 Touhy was frustrated at the refusal/reluctance of English clubs to release players. After we lost to Russia 1972 he went around the clubs in England to strike up a rapport and got our players released for the French game that followed. We won that and if we had Giles for that Russian game then Touhy I believe would have been the first manager to get Ireland to a Finals. The Irish team had at least one LOI player, Tommy Mc Conville, in the French game
As for Kavanagh, I had heard of him by reputation but I had barely seen more than a few minutes of him play at English 2nd or 3rd level. I only took notice of him when he played in a green shirt.
You are using the slightest innuendo to drag down a thread discussion to the level of mudslinging.

[klein4]

And the IFA up north and the WFA in Wales ? Soccer in Ireland could never compete with the GAA and with our best players going to the England to play in a bigger and more affluent league, the local game never had a chance no matter what the FAI (i.e. Irish soccer people) could do.

Playing a game and getting off your backside away from Skysports to watch a game are two totally different things. Look at soccer in the USA - played by the masses but totally dominated from a spectator point of view by baseball, american football etc. Blame the USAFA that's what I say.

Of course the FAI are to blame for the state of football in this country.
They are supposed to be the ones administrating it. So I dont think it is unreasonable to land some of the blame as to where the game is at in Ireland at the doors of Merrion Square. No power without responsibility. is there any other country in the world that sends so many kids to another country to become footballers?? why is that an acceptable situation to some people???? why have the FAI not built a bloody stadium to play in yet?????

[DannyInvincible]

Turns out Aaron Ramsey's footballing hero growing up was none other than Kavanelli: http://balls.ie/football/will-never-guess-aaron-ramseys-sporting-hero/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0C1so5ddsMs

[tricky_colour]

Well well well, who would have thunked it?

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Sacked.

[OwlsFan]

On the cards alas following some poor results.

[Irish_Praha]

Wow I know he was only a senior international for something like 2 qualifying campaigns but I'm surprised he only has 4 pages.
There must be another thread?

[DannyInvincible]

He's got at least three other threads:

http://foot.ie/threads/7807-Graham-Kavanagh
http://foot.ie/threads/47681-Graham-Kavanagh
http://foot.ie/threads/30623-Graham-Kavanagh

Although there wasn't a huge deal of discussion in those ones either.

[Kingdom]

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In my view Glenn Whelan is the heir apparent to Kavanagh but Kavanagh should have his position in the team almost uncontested in the next 12 months.



always the visionary Stutts.

[BonnieShels]

He's got at least three other threads:

http://foot.ie/threads/7807-Graham-Kavanagh
http://foot.ie/threads/47681-Graham-Kavanagh
http://foot.ie/threads/30623-Graham-Kavanagh

Although there wasn't a huge deal of discussion in those ones either.

Columbo struck again it seems.
Tets, mergey mergey!

[tetsujin1979]

Columbo struck again it seems.
Tets, mergey mergey!
no real point, is there? those other threads have been dead for years. Going to leave this as the official Graham Kavanagh thread.

[BonnieShels]

no real point, is there? those other threads have been dead for years. Going to leave this as the official Graham Kavanagh thread.

I wasn't being serious, you might call it a wangball. Danny has been on this rampage of late.

[DeLorean]

A wangball? I like it... that could definitely catch on. "Ah calm down, I was only throwing an aul wangball"

[Wangball]

A wangball? I like it... that could definitely catch on. "Ah calm down, I was only throwing an aul wangball"

I endorse this

[tetsujin1979]

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